# December: Blog Spotter Extraordinaire & Tireless Informer on Sins of Liberals, etc **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 8, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899 "2003-05-08T14:33:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/61 "2003-05-09T02:34:55Z")
Good point. If I started 5 threads every week dedicated to the proposition that Republicans are stupid and/or evil and Democrats are Beloved of God, I’m pretty sure I’d have at least as many Pit threads as december. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/62 "2003-05-09T02:41:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Yes. \*\* That is both sad and unfortunate as the possibilities it leaves us with are none too good. First, is the possibility that I communicated so badly that you could not understand me. Since others did rather easily I don’t think we can accept simple misunderstanding. Second, is the possibility that you are a total idiot, incapable of reason. As satisfying as this might be for me, I simply don’t beleive it to be true, and am incapable of resolving it with what I consider to be consistent signs of a respectable intelligence on your part. The third possibility, and the only one I see left, is that you think so little of me and my intelligence, that you are comfortable ascribing such a fucking stupid and asinine point of view to me. Is that basically it? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/63 "2003-05-09T02:43:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dumbguy \* > \*\ ***Scylla** , I’d like to suggest an alternate hypothesis as to why **december** gets pitted so much. He starts more threads than probably anyone else on the board. They’re generally always in GD or the Pit, political in nature, and related in some way to the liberal vs. conservative slider bar. > > That seems to me a pretty sure-fire formula for getting pitted, regardless of persuasion. \*\* You may be right, and that is indeed reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/64 "2003-05-09T02:58:48Z")
Hmm, I disagree with Scylla, so I’m an asshole acting in bad faith. Yep, I’ve seen that one before. By the way, have you ever considered the possibility that you really are a complete and utter asshole? I mean, I know I have assholish tendencies, but you really are a prick. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/65 "2003-05-09T03:09:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Hmm, I disagree with Scylla, so I’m an asshole acting in bad faith. No. That it is most emphatically not what I said. More importantly, it doesn’t bear resemblance to what I meant. I am not accusing you of bad faith. I am asking if you genuinely think that bad of me, both my intelligence and my quality as a person that that is what you think I mean? > [@](#): > > \*\*By the way, have you ever considered the possibility that you really are a complete and utter asshole? I mean, I know I have assholish tendencies, but you really are a prick. \*\* And the answer seems to be Yes. You do. I think you think so badly of me that you are having trouble interpreting or seeing anything that I say in any other than the worst possible fashion. I think it’s causing you to distort my words in your parahrases to conform with your preconceptions. I think you’re mistaken in this, and hope you’ll see it. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/66 "2003-05-09T03:10:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > > * * * > > I would guess that it’s because if he were than the moderators would feel it necessary to apply the standard uniformly, and ban all the egregious bush/republican/conservative bashers. > > I agree. I wish he wouldn’t do it. On the other side of the coin, the major thing that seperates December out is that he’s bashing liberals. \*\* Exactly right. If they banned **december** , just a couple months after letting **Collunsbury** _back_ from his ban (admitting that Col isn’t necessarily a mirror of liberal party platforms, but still left of center), it would leave them open to questions of whether they’d be letting their liberal bias affect their decisions. **december** ’s posts aren’t any worse than the perpetual drive-by Bush-bashing non sequiturs that some of the board’s resident ultra-leftists like to drop everywhere. As a libertarian myself, I’m used to pretty much nobody agreeing with me, so I can stand back and look at the people disagreeing with me and see why. When I see why, it’s clear that this board is _overwhelmingly_ made of people coming from liberal viewpoints. We need at least a handful of conservatives around just to occasionally hold the lefties back from the brink of utter pinko nonsense. If some conservative goes too far, there’s never any worry that there will be plenty of leftists, some well-spoken and some just mindless teenagers and Bush-bashers, to pull the argument back to reality before we’re caught in a time-warp back to the Eisenhower administration. It’s been said before, it’s worth saying again. We all know _exactly_ what we get from **december** when we open one of his threads. It’s not trolling, it’s just inviting a critical look at the Democratic party in **december** ’s…unique…way. So if you don’t like it, ignore list him (naturally w/o saying that you’re doing so), and/or just don’t open his threads. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/67 "2003-05-09T03:19:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > … > [**London\_Calling** , I started a thread complaining that a mob of French schoolgirls decided to beat the shit out of two or three other French schoolgirls who were visiting from a Jewish school. One Jewish girl was beaten so badly that she chose to leave the country for her schooling. So, you seem to be saying that when a mob beats up three Jewish school girls, that’s not racism. When I complain about it, \*that’s[i/] racism. I sure hope I misunderstood your comment. > … > \*\* **December** , I have a clear recollection of this one, the controversy about Jewish school girls in Paris, their parents’ law suit and its dismissal with sanctions. You repeatedly misstated the facts, refused to concede the facts when repeatedly informed of the facts and were generally pilloried for dishonesty and pig headed stubbornness. It was not your best performance and, if I were you, I would not bring it up again. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/68 "2003-05-09T03:26:52Z")
