# December banning **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 29, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415 "2003-08-29T13:09:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/321 "2003-08-30T15:35:54Z")
That’s fine, dude. I don’t care whether you agree with my assessment of your position the least bit. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/322 "2003-08-30T15:38:20Z")
Gee, folks. Whatever happened to “Ignore User”? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/323 "2003-08-30T15:40:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spoke- \* > **december** would regurgitate the Republican party line here, where it could be publicly dissected by the thoughtful posters of the Straight Dope. That was a good thing, IMO. \*\* Somehow or other, I feel confident that that role will continue to be filled. But, perhaps, with him gone, \*thoughtful and principled \*conservatives will feel safer about participating in GD, free of the fear of being lumped in with him in debates, or of him simply making them all look bad. I do suspect that had been going on, and it certainly did make GD a poorer place. It isn’t that those POV’s had been missing entirely, though. Now, **Sam** , how much longer are you going to continue whining about this imaginary you-all-just-hate-conservatives stuff, and when if ever do you plan to start shaping up your own mastery of facts and reasoning? It should be clear by now, from the number of posters in this thread alone, that you have a fairly widespread reputation, both integritywise and maturitywise, that is not all that different from the dear departed’s. We’d all be much better served if you’d show a little more respect for facts and do a little less sulking, just for starters. But it’s entirely up to you. **Weirddave** , get a friggin’ grip. You do know better. **BeatenDam** , just who the hell did you say you were, able to make such grand and sweeping pronouncements after 3 entire posts? It’s traditional to welcome new members, but perhaps we can skip that in your case. **Apos** , thanks for the props. ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/324 "2003-08-30T15:40:12Z")
I mean, as regards “flamebaiting troll” december? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/325 "2003-08-30T15:40:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*_You_ claimed to be impartial. Back it up, dickhead. What is this, some sort of fucking game? \*\* I claimed to be a moderate, and Daniel expressed doubt at that. Haven’t you even been reading the thread before commenting? ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/326 "2003-08-30T15:47:02Z")
OK, let’s try again. You claimed to be _moderate_. Back it up, dickhead. What is this, some sort of fucking game? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/327 "2003-08-30T16:12:26Z")
Oh fuck, **Desmostylus** is at it again with his gratuitous bashing of other people’s statements. Remember this? After I characterized **december** as a non religious conservative. > [@](#): > > grienspace, you come across as one one the less intellectually blessed people on this board… 1. december is quite open about his religion, it’s not a secret that december has strong religious beliefs. That you would label him as non-religious is absolutely fucking bizarre. After **december** replied to assert his atheism you still wouldn’t accept it as you countered with > [@](#): > > Show me those instances, so that I may revise my opinion of you. When **december** suggested that you try the search function you called him a weasil. After numerous posters had confirmed **december’s** atheism, the best you could do was offer a two word retraction. Did you change your opinion about **December**? I suggest that **Weirddave** just ignore your stupid post. On preview I repeat what I just said. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/328 "2003-08-30T16:23:36Z")
**Dave** , **Sam** , **Elvis** , **Jodi** , **Daniel** and everyone else involved: would you mind? Watching y’all go in circles is making me dizzy. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/329 "2003-08-30T16:28:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*When **december** suggested that you try the search function you called him a weasil. > > After numerous posters had confirmed **december’s** atheism, the best you could do was offer a two word retraction. > \*\* “I stand corrected” is three words, not two. There’s no such word as “weasil”. I’m guessing you mean “weasel”. And it still seems to me that you are one of the less intellectually blessed people on this board. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/330 "2003-08-30T16:31:59Z")
Answer my question dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/331 "2003-08-30T16:32:57Z")
