# December: Blog Spotter Extraordinaire & Tireless Informer on Sins of Liberals, etc **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 8, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899 "2003-05-08T14:33:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/81 "2003-05-09T05:00:26Z")
Nice work. State and/or insinuate bad personal things about the poster who disagrees with you, then claim the terrible things are purely in the other poster’s mind and announce that you are still sufficiently Christ-like to accept the other poster’s apology for having the temerity to take offense. Classic Scylla. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/82 "2003-05-09T05:16:39Z")
I mean, Jesus Fucking Christ, you miserable piece of shit. How the fuck else am I supposed to take the statement that [ul][li]The **sole** explanation for our disagreement [_]is that I think you’re so stupid **that** [note the necessary link between this clause and the next, you vermin] [_]I am “comfortable” in ascribing a “fucking stupid and asinine point of view” about you.[/ul]Hmm, I think you’re stupid, so that makes me “comfortable” to say what I did? Gee, where would I ever get the idea that you were accusing me of posting in bad faith about you?[/li] You’re an asshole, Scylla. A comple kneebiting prick. Go to hell, you sorry excuse for a primate. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/83 "2003-05-09T08:27:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > If I started 5 threads every week dedicated to the proposition that Republicans are stupid and/or evil and Democrats are Beloved of God, I’m pretty sure I’d have at least as many Pit threads as december. Every week? I think if **december** starts only five of his “insightful” OPs in a week, he must be feeling under the weather or something. Five a day seems more like his speed. ---
**Author:** ![Abe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f1d935/32.png) [@Abe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/84 "2003-05-09T09:45:24Z")
well well, I’m going to take a rare holiday in the Pit. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > **WHAT THE FUCK kind of “cite” is this? HOW FUCKING GULLIBLE DO YOU THINK I AM?!?** That is a reaction I frequently share when reading **December** ’s nonsense, often based on “sources” that even a filfhty sewer rat ought to think twice about citing. I find December’s dishonest tactics quite repulsive, especially on a forum such as this. In my opinion December is not an utter idiot, he just plays one on these boards. It’s the only possible explanation to account for the idiotic content he usually posts, his legendary selective reading (and confirmation bias), his veiled prejudices, and his classic decembrist replies, the ones that dance all over the place and run over with allusions but that often accomplish nothing of substance. December is, quite simply, a troll who has discovered that by trolling in accordance to certain guidelines he gets to troll _and_ spread political crap in a forum where it may very well be taken seriously and in good faith by some of the more uninformed members. He’s recruiting and proselytizing for the ranks of the ignorant, wilful and non. I don’t think he’s very successful, because you would have to be thoroughly ignorant to take his crap at face value, but that is not to say he is harmless. I really don’t want to bring in the whole conservative/liberal bitch-fight. There will always be idiots on both sides, however I am hard pressed to think of a worse offender in terms of fighting ignorance than December, the Prince of Lies. And, by extension, his supporters. Now, to embark on the rest of that Pit holiday: **Scylla** , I enjoy reading some of your posts – not all of them, but the ones where you give a straight answer and do not attempt to equivocate every point you disagree with but can’t find a direct objection to. Shorter, clearer, more direct posts with a clear thesis would be much appreciated, rather than long, winding, equivocatory sophistry or similar arguments, often seeming to appear as a defence of the indefensible. **minty green** , my one comment to you would be to cut back on the caffeine a bit; you seem rather edgy. You also have a tendency of arguing along the lines of "So, what you’re basically saying is … " – which is usually a bad start. **Shodan** , regardless of whether he was banned for a while, no one in the last months (or years) has done more to fight ignorance than **Collounsbury** as far as the Middle East and related topics are concerned, and if you think otherwise in the face of the tousands of words of evidence he has contributed, let’s see some real arguments instead of your snide remarks. C has consistently been a valuable source of information and perspective on MENA. I also see nothing “ironic” in “a formerly banned Doper … fulminating over december’s behavior”. That’s not irony, unless you subscribe to the inchoate Alanis Morrisette definition of the word. Oh wait – there is actually one way in which C’s OP might be considered ironic, but I don’t think you would agree: > [@](#): > > _From