# December banning **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 29, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415 "2003-08-29T13:09:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/81 "2003-08-29T15:20:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TaxGuy \* > **That Bali thread was the biggest hen-peck I’ve seen in a long time, and it made december’s banning inevitable, not because of anything december did, …** December started the _fucking_ thread! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/82 "2003-08-29T15:21:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astro \* > \*\*December’s OP in [the Bali thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=207575&perpage=50&pagenumber=1)(I didn’t read the entire thread) _was_ a steaming pile of polite, mindless, shit stirring, trollesquery that _could_ have tipped the scales with an admin at the end of their patience. \*\* Or two (Gaudere and [Coldfire](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2397222&highlight=december#post2397222)). ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/83 "2003-08-29T15:21:50Z")
I have a vision of him sharing a rum with Collounsbury. (and its not even September! ) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/84 "2003-08-29T15:22:59Z")
> [@](#): > > At least it shows how week most of the liberals’ arguments are–that you guys have to start screaming and yelling and calling foul and shit > [@](#): > > the foamy mouth knee-jerk no brain liberal assholes we seem to be up to our ears with around here Hee hee! **TaxGuy** , have you considered staying current on your own rabies shots? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/85 "2003-08-29T15:25:44Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Debaser_ > **december** can accurately be characterized as articulate, well-spoken and polite. Assuming that in “polite” you include deliberately lying and accusing all people opposed to the war of being responsible for terrorist bombings, then yes, he was polite. Others clearly have different definitions. How is a debate board to function when people lie to score cheap points? Those whining about how lefties all apparently love Reeder obviously haven’t been reading his recent threads (albeit with good reason) wherein numerous calls for him to shut the hell up have been voiced by avowed liberals. Personally, I agree with Taxguy when he says that Reeder is several times worse than december. However I do think that a situation where bannings need to be seen to be matched one-to-one on partisan lines is ludicrous, and will serve only to increase the divisiveness on the board. Cases should be considered on their own merits, and the mods clearly do not take these decisions lightly. Although I don’t venture GD-wards much, it seems to me that Reeder has only been peddling his rubbish to such a ridiculous extent for the last month or two. Certainly, there’s been a flurry of pit threads all of a sudden. We are not informed of the every thought of the admins, and it seems unreasonable to assume that merely because someone is not banned yet means that their behaviour is considered acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/86 "2003-08-29T15:26:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TaxGuy \* > \*\*Trion, I think you have a point, but only to a point. I mean, look at the trials and tribulations of the outspoken Christian posters, who were all basically decent people with a different point of view than most of the rest of us. > > Lots of folks here hen-pecked them until they said one little slightly mean thing, then they got banned for being jerks. That Bali thread was the biggest hen-peck I’ve seen in a long time, and it made december’s banning inevitable, not because of anything december did, but just to restore order among the foamy mouth knee-jerk no brain liberal assholes we seem to be up to our ears with around here. \*\* I’m not sure what this has to do with what I said - unless you’re saying that after Coll’s banning the liberals ganged up on poor december and pecked him until he broke the rules and got banned. That just leads me to think that you are now giving notice that you intend to hen-peck Reeder until he also gets banned. I could also point out that you have called Reeder a troll in this very thread which is frowned upon around here and I didn’t see anyone “hen-pecking” you into doing it. Lord knows, I don’t want to defend Reeder and I don’t like playing junior moderator. But the whole tit for tat cycle is less than honorable. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/87 "2003-08-29T15:26:34Z")
Yeah, all the SDMB bleeding hearts are out to get all y’all good, honest conservatives. It’ll be Shodan next, then Tax Guy and Snoopy. No, really. :rolleyes: But not me. I won’t attack you guys for being conservative. I’ll just attack you for being fucking bonehead martyr-wannabes. “Ohhh, the evil liberals haaaaate us! We’re superior because we’re perrrrrrsecuted! They only banned december because he was telling the truuuuuuth!” Wankers. We’ll completely ignore the fact that some of the most respected and prolific posters on the board are conservative, of course. Guess what, **gobear**? Yer a liberal now! **Uncle Beer**? You too. **Zev**? Liberal. **Manny**? Tofusucker. **Jodi**? Treehugger. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/88 "2003-08-29T15:27:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DanielWithrow \* > \*\*Hee hee! **TaxGuy** , have you considered staying current on your own rabies shots? > > Daniel \*\* Well, he can skip the irony shot, as he is obviously immune. Nicely done! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/89 "2003-08-29T15:27:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Debaser \* > \*\ ***december** can accurately be characterized as articulate, well-spoken and polite. > > Oh, and also conservative of course. \*\* And a liar. And a weasel. And as a general-all-round-dickhead. But you would like to believe that the fucking idiot was banned because of his _conservatism_. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/90 "2003-08-29T15:28:05Z")
> [@](#): > > While supporters of George W. Bush wince silently at characterizations of George Bush et al sacrificing American lives and civilian casualties to secure oil etc., december lays out the corollary view that visible protestations of the war encourage continued resistance and terror against westerners who will (in the eyes of the terrorists)someday crack and leave in a 1975 style evacuation of Saigon Not sure why you call that a non political perspective. Anyway, **grienspace** , the obvious difference is that GWB clearly **did** send in American forces and they **did** secure oil resources, which resulted in casualties. It may be hurtful to pin base motives on it, but the actual cause/effect is without dispute. The cause/effect of peace protests and terror strikes is flimsy speculation. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/91 "2003-08-29T15:34:53Z")
