# debt amounts and other stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680 "2013-03-22T17:50:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/121 "2013-03-22T22:24:28Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Good job. > > Now go take care of the copy wights. Those are mean little buggers. like a good little liberal, chopped, mid steam, just like the national medial, you should work for CNN. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/122 "2013-03-22T22:26:27Z")
Have a wonderful evening. Enjoy and happy sequestration to you. But look on the bright side, all of obamas pet projects are protected, just cut the military, we dont need them anyway right? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/123 "2013-03-22T22:28:03Z")
Hey, ubyy, what are your thoughts on fluoridation? ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/124 "2013-03-22T22:32:17Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I love the convenience of someone discrediting a whole lot of crappy positions at once simply by advocating for all of them. Duane Gish, inventor of the Gish Gallop, died a couple weeks ago. I’m reading this thread as an homage. It’s funnier that way. ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/125 "2013-03-22T22:32:55Z")
We can be conservative and still know that you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/126 "2013-03-22T22:51:37Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/57): > > The downrating was because a large chunk of the legislature was insisting that the nation had a moral imperative, overriding all other priorities, to refuse to pay the debts that we owed. I’d be leery about lending money to someone who insisted something that irrational, too. The rating agencies don’t care how much money we borrow; they just care that we’ll pay it back. You wouldn’t be leery about lending money to someone that must borrow money from others in order to pay you? You and S and P have a different opinion on what the downgrade was about. You know that right? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/127 "2013-03-22T23:25:20Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > actually fundamentalists are fundamentalists becasue they dont take them out of context thus the fundamentals, hello. You said “You can pull verses out of context to try to get them to say whatever you want” To which I replied “That is what fundamentalists do”…which they do. They cherry pick verses from the Bible to suit their purpose(s) _du jour_. So now you are saying that fundamentalists are what they are because they are literalists? Why, yes they are…but they also pick and choose which verses support their “arguments”, much as you have done. So…yeah. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/128 "2013-03-22T23:29:31Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/34): > > Wait, what? > > Didn’t Clinton leave us with a surplus…? No, Clinton and his republican controlled house and senate, balanced the budget for two years, then came two wars, then came a ton of social spending and Obama care ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/129 "2013-03-22T23:31:28Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/53): > > Who cares how much the deficit is? obviously not liberals, you should. We spend 7% of our annual budget on the interest on the national debt so this social spending is going to land us in the same boat as Greece. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/130 "2013-03-22T23:37:17Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/58): > > My opinion has always been that there’s ample blame to spread around that entire fraternity of imbeciles in Washington, both sides of the aisle. The Republicans of recent vintage only know how to talk about fiscal responsibility. As a practical matter, they haven’t yet been formally introduced. I give the Dems credit for at least doing what they said they’d do. However much I disagree with them, at least it isn’t a stealth strategy. But both have their own idiotic pain-free solutions to the debt problem, and neither seem to be able to restrain themselves from spending more dough in the meantime, all the while shouting at each other in their dysfunctional debating society in D.C. over how evil the other guys are. the problem is the sequester has blocked access to the wasteful spending that needs to be addressed, such as the social spending and leave only the military and one other area to draw the 85 billion from, that is not where the majority of the money went over the last four years. Senator Coburn has found 364.5 billion in duplicate spending but the liberals refuse to budge on those areas. So we fund site seeing of wineries and the like, while asking military to cut 20+% of their income, and we can send money overseas to other nations, and do research on Duck reproduction, important things like that. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/131 "2013-03-22T23:39:37Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/56): > > In a nutshell, Obama chose/sided/agreed with/liked/decided to go with Summers instead of Volcker. > > [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-06/volcker-sidelined-as-obama-reshapes-economic-panel-for-business-outreach.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-06/volcker-sidelined-as-obama-reshapes-economic-panel-for-business-outreach.html) > > Another was that for [PERAB](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Recovery_Advisory_Board) they decided to do irrelevant things (in my opinion, of course) as per: > > /\* what I meant is tasks outlined above are not really economic policy things typically expected from the government in times of crisis I would just like to point out that when we raise expenses on business/corporations, they pass the increased expense down to the consumers. ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/132 "2013-03-22T23:41:59Z")
just a note, communists and Nazis were really good at only allowing people to hear what they want them to hear by blocking freedom of speech. Good thing that doesn’t happen here in the good ole US of A… ---
**Author:** ![ubyy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/848f3c/32.png) [@ubyy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ubyy)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/133 "2013-03-22T23:44:26Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/8): > > So, let me see if I understand, adding $6T to debt is a natural progression of things that no matter who the POTUS is would still accumulate because that’s how US rolls? Guess so, $4 trillion under Bush with 7 years of war, and another $6 trillion under President Obama in just 4 years. Not saying anything is amiss there, if I did it would be deleted anyway likely. so just sayin ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/134 "2013-03-23T00:42:12Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > Guess so, $4 trillion under Bush with 7 years of war, and another $6 trillion under President Obama in just 4 years. Not saying anything is amiss there, if I did it would be deleted anyway likely. so just sayin If we are going to blame deficits solely on presidents, Bush left Obama a trillion dollar deficit and it will drop below that this year. Bush inherited a surplus and turned it into a trillion dollar deficit. Which is worse? ---
**Author:** ![desertmonk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@desertmonk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/desertmonk)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/135 "2013-03-23T01:07:43Z")
> [@nate](#): > > If we are going to blame deficits solely on presidents, Bush left Obama a trillion dollar deficit and it will drop below that this year. Bush inherited a surplus and turned it into a trillion dollar deficit. Which is worse? The Democrat. Always :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/136 "2013-03-23T01:40:28Z")
> [@Did Obama add 6 trillion to the deficit?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/did-obama-add-6-trillion-to-the-deficit/610266/7): > > That raises another point: A lot of the spending for those wars was kept “off the books” by the Bush administration . . . How is that possible? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/137 "2013-03-23T01:43:18Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > just a note, communists and Nazis were really good at only allowing people to hear what they want them to hear by blocking freedom of speech. Good thing that doesn’t happen here in the good ole US of A… And that the Internet makes it just about impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/138 "2013-03-23T02:36:05Z")
> [@ubyy](#): > > I would just like to point out that when we raise expenses on business/corporations, they pass the increased expense down to the consumers. And yet when we cut taxes for businesses and corporations, they don’t hire more people, nor do they pay more in dividends, but instead funnel much of the money into big bonuses for their corporate officers. More golf tournaments. So, since that’s the way they’re gonna behave, I prefer taxing them. At least we get some use out of the money. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/139 "2013-03-23T04:15:00Z")
March 2013 Troll Us=food. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680/140 "2013-03-23T04:18:07Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > You wouldn’t be leery about lending money to someone that must borrow money from others in order to pay you? You and S and P have a different opinion on what the downgrade was about. You know that right? Nonsense. The debt has been revolving for decades. The only new thing is that the Republicans deliberately attempted to harm the full faith and credit of the united states to score political concessions. They were willing to fuck up the world economy for some political points to benefit the most privileged tiny minority in world history, and that makes the rest of the world just a bit nervous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/debt-amounts-and-other-stuff/653680.md?page=8)