In fact, let’s review Scylla’s statements in this thread: > [@](#): > > I would guess that [the failure of the mods/admins to badn december is] because if he were than the moderators would feel it necessary to apply the standard uniformly, and ban all the egregious bush/republican/conservative bashers. Translation: You’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > [T]he major thing that seperates December out is that he’s bashing liberals. Translation: You’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > I think the primary thing that seperates December out is that he is bashing liberals. The fact that conservatives are willing to hold him to task for his failings is moot. Translation: You’re just picking on him because he’s conservative, and it doesn’t matter that conservatives pick on him too. > [@](#): > > It seems to me that when Bush/Conservatives/Repbublicans are being bashed in similarly egregious fashion that there are few liberals willing to take issue with it. Translation: You’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > I am by no means saying all liberals ignore liberal blather, while all conservatives are ready to jump in on conservative blather. > > As you rightly note, you are one of a large minority of liberal minded posters that do consistently object to lunatics arguing liberal viewpoints. > > My point is a subjective one, but I believe that it is a correct even though I am a conservative, and it may seem self-serving: > > I would say that overrall there is a lot more slack granted to liberals bashing the opposition in egregious and unsupportable fashion than vice-versa. > > On this board it seems to me that liberals tend to pull and get away with this kind of thing more than conservatives. Translation: Did I say that you’re just picking on him because he’s conservative? I’m sorrry, I didn’t mean that. What I really mean is that you’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > I attribute that to the fact that there seem to be a lot more liberals than conservatives on the board, nothing more than that. Translation: You’re only picking on him because he’s conservative because there’s more of you than him. > [@](#): > > It’s true I find myself between a rock and a hard place here. I find December’s propensity for generalization and drawing broad and irrational conclusions to be indefensible when they occur. > > The other part of me gets a little bit mad when I see him attacked so strongly though. Translation: His behavior is indefensible, but I get mad because you’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > At first I thought that this was my own partisanship. That perhaps it only looks one-sided to me because I share a common political philosophy with December in some way. > > However, even after acknowledging and trying to discount this possiblility it seemed quite clear to me that there is a double standard that very often occurs on these boards, and that double standard is why December is so consistently maligned for doing things (wrong things,) that a person with the opposite view can and does get away with. Translation: Maybe it’s just my own biases, but I’ve given it some thought, and I’ve decided it’s really that you’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > Well there is Elvis. > > Perhaps you should appoint a member of the liberal board of standards to follow him around disclaiming his viewpoints. Translation: Why doesn’t Elvis get Pitted? It’s because you’re just picking on december because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > I don’t think the Mods offer a double standard. However while there is only one true December, he has 5-6 liberal counterparts who are just as bad. Say what you want about the guy, he’s usually fairly courteous and polite, which is more than you can say about his counterparts who operate with impunity. Translation: You’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. > [@](#): > > Again, I’ve self-evaluated this for selective perception which is always a danger, and still think it’s valid. > > I assert without a contention stronger than personal opinion, though. YMMV Translation: That’s just my opinion, but I think I’m right that you’re just picking on him because he’s conservative. I acknowledge that you may disagree, and that’s okay with me. > [@](#): > > First, is the possibility that I communicated so badly that you could not understand me. Since others did rather easily I don’t think we can accept simple misunderstanding. > > Second, is the possibility that you are a total idiot, incapable of reason. As satisfying as this might be for me, I simply don’t beleive it to be true, and am incapable of resolving it with what I consider to be consistent signs of a respectable intelligence on your part. > > The third possibility, and the only one I see left, is that you think so little of me and my intelligence, that you are comfortable ascribing such a fucking stupid and asinine point of view to me. Translation: You mean you read my posts as saying people were picking on december because he’s conservative? Perhaps I communicated my points poorly, but are you retarded, or are you a lying piece of shit? ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/69 "2003-05-09T03:34:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\* > \*\* I started a thread complaining that a mob of French schoolgirls decided to beat the shit out of two or three other French schoolgirls who were visiting from a Jewish school. One Jewish girl was beaten so badly that she chose to leave the country for her schooling. So, you seem to be saying that when a mob beats up three Jewish school girls, that’s not racism. When I complain about it, \*that’s[i/] racism. I sure hope I misunderstood your comment. > > If I admit to being more concerned about the welfare of Jews, that’s being honest. \*\* Ummmm, that is a mind-bogglingly huge and slanted oversimplification of what that thread was about. If you had shown any kind of evidence upfront that a) the attack was undeniably anti-Semitic in nature (you didn’t describe the schoolgirls as French, although they may well have been French citizens; you described them as Arabs/Muslims, which to be fair was how they were described in the article you quoted, which was itself pretty damn slanted and sensationalistic); b) the girls who were attacked were completely blameless; and/or c) school officials, acting intentionally and in their roles as agents of the French government, had wilfully ignored the attack by failing to protect Jewish girls BECAUSE of their race/religion/ethnicity (however you wish to define Jewishness for this purpose), you might have had a leg to stand on. On top of all that, you suggested that the attack was symptomatic of some sort of French government anti-Semitic conspiracy to rid the country of Jews by failing to protect them from anti-Semites in general, and Arabs/Muslims in particular. Oh, and I almost forgot how you accused the French judge of anti-Semitism when the parents were fined for attempting to try the case in the media. If that’s how good Jews defend the Chosen People from attack, by skewing the facts to suit their self-serrving ethnocentric agenda, then well, I sure don’t want to be a Jew like that. The whole thread left me pretty disgusted. That’s not a liberal vs. conservative debate; that was a truth vs. bullshit debate. (If anyone could find that sucker and link to it, I’d appreciate it. My search bar at home has disappeared, and I haven’t been able to retrieve it. Thanks in advance.) ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/70 "2003-05-09T03:44:11Z")
[Young girl beaten in anti-Semitic attack; French fine her parents!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=174789) Your welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/71 "2003-05-09T03:45:13Z")
Well damn. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=174789](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=174789) None of that fancy coding for me. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/72 "2003-05-09T03:45:57Z")
Minty: Don’t translate my posts. They’re in English, and I like my words better than yours. They represent what I meant, and they’re the record of what I actually said. The offense that you’re taking is occuring through your translation, not through my meaning, and not through my words unless you try to put it there. I don’t think you’re acting in bad faith here, but you are wrong. I am not giving you the offense you are taking. I’m not angry and I’m not upset, and I have a good opinion of you, I think well of you. I’m disapointed that you think so badly of me that you believe what you are so obviously putting into my words. But, since it’s you that is putting that offense into there, and not me, it is your problem not mine. I really am sorry you feel the way you do. I hope you change your mind. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/73 "2003-05-09T03:46:09Z")
[Young girl beaten in anti-Semitic attack; French fine her parents!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=174789) Your welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/74 "2003-05-09T03:49:16Z")
Wow, getting ugly fast. To cool everyone off, here’s this adorable adoracubby! [![](http://www.seanbaby.com/news/images/chicken04.jpg) ](http://www.seanbaby.com/news/images/chicken04.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/75 "2003-05-09T03:49:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > I don’t think you’re acting in bad faith here Then kidnly apologize for accusing me of posting in bad faith right here: > [@](#): > > The third possibility, and the only one I see left, is that you think so little of me and my intelligence, that you are comfortable ascribing such a fucking stupid and asinine point of view to me. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/76 "2003-05-09T03:52:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Apos \* > Wow, getting ugly fast. Oh no, this has been smoldering for months. Scylla shows up in GD every couple of months to complain about liberals, says horrible personal things about the people who disagree with him, then gets offended when anybody calls him on it. Clockwork, man. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/77 "2003-05-09T03:52:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*Mtgman I demonstrated Arafat’s embezzlement with a _cite_ quoting three separate individuals. I grant you that none of the sources was as solid as they might have been. You’re free to make that point, and it’s a valid one. OTOH Arafat doesn’t make his finances public, so any information about them is necessarily somewhat speculative. I don’t see where linking to a cite based on unnamed sources deserves Pitting. > > BTW, you still owe me an answer as to how you defined “hard evidence,” when you said there was no “hard evidence” that Saddam had WMDs.\*\* A couple of points. First note. I **owe** you jack shit. Second note. I didn’t pit you. _You_ made the assertion and when called on it you provided “cites” from unnamed Israeli sources with wild _estimates_ as to Arafat’s wealth and its source. Less biased sources actually indicated that he lives a very modest lifestyle and was from a wealthy background to begin with. Another of your “cites” was some random person on a message board who apparently has the same kind of standards of “proof” as yourself because they repeated allegations from that bastion of journalistic integrity, the New York Post.