# Dec. 21, 2012 is the beginning of the Age of Aquarius **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 28, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923 "2012-08-28T14:21:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/13edae/32.png) [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brad_Watson_Miami)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/1 "2012-08-28T14:21:40Z")
In _Matthew 24:3_, Jesus’(74) disciples asked him, _“What will be the sign of your return and of the closing of the age?”_ Some Bible versions wrongly use _“end of the world”_ (KJV) or _“end of time”_. It’s very important to correct some people’s wrong impression that on December 21, 2012 we will see the “end of the world” or “end of time”. **What we, in-fact, will see on 12/21/12 is the end of the _Age of Pisces_ and the beginning of the _Age of Aquarius_.** And yes, the Christ - GOD’s ‘chosen one’ - will have returned and produced the _“book/scroll”_ with the _“7 seals”_ on the cover prophesied in _The Revelation 5:1-10:10._ 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/2 "2012-08-28T14:26:19Z")
I will always wonder why people that claim to be christian follow things like astrology. On a more secular point of view, it is also unscientific. > **[The Occult—What does the Bible say about it? - ChristianAnswers.Net](https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-occult.html)** > > THE OCCULT - What does the Bible say about it? (astrology, divination, witchcraft, sorcery, and other occult practices) > [@](#): > > Astrology (predictions by the planets or moon; horoscopes; sometimes referred to as “observing times” in the Old Testament) > > Although the Bible does not go into great detail about astrology, it certainly makes its position clear. We should never trust in astrological beliefs or predictions. Astrology is an ancient, heathen practice that leads to disaster. Our lives are not determined by the stars or movement of planets. The Bible warns against the false predictions of astrology (Jeremiah 10:2; 27:9-10; Daniel 2:1-4; 4:7; 5:7-9) and repeatedly condemns the associated practice of worshipping the sun, moon and stars (or “deities or demons associated with them”) (Deuteronomy 4:19; 17:2-5; 2 Kings 21:3, 5; Zephaniah 1:5; Job 31:26-28; Jeremiah 8:1-2). > > In Isaiah, God sarcastically rebukes Israel for practicing astrology, > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > …For you have trusted in your wickedness… Therefore evil shall come upon you… trouble shall fall upon you… Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, And the monthly prognosticators stand up and save you from what shall come upon you. Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame… > > -Isaiah 47:10-14a > > > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/3 "2012-08-28T14:34:06Z")
> [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](#): > > In _Matthew 24:3_, Jesus’(74) disciples asked him, _“What will be the sign of your return and of the closing of the age?”_ Some Bible versions wrongly use _“end of the world”_ (KJV) or _“end of time”_. It’s very important to correct some people’s wrong impression that on December 21, 2012 we will see the “end of the world” or “end of time”. **What we, in-fact, will see on 12/21/12 is the end of the _Age of Pisces_ and the beginning of the _Age of Aquarius_.** And yes, the Christ - GOD’s ‘chosen one’ - will have returned and produced the _“book/scroll”_ with the _“7 seals”_ on the cover prophesied in _The Revelation 5:1-10:10._ 🆒 A word, please? The different sized fonts and the various colors aren’t really helping you here. Conversing with others on the message board is not the same as standing on a street corner holding a large cardboard sign. Nobody here is attracted by or impressed by how a post looks-they are impressed by what a post _says_. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/4 "2012-08-28T14:53:42Z")
If the song lyrics are true, I’m all for it. ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/13edae/32.png) [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brad_Watson_Miami)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/5 "2012-08-28T14:58:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I will always wonder why people that claim to be christian follow things like astrology. On a more secular point of view, it is also unscientific. GIGObuster, Hey! What does that screen name mean? I AM more than a Christian, **I AM Omni-religious and a scientist** who has discovered at least 7 paradigm-shifting ‘beyond Einstein theories’. I presented a one-page-paper/poster at the NASA Conference Missions for Exoplanets 2010-2020 in Pasadena, CA April 21-23, 2009 [http://exep.jpl.nasa.gov/exep\_exoMtgPosters.cfm](http://exep.jpl.nasa.gov/exep_exoMtgPosters.cfm) You don’t deny that on the winter solstice of this year that a major cosmic alignment is going to happen that only happens every 26,000 years? Do you believe in randomness and ‘coincidences’? Are you an atheist? Do you know anything about science? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/6 "2012-08-28T15:01:01Z")
What’s with the influx of barely coherent, TimeCube-styled gibberish lately? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/7 "2012-08-28T15:05:29Z")