the Concise Oxford English Dictionary_ > **irony** [sup]1[/sup] … **2** an ill-timed or perverse arrival of an event or circumstance _that is in itself desirable_. My emphasis, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/85 "2003-05-09T10:07:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > (London - tho Dex would be conservative, there’s also Lynn, Tuba, Gaudere all admins, and of those, I don’t recall any indication of what I’d consider conservative bent, so I don’t agree w/your assesment there. ) It’s complete conjecture, **wring**. But \*\* C K Dexter Haven\*\* is pretty much way out there with the ‘my Israel right or wrong’ nuts like **December**. Because of the (highly emotional) nature of that particular beast, I don’t see how his views wouldn’t interfere in any judgment calls about our resident racist, race-hate inciter, liar and deceiver. I do think, however, he’s more likely to offer serious input than are the other Admins you mention, at least on this poster. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > London\_Calling, I started a thread complaining that a mob of French schoolgirls decided to beat the shit out of two or three other French schoolgirls who were visiting from a Jewish school. One Jewish girl was beaten so badly that she chose to leave the country for her schooling. So, you seem to be saying that when a mob beats up three Jewish school girls, that’s not racism. When I complain about it, that’s racism. I sure hope I misunderstood your comment. Yada yada yada. As I said, you’re a proven racist, race-hating lying piece of shit so, to be perfectly frank, who the fuck cares what you think because it’s just all so much drivelling, offensive nonsense ? I really have no plans to argue with someone like you any time soon. If anyone has any doubts, please read the link provided by \*\* squeegee \*\* and (just about) by **biggirl**. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > If I admit to being more concerned about the welfare of Jews, that’s being honest. You wrote you valued a Jews life above another, etc. etc. That’s very comfortably within my definition. btw, I forgot to add one item to the list, so it now reads;[ul] \ ***Racist** \* \*\*\*Race hate inciter \*\* \* \ ***Liar** \* \*\*\* Misrepresentor \*\* (with the intention of deceiving) \* \*\*\*Troll \*\* (on a weekly basis) \*[/ul] … all of those characterizations are plainly evident and I don’t believe any of them are disputable. You know what does offend me is that he chooses the path of ignorance over enlightenment; he chooses to use his intellectual abilities to deceive others rather than inform, he seeks to misrepresent and lie – and this from an apparently 60 year-old Jew. In the face of everything that happened in the 20th century, that the policies of this modern Israel has such people doing such things is beyond sad to me. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/86 "2003-05-09T10:07:58Z")
minty, you’re way out of order. ---
**Author:** ![Optihut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/edb3f5/32.png) [@Optihut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Optihut)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/87 "2003-05-09T10:47:54Z")
> [@](#): > > december wrote: > **If I admit to being more concerned about the welfare of Jews, that’s being honest. Most people care more about those with whom they have some sort of kinship.** Certainly, but playing favourites is still wrong. I don’t care about racial or religious issues, I tend to judge people on an individual basis. And so should you! (Well, maybe you shouldn’t, it’d change your personality completely.) ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/88 "2003-05-09T10:57:27Z")
I get very infuriated with myself for so often rising to the bait and literally screaming out loud at some of the stuff **december** writes. At the end of the day though, I feel my more balanced response to his threads should probably be one of pity, as much as frustration. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/89 "2003-05-09T11:45:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > minty, you’re way out of order. Am not. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/90 "2003-05-09T12:02:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Shodan, regardless of whether he was banned for a while, no one in the last months (or years) has done more to fight ignorance than Collounsbury as far as the Middle East and related topics are concerned… Therefore this gives him a pass for his jerkish behavior? I think not. > [@](#): > > … and if you think otherwise in the face of the tousands of words of evidence he has contributed, let’s see some real arguments instead of your snide remarks. I posted two of the more jerkish remarks made by our self-styled oracle on all things Middle Eastern. Sorry you missed it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/91 "2003-05-09T12:11:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by drpepper \* > \*\*What? **Collounsbury** thinks another poster is “inane and stupid”? Really??? Well, blow me down. \*\* 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MSU\_1978](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@MSU\_1978](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MSU_1978)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/92 "2003-05-09T12:13:51Z")