Jeff, the price of fighting particularly-obstinate ignorance is often repetition. Yes, it gets tiresome for everyone involved, but you’re under no obligation to read it yourself. I have this mental picture of Dex as Judge Smails in _Caddyshack_, talking to december: “I’ve sent boys younger than you to the electric chair! Didn’t _want_ to do it. Felt I … _owed_ it to them.” ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/332 "2003-08-30T16:43:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*Answer my question dickhead. \*\* What exactly is your question? If it’s the “Did you change your opinion about December?”, you’ve already noted that I posted a retraction, even though you couldn’t count the number of words in it. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/333 "2003-08-30T16:51:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenDam \* > \*\*I have seen many conservitive members get banned. At the straight dope you are at the mercy of the left of Stalin moderators. Anything right of total left wingers dissapear like they did in the solviet union. Let’s rename it the good commie liberal agreement board. \*\* Who are these conservative members? Give specific examples. Anyone banned for blatant rule violations does not count. Neither do all those multi-thousand post conservatives here in this very fucking thread. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/334 "2003-08-30T16:53:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\ ***Dave** , **Sam** , **Elvis** , **Jodi** , **Daniel** and everyone else involved: would you mind? Watching y’all go in circles is making me dizzy. \*\* Whal, now, that thar’s a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/335 "2003-08-30T17:26:42Z")
> [@](#): > > It should be clear by now, from the number of posters in this thread alone, that you have a fairly widespread reputation, both integritywise and maturitywise, that is not all that different from the dear departed’s. Ooh… Does that mean I can look forward to a banning as well? After all, you have to ‘fight ignorance’. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/336 "2003-08-30T17:36:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \* > **Jeff, the price of fighting particularly-obstinate ignorance is often repetition. Yes, it gets tiresome for everyone involved, but you’re under no obligation to read it yourself.** Okay. How about I put it another way: would it be possible for y’all to agree to disagree so everyone can move on? Just thought I’d ask. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/337 "2003-08-30T17:43:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, I am flat out calling Dex a liar for saying that december was banned for trolling. Well, that’s that then isn’t. Seems no point in continuing the conversation, since your position is clear. And you want to know the funny thing? The thing that _really_ pisses me off is losing all respect for someone I heretofore held in high regard. I fucking hate being so disappointed, and it pisses me off that I even care. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/338 "2003-08-30T17:44:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*What exactly is your question? If it’s the “Did you change your opinion about December?”, you’ve already noted that I posted a retraction, even though you couldn’t count the number of words in it. \*\* Quit weasiling douchebag. Is your revised opinion more or less favourable regarding **december** now that you realize that you were dead wrong about your accusations of his religious beliefs, “bizarre” at that may be to you? And congratulations and your arithmetic. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/339 "2003-08-30T17:48:30Z")
**Jodi** in all fairness that statement was retracted in tone at least several posts ago. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/340 "2003-08-30T18:03:44Z")
I’m not really happy about **december** being banned, although i certainly won’t miss him. While i think that some of his threads came damn close to trolling, and that his mangled Clinton/Bush quote thread certainly deserved the warning that he received for it, i dont really think that he deserved to be banned, especially if the Bali post was the straw (man) that broke the camel’s back. I believe that **december** truly believed what he said in that post. Although i should say that **december** ’s OP in that thread was far less innocent than **weirddave** and some others suggest. Moreover, when it was pointed out that the chronology of events not only made **december** ’s accusations offensive, but also completely incorrect, **december** and his defenders tried to defend this by arguing that the whole thread was really about the bigger issue of protests and their consequences. While this was true to a limited extent, the fact remains that **december** ’s OP focused on that very specific claim by a very specific terrorist regarding a very specific instance. His whole argument was predicated on the correctness of his initial claim, and when was found to be bullshit, it becamse rather disingenuous to then imply that the initial claim was not important. Still, even though i disagreed with just about everything he wrote, found him offensive (despite his politeness), and think that he came very close to breaking the rule against “being a jerk” on many occasions, i’m still not particularly happy that he was banned. But, that said, i would like to add one final request. Would the conservative posters (and some of the “moderates”) on this board please post your collar sizes and sleeve lengths so that we can have your hair-shirts made up for you? Seriously, the whole conservative martyr tone that this thread has taken is pretty pathetic. If it’s so bad around here, why don’t you all leave? At least then, with the conservatives gone, your mindless accusations about liberal hegemony might bear the faintest resemblance to the truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=18)