For a self-proclaimed scientist, the OP’s postings don’t seem real scient so far. I’ve got to get back to the lab and figure some stuff out. Later! ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/8 "2012-08-28T15:08:30Z")
What’s this have to do with 74??? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/9 "2012-08-28T15:25:29Z")
Dial back the font. As for the “alignment”, it’s called Precession and it’s no great mystery or cosmic event. Every day’s “alignment” happens only once every 26,000 years. Only, the stars move in the mean time, so it’s never exactly the same twice. “Earth goes through one such complete precessional cycle in a period of approximately 26,000 years or 1° every 72 years, during which the positions of stars will slowly change in both equatorial coordinates and ecliptic longitude. Over this cycle, Earth’s north axial pole moves from where it is now, within 1° of Polaris, in a circle around the ecliptic pole, with an angular radius of about 23.5 degrees.” “The precession of Earth’s axis was later explained by Newtonian physics. Being an oblate spheroid, the Earth has a nonspherical shape, bulging outward at the equator. The gravitational tidal forces of the Moon and Sun apply torque to the equator, attempting to pull the equatorial bulge into the plane of the ecliptic, but instead causing it to precess.” ---
**Author:** ![PacifistPorcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PacifistPorcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PacifistPorcupine)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/10 "2012-08-28T15:25:42Z")
> [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](#): > > And yes, the Christ - GOD’s ‘chosen one’ - will have returned and produced the _“book/scroll”_ with the _“7 seals”_ on the cover prophesied in _The Revelation 5:1-10:10._ 🆒 What exactly should I expect to see on the news on Dec. 22, 2012 to demonstrate that this indeed happened? ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/11 "2012-08-28T15:25:50Z")
At least it’s not the age of the [Aerostar](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W1T7pwb9U8) all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/12 "2012-08-28T15:33:56Z")
You should keep better count of your paradigm-shifting “beyond Einstein theory” discoveries. “At least 7” is frustratingly vague. ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/13edae/32.png) [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brad_Watson_Miami)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/13 "2012-08-28T15:34:22Z")
Czarcasm, Do you have anything to say about the material in the post? I use size 4 of 7 font - it’s a code and I AM far-sighted. I also take advantage of the other features of this forum. **If you don’t like my style of writing, then don’t read it and don’t waste everyone’s times with your complaints about fonts, sizes, colors, smiles, etc.** If you don’t like that this forum offers these writing features, take your complaint to the administrator. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/14 "2012-08-28T15:37:48Z")
You mean the HAIR lyrics were off by 45 years? Or is 45 years just a long dawning? ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/13edae/32.png) [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brad_Watson_Miami)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/15 "2012-08-28T15:38:04Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > If the song lyrics are true, I’m all for it. Blonde Bear, I AM a _composer_(74=C3+O+M13+P16+O+S19+E5+R18). The lyrics to the songs(74) are true and the melody(74) has beauty(74). 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/16 "2012-08-28T15:42:40Z")
> [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](#): > > GIGObuster, > > Hey! What does that screen name mean? I bust the ones that just plug garbage into good algorithms. And [Busting Makes me feel good!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters)🙂 > [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](#): > > I AM more than a Christian, **I AM Omni-religious and a scientist** who has discovered at least 7 paradigm-shifting ‘beyond Einstein theories’. I presented a one-page-paper/poster at the NASA Conference Missions for Exoplanets 2010-2020 in Pasadena, CA April 21-23, 2009 [http://exep.jpl.nasa.gov/exep\_exoMtgPosters.cfm](http://exep.jpl.nasa.gov/exep_exoMtgPosters.cfm) > > You don’t deny that on the winter solstice of this year that a major cosmic alignment is going to happen that only happens every 26,000 years? Do you believe in randomness and ‘coincidences’? Are you an atheist? Do you know anything about science? ☹ Don’t think for a second that we do notice how you are avoiding the point, Astrology \*\*is \*\*contradictory to Judeo-Christian principles. ---
