# December banning **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 29, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415 "2003-08-29T13:09:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gjorp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@Gjorp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gjorp)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/41 "2003-08-29T14:04:52Z")
A few other people seem to be expressing the same views as me about the **December** banning. Basically, GD won’t seem like GD without **December**. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/42 "2003-08-29T14:05:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Polycarp \* > \*\*IANAMOA but IMO as a poster, you have no worries: you don’t troll, you state your opinions with strong feeling but respect for those who disagree with you, you don’t play annoying games contrary to the function of the forum. > > With particular and understandable exceptions, the Admins. don’t ban based on content, but rather on an unwillingness to abide by the rules of the board. Your opinions may be minority ones, but you express them in a gentlemanly fashion and within the rules. > > What’s to worry about? \*\* The massive left-wing conspiracy here at the SDMB and in the media. They are out to “get” conservative posters. Liberals or moderates can get anyway with anything while the conservative posters are subject to the horrors of “groupthink”. Take a peek at the Bali thread for a sample of this argument. I would not surprised to see **Read Neck** or **Brutus** use this, I mean otherwise they would have to attribute their problems with their own conduct here. But I was surprised that **Shodan** was running in that crowd. I expect the martydom of **december** to continue for a bit- logic and the facts be damned. Although now every time **Reeder** posts an OP someone will chip is “and **december** got banned and he didn’t”. Just watch. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/43 "2003-08-29T14:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*I see this and similar assertions a lot, and they baffle me. Which of these statements is ruder? > > A: Fuck off, asshole! > B: Considering, sir, that you have contributed to the grisly murders of thousands of people and that you encourage attacks like those on the World Trade Center, I wonder: how do you live with yourself? > > For myself, assuming that statement B is untrue, I consider it to be far ruder than statement A. December excels at cloaking horrific insults and accusations in superficially polite language. Rather than making him polite, it simply points further to his fundamental dishonesty.\*\* With respect, it’s not a fair comparison in your example, since one case alleges specific acts of inhumanity, where the other is something one would use to flame someone over anything at anytime. I understand your point, however. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/44 "2003-08-29T14:06:32Z")
Eh, I was to the point where I pretty much avoided every **december** OP, but if he came into a thread I was reading it isn’t like I skipped his posts. I figured he’d never be banned. I’m not dancing on his grave, that’s for sure, but I’m also not mourning the passing of his posting abilities. Likewise, if he gets a chance to return, I won’t be screaming injustice. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/45 "2003-08-29T14:08:56Z")
And so the world turns. Only a few hours ago I was writing in the GQ thread thanking his fellow Republican and ex Moderator **Manny** for his great service to the SD community. So, how will this work: Gone forever or a **Coll** style rise from the ashes in three months and after sufficient in the cooler ? Anyone taking odds on 10 weeks ‘til the Jersey Phoenix, suitably chastised, rises once more ? ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/46 "2003-08-29T14:11:54Z")
Who is this “december” of which you speak? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/47 "2003-08-29T14:15:29Z")
It is a loss in some ways. **december** always had good posts for a newbie lefty-poster to cut his teeth on. His OP were politly worded but rife with falsity. You could look at it and say “Hey, I can show that he’s wrong”. Earnest googling ensues. The problem he didn’t ever “stayed showed” wrong. Within a day or two (or sooner and within the same thread) his blinders would slip back on. He would then restate his original distortions as though they were freshly minted. That shit is frustrating. I will miss looking straight into the eye of the idealogue though, it was fascinating even if a little creepy. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/48 "2003-08-29T14:16:36Z")
Now that **December** is banned, I don’t suppose it against the rules now to say that IMO he was a troll who posted deliberately provocative threads to get a rise out of people. He baited leftists and posted deliberately dishonest OPs in order to start arguments. I am amazed that so many posters failed to see beyond the surface of his “polite language” to the gross insults and accusations it covered. He was the chief reason I’ve basically dropped out of political threads in GD. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/49 "2003-08-29T14:16:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > \*\*So, how will this work: Gone forever or a **Coll** style rise from the ashes in three months and after sufficient in the cooler ? > > Anyone taking odds on 10 weeks ‘til the Jersey Phoenix, suitably chastised, rises once more ? \*\* I hope that the unbanning experiments are over. We have had mostly bad luck in that area. And the returns and eventual rebannings have been very devisive. But this is my opinion obviously. It is up to the Admins. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/50 "2003-08-29T14:20:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astro \* > \*\*Umm… they seem to given him a little extra bit of rope there and told him to go and sin no more re the little bait and switch trick he pulled (or he would be banned) so it must be something else. \*\* The Bali OP could be considered another example of bait and switch. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by London\_Calling_\*\* > Only a few hours ago I was writing in the GQ thread thanking his fellow Republican and ex Moderator _Manny_ for his great service to the SD community. \*\* Ex-Mod **Manny**? Did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/51 "2003-08-29T14:20:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > \*\*Anyone taking odds on 10 weeks ‘til the Jersey Phoenix, suitably chastised, rises once more ? \*\* And subsequently bursting into ashes again 3 weeks after that? I got a crisp $20 right here. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/52 "2003-08-29T14:21:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*You misread the situation. **december** certainly got attacked from every angle, but the _baiting_ was done by **december** himself. No-one forced **december** to post inflammatory and dishonest OPs. \*\* Well don’t look to me to defend the Clinton/Hillary quoting fiasco. While the canned anti-Bush responses to his OP were interesting to note, it was “baiting” on its most basic level, and conducted very poorly. I think it got to where even a non-baiting OP (which there were some) ended up being analyzed to the extreme in a way done with no other poster here, and that got to be tiresome. **elf6c** - if you’re talking about the misquote thread, then no, I agree that that’s certainly indefensible. I can’t get the Bali bomber thread to open all pages right now, but it’s not looking good from what I can read. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/53 "2003-08-29T14:21:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*I think I had better see if I can do a quick search for **december** ’s very last post, and link to it. To spare the hamsters’ suffering heart attacks as we all satisfy our morbid curiousity. \*\* As **Shodan** doesn’t seem capable of following through, this was **december** ’s [last post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3908910#post3908910): > [@](#): > > He is married but lives with his girlfriend. That’s not secret, but I was surprised when I heard it. It was in **december** OP "Will Schwarzenegger’s campaign be hurt by his 1977 Oui interview? " ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/54 "2003-08-29T14:23:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*Eh, I was to the point where I pretty much avoided every _december_ OP, but if he came into a thread I was reading it isn’t like I skipped his posts. I figured he’d never be banned. I’m not dancing on his grave, that’s for sure, but I’m also not mourning the passing of his posting abilities. Likewise, if he gets a chance to return, I won’t be screaming injustice. \*\* Same here, except that for the past year I had been expecting him to be banned eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Creative\_Munster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Creative\_Munster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Creative_Munster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/55 "2003-08-29T14:23:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\*I am fucking glad he’s gone and hope it’s for good because I had given up participating in many threads due to him. He was just tawling for attention. Good riddance. The board is a better place now that his stupidity will not drown out more reasonable voices. \*\* More reasonable voices being those who agree with your drivel, I assume. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/56 "2003-08-29T14:24:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > \*\*The Bali OP could be considered another example of bait and switch.Ex-Mod **Manny**? Did I miss something? \*\* Short version. Due to time constraints, he handed in his Mod hat. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/57 "2003-08-29T14:27:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > \*\*I hope that the unbanning experiments are over. We have had mostly bad luck in that area. And the returns and eventual rebannings have been very devisive. But this is my opinion obviously. It is up to the Admins. \*\* Agreed. However, danielinthewolvesden turned out to be a decent guy when outside of the SDMB GD, and Collounsbury has a very interesting LiveJournal to read, which is quite informative and different in tone then his postings here. Of course, some banned people just turn into filthy little **libelous** cowards and use their Livejournals to make vague threats of harm towards, oh, people like me? Come to think of it, some non-banned people do that too… And hey, **elf6c**! I was BANNED\* and returned! [sub]\* Actually, I had “BANNED” under my name but was not banned, so it’s not the same thing…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/58 "2003-08-29T14:33:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*I am amazed that so many posters failed to see beyond the surface of his “polite language” to the gross insults and accusations it covered. \*\* It’s not that we failed to notice he was an asshole, we just offered up the “polite thing” as a possible reason for him not getting banned. I think the consensus was more that _compared_ to **Coll** he was polite, not that he was an all around swell guy. Maybe I’m a bit touchy today, but that comment seemed to imply like a bunch of us are stupid or something. I know that wasn’t your intent, but I had to get that out of my head anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/59 "2003-08-29T14:37:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Trion \* > \*\*Who is this “december” of which you speak? \*\* …of whom you speak, God damn it! With our friend silenced I can hope that I can avoid my bi-weekly case of apoplexy from reading the balderdash he was wont to post and his intransigence in clinging to error after error was repeatedly pointed out. I do think, however he served a valuable function here. You could rely on our friend to regurgitate in pretty much undigested form every trial balloon that came out of the triple sub-basement of the Executive Office Building and thus warn the rest of us what the Administration’s talking heads were doing to be talking about the next day. Without that retired actuary the arguments that have been frequently repeated here would never have become as precise and refined as they have been simply because it would not have been necessary to reinvent the wheel to meet the positions he advocated. To the extent he made those of us who found ourselves in opposition to him really work to be accurate, factual and logical he did us all a service. Of course the old adage is still applicable: there is a direct correlation between dogmatism and ignorance. I’m sure that any number of other posters can more than adequately fill his shoes as the dark eminence of reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/60 "2003-08-29T14:41:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > \*\*I can’t get the Bali bomber thread to open all pages right now, but it’s not looking good from what I can read. \*\* Did you see [**Boo Boo Foo** ’s first post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3905142#post3905142) there? And on preview: thanks, **World Eater**. I must’ve forgot about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=4)