# December banning **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 29, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415 "2003-08-29T13:09:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Tusculan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecd19e/32.png) [@Tusculan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tusculan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/401 "2003-08-30T22:23:23Z")
Oooh, could we have the ‘Member’ designation changed to ‘december’? I think there are a few posters in this thread who have put in an implicit nomination, but frankly I think they are too coherent. There is a newbie around (registered this month) who shows promise in putting in hit-and-run conservative posts, but I’ve momentarily forgotten his name. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/402 "2003-08-30T22:29:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m generally in agreement with you on most issues, but your stand on socialized medicine, the hallmark of social liberalism smacks as ultra right wing, particularly from a Canadian perspective. It is ironic that in this thread we have december advocating for a British style socialized health care system while you criticize Canada’s socialized system which Canadians (including many conservatives) would never give up. I meant ‘social liberal’ in a classical sense - not in the sense of supporting a panoply of liberal social programs. I’m a live-and-let-live kind of guy. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/403 "2003-08-30T23:10:03Z")
Good Lord, people! The Admin has told you why our friend as been relieved of duty on these boards. Don’t you believe it? For better or worse he is gone. In the words of the song, it may be for a little while or it may be forever, but in any event he is gone and no amount of breast beating and tooth gnashing will fix that. Give it a rest, already. While this thread may give the perennial malcontents and the professional underdogs a place to unload their burden of rage it is taking up a lot of good band width for no good reason. As far as my personal views are concerned I wish our departed friend all the best. We will however manage to struggle along without him. I am confident that there are any number of apprentice horses asses around here who can assume the mantel of provocateur-in-chief. To coin a phrase, “Bring it on.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/404 "2003-08-30T23:13:58Z")
Hmm, is that the first “give it a rest” whine of the thread? Aah, To everthing turn, turn, turn… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/405 "2003-08-30T23:24:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*Well seems to me **ElvisL1ves** > that you haven’t digested one thing that **Sam Stone** has said here or that it has made any impact on you. I can’t understand how you could possibly dispute **Sam’s** view of this message board wrt to the different treatment towards those who are vocal about conservative views. I’m not conservative, and its as clear as crystal to me. \*\* Then you ought to be able to help him find some examples. He’s been asked several times, but has decided to do his usual duck-and-whine routine instead. Speaking of which, Sam, I did not say you are as bad as december. Please reread before you make a further ass of yourself. Your “debate” style, only loosely grounded in fact at the best of times, is certainly reminiscent of his, as is the constant high power setting on your partisan polarizing glasses (very odd indeed for one of your nationality - note to BeatenDam: Ask him what he is). But you do not troll, and you do not repeat asinine lies after the facts have been rubbed in your face to the point where you can’t avoid them any longer. That’s pretty faint praise, but it’s why he’s gone and you’re still here damning reality for failing to match your ideologies. **Jeff** , if you’ll let us know where you are, we can call the police for you. About that guy holding the gun to your head forcing you to read this thread, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/406 "2003-08-30T23:27:35Z")
Has this thread broken some kind of record for rapid posts? I first noticed it on it’s day-one, it already had several pages! ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/407 "2003-08-30T23:33:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*_(_ = And yes, **Weirddave,** that means you too. Just because you say you’re a moderate doesn’t make you one. 😉 ) \*\* Whatever you may deem my political stance to be[sup]\*[/sup], if I do not view myself as a conservative, why would I be whining about conservatives being persecuted? - Seriously other then the Iraq war, what have I posted that’s so conservative? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/408 "2003-08-30T23:37:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \* > \*\*_Jeff_, if you’ll let us know where you are, we can call the police for you. About that guy holding the gun to your head forcing you to read this thread, that is. \*\* If you want to continue the exercise in futility, that’s your perogative. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/409 "2003-08-30T23:41:40Z")
This post should make the number of replies in this thread equal or greater than 407, which happens to be the number of replies to the major response to **collounsbury’s** banning back in December. That thread took over 8 months to complete. Sort of curious if any other banning got such a swift and huge response as **decembers**. What a reward for a convicted troll. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/410 "2003-08-30T23:45:03Z")
Just to perhaps end it: [**Weirddave** on abortion,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3891998#post3891998) [on international law,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3276811#post3276811) [on universal health coverage,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3521438#post3521438) [and gays as sinners.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2837095#post2837095) I’m think fiscal conservative, social middleish. Don’t seem to be no neo-con to me. You do seem to rant at “lefty” more than “righty”, imho. Can someone point me to the thread where **december** admitted to being “addicted” to GD? ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/411 "2003-08-30T23:51:03Z")