My two cents-- I’m a liberal. I even voted for Dukakis and am proud of it. But I like december. Sure, I disagree with a lot of what he posts but doggone it, opposing points of view don’t bother me. Sure, the post about liberals not caring about world history was a bit goofy, but so what? He’s always polite and well mannered, unlike the formerly banned OP in this thread. I enjoy reading december’s posts, heck I even miss Chumpsky. If you don’t think a thread is worthy, then don’t read it. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/93 "2003-05-09T12:18:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eva Luna \* > That’s not a liberal vs. conservative debate; that was a truth vs. bullshit debate. I won’t re-hash that entire debate here. I certainly agree that it wasn’t a liberal vs. conservative debate. But, what you call “bullshit” is mostly a cite that you didn’t like, but couldn’t refute. The points I made were supported by the cite and its writer’s POV. You didn’t believe the writer of the cite. That’s your privilege. For all we know, he may have been lying or exaggerating. OTOH, for all we know, he may have been totally accurate. No independent report of the incident was ever located. For you to disbelieve the report is your privilege, but you have no evidence at all that it’s bullshit. **Abe** is on a similar wavelength, \*“often based on ‘sources’ that even a filthy sewer rat ought to think twice about citing.” \* What **Abe** is really upset about IMHO is that I cited articles which presented stuff that made him uncomfortable. Consider two examples. The thread that gave rise to this Pit thread was based on quotes from _two liberal bloggers_. My recent thread about the UN cafeteria looting was based on _Time Magazine_ as a source. I think some posters consider criticism of the UN or Mehgrebs or liberals to be taboo. I think the problem for some of you is that I attack your sacred cows. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/94 "2003-05-09T12:24:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > I think the problem for some of you is that I **attack** your sacred cows. _Moooooooooooooo_ If I may paraphrase from a Parliamentary speech: “Being attacked by **December** is like being savaged by a dead sheep” London - _Farmyard Quotes Are Us_ - Calling ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/95 "2003-05-09T12:29:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*I think the problem for some of you is that I attack your sacred cows. \*\* there’s simply insufficient :rolleyes: in existence to respond adequately to that. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/96 "2003-05-09T12:36:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Am not. \*\* Sorry, but you fired a string of accusations and insults at Scylla, with no real provocation. Now you may well have real problems with Scylla, and thats your perogative - but if thats the case shouldn’t you start up a thread and have at it? ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/97 "2003-05-09T12:43:57Z")
And I’d do it again too. I stand behind what I said, nearly all of which refers to his arguments and his bullshit accusations against me in this thread. Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/98 "2003-05-09T12:45:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*I think the problem for some of you is that I attack your sacred cows. \*\* December, what upsets me most about your postings is that in real life I suspect you’d be a very nice person to have a chat and a drink with. But for some reason on this board you seem quite happy to make very offensive posts, usually attacking things that are quite dear to some people, on the very thinnest of grounds. A lot of the things you write really are quite reprehensible. You accuse the EU of deliberately funding terrorists. You accuse the french of institutional racism. Your various threads on the war accused many different groups of effectively causing troop fatalities. All without any actual grounds. December, I would ask you to reread some of your posts, and honestly consider just how merited they were, or how offensive they were. Imagine if I’d made similar posts about Israel funding terrorism, about America being institutionally racist…can you see how if I did this on a regular basis you’d start to become angry? ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/99 "2003-05-09T12:47:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*I think the problem for some of you is that I attack your sacred cows. \*\* No, the problem is that you are you paranoid, biased and bigoted. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/100 "2003-05-09T12:48:32Z")
> [@](#): > > No, the problem is that you are you paranoid, biased and bigoted. No, you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899.md?page=6)