(Actual New York Post _front page headline_ from [Thursday May 1st, 2003](http://www.nypost.com/seven/05012003/index.shtml) “FAIRY GODFATHER: Mafia boss whacked for being gay”) All the “figures” in that “cite” came from Israeli sources who cited documents seized in raids and their own estimates. Oh wait, there was that unpublished British intelligence report which “allegedly” put a figure of 10 billion on Arafats wealth. You want people to believe your allegations? Turn these documents over to the EU or the UN and let them see the “proof” that Arafat is funneling aid monies into his own pockets. They’d be very interested in this type of “proof”. I reject your “proof”. Your cite is rumor-mongering or hearsay at best. Show me an independent verification of the Israeli interpretation of the financial records. Oh wait, they said “The intricate network of numbered bank accounts and hidden assets is believed to be so complex that only Arafat, Rashid and one or two other Palestinians know their extent.” Very convenient that. Nice to be able to say “He’s got tons of cash! He must have been embezzling aid funds!” and when someone says “Point to it. Trace its flow from aid cheques to his coffers.” they say “Well, it’s all over the place, we don’t know where or how much, or where it came from(actually we do, but we’re not going to tell you, just trust us ok?), but it’s all over the place! Really! I’m not lying!” **WHAT THE FUCK kind of “cite” is this? HOW FUCKING GULLIBLE DO YOU THINK I AM?!?** Well, regardless of how “hard” my standards of evidence are I think it’s pretty fucking obvious that this wouldn’t meet them. You want to paint me as some sort of hand-waver on the order of the holocaust deniers that’s fine. It’s bullshit, but you’re entitled to your opinion, no matter how smelly. Oh, and the WoMD evidence I need is evidence that Saddam posessed covert programs capable of producing WoMD when the first shots were fired in “Operation Iraqi Freedom”. Or stockpiles. I’d be ok with either. Not interested in unnamed officials estimates though. Some verification by at least two sources, one of which should be independent of the “coalition of the willing”. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/78 "2003-05-09T04:12:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Then kidnly apologize for accusing me of posting in bad faith right here: \*\* That is not what I did. What I said was “You were comfortable ascribing such a stupid and asinine point of view to me.” Those are the words that I used. And those particular words are the words that I meant. I believe you were and are comfortable, because you genuinely believe it to be true. I said that outright: " I think you think so badly of me that you are having trouble interpreting or seeing anything that I say in any other than the worst possible fashion. I think it’s causing you to distort my words in your parahrases to conform with your preconceptions." If you genuinely believe it to be accurate than it’s not bad faith, is it? I am not accusing you of bad faith even though what you are saying is very insulting. For now, I see no reason to take offense when I believe you are in genuine error, even though that error is founded on what seems to be a really crappy personal opinion of me. > [@](#): > > Oh no, this has been smoldering for months. Apparently it has. I didn’t know it. It has not been smouldering for me. I bear you no ill-will. I have nothing against you. I have a positive opinion of you, albeit one that is being assaulted and is in danger of crumbling. > [@](#): > > Scylla shows up in GD every couple of months to complain about liberals, Sure. I have said bad things about liberals in general. You have certainly said bad things about Republicans/Conservatives. It happens in GD to some degree all the time. I am neither particularly more nor less guilty of it than you or most anybody else who participates in those threads. > [@](#): > > says horrible personal things about the people who disagree with him, then gets offended when anybody calls him on it. Clockwork, man. Minty. You’re the guy that’s saying horrible personal things **and** getting all offended, here. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/79 "2003-05-09T04:39:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > That is not what I did. What I said was “You were comfortable ascribing such a stupid and asinine point of view to me.” This is false. You conveniently omitted the opening phrase. The _entire_ sentence was this: “The third possibility, and the only one I see left, is that you think so little of me and my intelligence, that you are comfortable ascribing such a fucking stupid and asinine point of view to me.” Translation: _The only explanation I can think of for why you would interpret my words thusly is that you think I’m stupid and are therefore think you can get away with saying I believe “fucking stupid and asinine” things._ I.e., you’re accusing me of posting in bad faith. Like clockwork. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/80 "2003-05-09T04:50:51Z")
Minty: This is getting really really stupid. In order for you to construe that I am accusing you of bad faith, you need a “translation” and an “i.e.” The full sentence doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said In the past I have had no qualms with accusing people of bad faith and lying when I felt that was what they were doing. I have no such qualms now. Thus far I have reserved offense because I had hoped we had a genuine misunderstanding we could work out. I’m sorry that doesn’t seem to be possible. If you change your mind let me know. I won’t hold it against you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899.md?page=5)