**Author:** ![Wulabo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Wulabo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wulabo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/17 "2012-08-28T15:43:34Z")
Astrology is a tricky one. Yes, there is a great deal of what you can call ‘hokum’ surrounding it, but one should be careful against throwing the baby out with the bath water. The daily write ups in the paper? Rubbish of course. But to say that human beings aren’t affected by the movements and changes in the universe around us goes too far in my opinion. Take the moon for instance, which figures into astrology. The moon clearly influences life on earth to an enormous degree. From control of the tides (and keep in mind we humans are 65% water) to changes in animal behavior (and yes we are animals as well). Then there is the Sun. It cycles through magnetic radiation patterns since its surface is molten and it’s poles rotate faster than it’s equator. The impact of this radiation can be seen in the northern lights and we know that radiation can have dramatic effects on a developing fetus. What’s your sign? Is there something to it…perhaps. So, if we agree that there is some scientific evidence for the sun and moon then could the gravity of nearby planets have an influence as well? What about distant stars? Their effects would be far less than our sun’s but could possibly have some influence. As someone noted above, the signs of the zodiac relate to the precession of the equinoxes. We know now that it is a result of the earth’s tilted axis, but really the twelve constellations were just markers in the sky chosen by ancients to describe the phenomena they observed but didn’t fully understand. It’s the earliest method of keeping time (or is it just coincidence that your watch has twelve points arranged in a circle?). So, to sum up, while Astrologists and daily columns are BS the ancient pseudo science of astrology is based on observation, and careful observation at that. In many ways it was the forerunner of science and it should be tested not tossed out. ---
**Author:** ![PacifistPorcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PacifistPorcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PacifistPorcupine)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/18 "2012-08-28T15:45:19Z")
> [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](#): > > Blonde Bear, > > I AM a _composer_(74=C3+O+M13+P16+O+S19+E5+R18). The lyrics to the songs(74) are true and the melody(74) has beauty(74). 😉 composer: C3+O+M13+P16+O+S19+E5+R18 = 74 songs: S19+O+N14+G7+S19 = 59. Where are you getting 74 for songs from? Or is the O worth 15 when it is convenient? ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/19 "2012-08-28T15:47:03Z")
> [@Brad\_Watson\_Miami](#): > > In _Matthew 24:3_, Jesus’(74) disciples asked him, _“What will be the sign of your return and of the closing of the age?”_ Some Bible versions wrongly use _“end of the world”_ (KJV) or _“end of time”_. It’s very important to correct some people’s wrong impression that on December 21, 2012 we will see the “end of the world” or “end of time”. **What we, in-fact, will see on 12/21/12 is the end of the _Age of Pisces_ and the beginning of the _Age of Aquarius_.** And yes, the Christ - GOD’s ‘chosen one’ - will have returned and produced the _“book/scroll”_ with the _“7 seals”_ on the cover prophesied in _The Revelation 5:1-10:10.._ 🆒 Do you still claim to be the author of the “book/scroll” from Revelation 5:1-10:10? If so, can we read the book/scroll now, or do we need to wait? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923/20 "2012-08-28T15:50:28Z")
> [@Wulabo](#): > > Astrology is a tricky one. Yes, there is a great deal of what you can call ‘hokum’ surrounding it, but one should be careful against throwing the baby out with the bath water. The daily write ups in the paper? Rubbish of course. But to say that human beings aren’t affected by the movements and changes in the universe around us goes too far in my opinion. > > Take the moon for instance, which figures into astrology. The moon clearly influences life on earth to an enormous degree. From control of the tides (and keep in mind we humans are 65% water) to changes in animal behavior (and yes we are animals as well). Then there is the Sun. It cycles through magnetic radiation patterns since its surface is molten and it’s poles rotate faster than it’s equator. The impact of this radiation can be seen in the northern lights and we know that radiation can have dramatic effects on a developing fetus. What’s your sign? Is there something to it…perhaps. So, if we agree that there is some scientific evidence for the sun and moon then could the gravity of nearby planets have an influence as well? What about distant stars? Their effects would be far less than our sun’s but could possibly have some influence. > > As someone noted above, the signs of the zodiac relate to the precession of the equinoxes. We know now that it is a result of the earth’s tilted axis, but really the twelve constellations were just markers in the sky chosen by ancients to describe the phenomena they observed but didn’t fully understand. It’s the earliest method of keeping time (or is it just coincidence that your watch has twelve points arranged in a circle?). So, to sum up, while Astrologists and daily columns are BS the ancient pseudo science of astrology is based on observation, and careful observation at that. In many ways it was the forerunner of science and it should be tested not tossed out. Could you please repost this in a separate thread? I think it would be a great topic on its own. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dec-21-2012-is-the-beginning-of-the-age-of-aquarius/632923.md?page=2)