A shame in many respects. **december** was, to me, an excellent demonstration of just how startlingly right-wing the USA is compared to the rest of the first world. Foreign Dopers who wish to gain some insight into what wins a US election could simply click on a **december** OP. Many a time I have read the news thinking _how the hell can they **possibly** justify that?!_, only to later find some crumb of reason amongst his invariably myopic and amoral duckspeak which at least explains why America _thinks_ it’s doing the right thing. And you do not fight ignorance by barring your opponent from the ring - numerous comments by a moderator that your methods are out of line are enough to _continually discredit you_ in the eyes of new members who might have come to the SDMB _specifically to learn_ how to debate people like **december**. Think on this:[ul]The party whose intelligence-insulting doublethink **december** parroted, mindlessly and endlessly, is the _party in power_.[/ul]Sleep tight. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/92 "2003-08-29T15:35:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*And a liar. And a weasel. And as a general-all-round-dickhead. > > But you would like to believe that the fucking idiot was banned because of his _conservatism_. \*\* Its easier on their self-esteem to believe they are so disliked and reviled because of the “vast liberal conspiracy” against them rather then their own reprehensible behavior here. The fact the some of the most popular posters here are quite conservative **always** escapes them. It has to- otherwise they have to take personal responsibility for their actions. And remember, personal responsibility is easier preached then practiced. The self-martyrdom is as predictable as it is misplaced. Good for a spot of unintentional humor though. ---
**Author:** ![TaxGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@TaxGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaxGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/93 "2003-08-29T15:38:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\*Yeah, all the SDMB bleeding hearts are out to get all y’all good, honest conservatives. > > It’ll be Shodan next, then Tax Guy and Snoopy. No, really. > > :rolleyes: > > But not me. I won’t attack you guys for being conservative. > > \*\* I’m not a conservative, you fuck. I’m libertarian, so I’m only half conservative (fiscally, that is). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/94 "2003-08-29T15:38:16Z")
So what is the object of terror **CarnalK** and what is the measure by which the terrorists can assume that their strategy is succeeding in their long term struggle? ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/95 "2003-08-29T15:39:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Debaser \* > **december** can accurately be characterized as articulate, well-spoken and polite. I guess that depends. Most of the time, I don’t see what december is articulating. He parrot’s opinion pieces and blogs quite well, so we know he probably scores high on standardized reading tests. I think december’s politeness is paper-thin, and hopefully the threads linked around demonstrate that sufficiently. I’ll take an **mgibson** and a side of **msmith** with a **Sam Stone** appetizer before I’ll touch december. While **sailor** isn’t the model conservative, he’s more conservative than liberal (if one is inclined to allow only this spectrum of opinion, at least) and he can certainly hold his own and thank god for it. There are plenty of others, as well, that I think are well-spoken, articulate, and polite, and don’t need to resort to dressed up attacks and mischaracterizations under the guise of “debate”. I don’t hate december. He is welcome to his opinions. But I will say that I don’t think we’re actually going to be missing anything by his absence. He baits. He attempts to weasel around said baiting. He’s another DitWD and is just as weasely and good riddance in that respect. He has, perhaps, the patience of a saint. But he isn’t a saint. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/96 "2003-08-29T15:41:02Z")
I’m not very familiar with **Reeder** ’s posting style but it seems to me he just abandons his threads when people start poking holes in his posts. **december** abandoned threads too but not before responding to those who poke holes by providing more holes to poke. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/97 "2003-08-29T15:41:44Z")
I have to agree with **Taxguy** that **Reeder** is three times the troll that **december** ever was. **Reeder** has also lied and misrepresented the truth (i.e. the thread where he accused Bush of not visiting wounded soldiers). But I guess he gets a pass because most of his trolling is actually devoid of any substantive content. That must be the trick. ---
**Author:** ![Gadfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/98 "2003-08-29T15:43:35Z")
December was a jerk. Not blatantly, but consistently, through his thousands of posts, as far as I’ve seen. That’s enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/99 "2003-08-29T15:44:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TaxGuy \* > \*\*Um, dude, look at the Bali thread and december’s “i played a joke on you” thread in the pit, which were both basically roll calls for screaming hissy liberals. \*\* I see. So **Reeder** started those threads and then everyone agreed with his liberal perspective? Oh wait, no he didn’t. In the threads **Reeder** does start, they contain mostly people from both sides telling him he’s an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![biqu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@biqu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/biqu)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415/100 "2003-08-29T15:44:45Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Binarydrone_ > The issue here, as I see it, it that of acting on good faith. **december** , did not. There are folks here whose politics I utterly disagree with. The difference is that, unlike our winter friend, when they are engaged in debate they do so in good faith. December is only a winter month in the northern hemisphere. You might want to consider spending your Christmas/New Year vacation in Australia or New Zealand if it gets too cold in Seattle, Washington. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-banning/198415.md?page=6)