From [why is this site so addictive?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=109494&highlight=addict): > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*Great topic! > > The ones who know how to stop are no longer here to tell us how they did it.😛 > > I confess to being an addict. My excuses are > > – My job is boring (actuary) > – I want to retire anyway. > > Both excuses are bogus, of course. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/412 "2003-08-30T23:57:48Z")
I don’t believe I ever read a word of **december** ’s with which I agreed, but in my experience (which is somewhat limited - I can’t claim to have read anything close to all of his posts) **december** believed what he was saying. Sometimes he struck me as highly disingenuous, but then, most conservatives do strike me as such from time to time, and I’m sure I strike conservatives the same way. It’s just so hard to believe that someone could sincerely disagree with what seems so patently obvious to oneself! I don’t think he did anything wrong in his _President_ post; he mislead precisely to demonstrate a point, whether or not we feel that it established that point or not. If he dropped points and moved on rather than humbly admitting that he’d been wrong, well, that seems to be a fairly common debating strategy, isn’t it? And, sorry, but it _does_ make a difference, at least to me, that he was pretty unfailingly polite, even courtly at times, despite being quite viciously insulted by people with whose viewpoints I am in far more agreement. Furthermore, I found him quite handy. If, as is often the case, I didn’t have enough actual information to know how I felt about a given political situation, I had only to seek out his opinion and _voila!_ I had a stopgap viewpoint (the opposite of his) until I got more information. This could be quite a timesaver. 😃 **december** , as I told you once privately, you were a gent, and this liberal will miss you! I hope you read this and know that I think fondly of you. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/413 "2003-08-31T00:12:05Z")
In GD: [I’m december – and I am a Dopaholic](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177509) Closed by Gaudere, with this comment: > [@](#): > > [Moderator Hat ON] > > Don’t deliberately post in the wrong forum; it makes more work for us. Dopers who make us work harder by ignoring the rules they understand perfectly well can have their addiction forcefully “cured”, ifyaknowwhatImean. > > [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/414 "2003-08-31T00:14:05Z")
Interesting, **Squink**. He was warned about misplacing threads in the Pit, too. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/415 "2003-08-31T00:34:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*_My_ thesis? Aw Goddam Contrary, its _your_ thesis, that there is a distinct leftward tilt to the SDMB. I merely batted my innocent brown eyes and said “Gosh, Unca Sam, how did it get that way?” > > So, how did it get that way, **Sam**? \*\* This board dedicated to fighting ignorance has a lot of lefties for the same reason a garage dedicated to fixing cars has a lot of broken ones. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/416 "2003-08-31T00:35:36Z")
Thanks, **leander** and **Squink**. Didn’t expect to get two different cites, heh. Maybe this thread should be full of everyones links to favourite **december** isms. He would like that and even if he was a hell-bent, partisan troll-- he was **our** HBPT. I wonder if he’s going to continue the “view from here” on a live journal somewhere? Someplace with big fields and lots of Dems to chase. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/417 "2003-08-31T00:39:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \* > \*\*You really haven’t digested a single word you’ve read here, have you? > > Time to grow the fuck up, Sammy. Even a little honest acknowledgment to yourself that you might just not be perfect would help you immensely. \*\* It didn’t help [you](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=195154) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/418 "2003-08-31T00:39:24Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by december at [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=177509](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=177509)_ > \*\*I’m december – and I am a Dopaholic > > I seem to be addicted to Straight Dope Great Debates. How can I escape? > > I recognize that asking Dopers is like asking one’s drinking buddies how to stop drinking. Those who know how to stop posting are no longer here. > > (Mods – I started this thread in GD, because that’s my addiction; feel free to move it.)\*\* It appears that stopping cold turkey has worked. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/419 "2003-08-31T00:41:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*This board dedicated to fighting ignorance has a lot of lefties for the same reason a garage dedicated to fixing cars has a lot of broken ones. \*\* Aw, jeez, did I miss a memo again? Is our motto now _“Converting lefties to the Righteous Ways of Conservatism since 1973”_? I hate it when they leave me off the mailing list. [sub]And to think the last time Cecil said anything political, it was rather… unconservative, I’d say.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/420 "2003-08-31T01:02:12Z")
**Scylla** , you might take a look in the mirror yourself, at long last. Couldn’t hurt. Might also help your own duck-and-whine problem, except with you it’s disguised as duck-and-curse. But it’s no more respectable than what december did, or what Sam still does. Still waiting for those examples, kids. Retractions will do too, of course. But I’m not holding my breath waiting for either from any of you. Anybody got an idea where the guest of honor has gone to, or how he’s managed to blame his banning on the Democrats? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=22)