# December: Blog Spotter Extraordinaire & Tireless Informer on Sins of Liberals, etc **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 8, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899 "2003-05-08T14:33:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/101 "2003-05-09T12:49:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > My recent thread about the UN cafeteria looting was based on _Time Magazine_ as a source. I think some posters consider criticism of the UN or Mehgrebs or liberals to be taboo. > > I think the problem for some of you is that I attack your sacred cows. I think the problem with you is that you are an idiot. I really do. The article you cited was indeed from Time Magazine but no one said it was not true or reliable. Everybody admitted the content of that article. What we did not admit, because it was pure idiocy, was that the incident was any reflection on the capability of the UN to do its job. Since that was what _you_, not Time Magazine, said the idiocy is only yours. Note that you were not facing liberals or conservatives but the entire board. You were totally alone in that thread like you were totally alone in many other threads, not because you are conservative but because you are spouting idiotic garbage. You would do everyone, including conservatives, a favor if you would shut the hell up. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/102 "2003-05-09T12:49:19Z")
Minty, all he said was that you must think him very stupid to have the opinions you accuse him of. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/103 "2003-05-09T12:51:58Z")
Some posters don’t want to allow Attacks on their pet sacred cow. …Thinking outside the box …Causes shivers and shocks, But it amplifies one’s point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/104 "2003-05-09T12:59:18Z")
I’ll take that as a no then. Ah well, it was worth a try. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/105 "2003-05-09T13:01:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > Minty, all he said was that you must think him very stupid to have the opinions you accuse him of. Nope. He said I must think he’s so stupid _that_ I’m _comfortable_ (i.e., I think I can get away with) saying allegedly terrible things about his arguments. He is, no reasonable doubt in my mind, accusing me of posting in bad faith. And I don’t fucking cotton to that sort of crap. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/106 "2003-05-09T13:08:24Z")
minty, I don’t agree with your interpretation: “you think so little of me and my intelligence, that you are comfortable ascribing such a fucking stupid and asinine point of view to me.” I would read that as “I would have to be stupid to have that point of view”. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/107 "2003-05-09T13:11:11Z")
> [@](#): > > I think the problem for some of you is that I attack your sacred cows. **december** , to start with I want to be very clear. I am not in fact accusing you of being a troll. However, you should probably avoid the cliche I quoted above. According to my field guide, this is the troll’s mating call. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/108 "2003-05-09T13:13:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Nope. He said I must think he’s so stupid _that_ I’m _comfortable_ (i.e., I think I can get away with) saying allegedly terrible things about his arguments. \*\* There is no “I.E.” here, Minty. You have chosen to interpret it this way, and insist on holding onto this misconception no matter how often it is clarified for you. I think you’re being highly offensible, and I’ve been very nice and reasonable in light of your behavior, here. As I’ve clarified several times, and as Gary has clarified, and as I hope everybody else can see who’s reading this thread, the “Comfortable” means you believe it to be true. Cross my heart, honor as a Boyscout. > [@](#): > > He is, no reasonable doubt in my mind, accusing me of posting in bad faith. When I make such accusations, I do not shy away from them. You are mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/109 "2003-05-09T13:13:45Z")
I disagree, Gary. ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/110 "2003-05-09T13:13:54Z")
**minty** , please. I love you lots. But I think you’re reading futher into this than is there Personally, if I were to write that _ **Kumquat** is comfortable saying that Aberdeen sheep fancy him_, I would simply mean that _this is firmly what he believes_, not that _this is what he thinks he can get away with saying_. The word “comfortable” is linguistic filler. I know in law the existence of one word in the wrong place can cause endless hand-wringing. Hoooooo boy, do I know it. I’m working on a case where about $500 million is resting on one poorly placed emphasis in one paragraph. But this is not a contract, (nor even a memo that may or may not lead to inducement). It’s informal writing and people may sometimes say not exactly what they mean. They then come back and clear up the misunderstandings. I think that **Scylla** has done that here. I know as well as anyone how annoying **Scylla** can be to argue with. But I also think that he’s pretty alright, really. I certainly don’t think that he’s a man worth holding grudges against. You may differ on that score, but at least save your fight for something actually worth fighting about. pan ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/111 "2003-05-09T13:20:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > **Personally, if I were to write that _Kumquat is comfortable saying that Aberdeen sheep fancy him_, I would simply mean that _this is firmly what he believes_,** And they do, the fluffy little harlots. ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/112 "2003-05-09T13:27:27Z")
We know, **Gary**. We know. ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/113 "2003-05-09T13:34:13Z")
As a hijack, has anyone (other than me) ever sent any e-mail directly to David Skutnick (a.k.a., December)? ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/114 "2003-05-09T13:39:07Z")
As another hijack (aside might be more like it), the last limerick actually works, in a metrical and rhythmic sense, until it reaches the last line, when it falls apart due to Mr. Skutnick’s violation of the aabba pattern. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/115 "2003-05-09T13:42:19Z")
Perhaps, Scylla, the next time you perceive that somebody has misperceived your remarks, you ought not to: **1.** Assert that the other poster it could not possibly have misread your perfectly clear posts (and given your repeated insistence, quoted at length above, that december gets picked on because he’s conservative, maybe you ought to rethink how clear your argument really was, huh?); **2.** Claim that since (1) is not the case, a second possibility is that the other poster is retarded, then opine that while that retardation would be “satisfying” for you, you just can’t make that conclusion; **3.** Conclude that since (1) and (2) are not the case, then the only remaining explanation is that the other poster must consider you so stupid that the other poster is “comfortable” ascribing a “fucking stupid and asinine” argument to you. 'Cause I’m thinking that’s, you know, a wee bit inflammatory. I didn’t say one godamned thing to you that was anything less than perfectly polite and on-topic until you pulled that shit. I’m quite willing to conclude that I misinterpreted the intent of your posts on the first page of this thread, that you were trying to make a more nuanced argument than “You guys pick on december because he’s conservative.” If that’s the case, it would have been nice to have my misapprehension corrrected instead of getting hosed down with venom and bile. **kabbes** , thank you for the advice, but I am not **december**. When people attack me as a person, I do not respond with limericks and good cheer. I call them on their behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/116 "2003-05-09T13:55:02Z")
I e-mailed **December** once. Why, **Governor?** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > \*\*You know what does offend me is that he chooses the path of ignorance over enlightenment; he chooses to use his intellectual abilities to deceive others rather than inform, he seeks to misrepresent and lie – and this from an apparently 60 year-old Jew. > > In the face of everything that happened in the 20th century, that the policies of this modern Israel has such people doing such things is beyond sad to me. \*\* **L\_C** , speaking as someone not even remotely Jewish, I can say the same about certain Europeans. That Israel should be the focus/scapegoat/target for so many in supposedly enlightened countries is both laughable and horrific. That the UK can be both a Coalition member and a haven of anti-Semitism (to the point of exporting bombers, no less) at the same time is quite puzzling to some here in the US. Not that you’d find it on this board, necessarily, but trust me others have noticed and **Jackmanii** probably called your case correctly. Recent article from that bastion of Jewish propaganda, the Guardian: [http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,950536,00.html](http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,950536,00.html) With charges of anti-Semitism coming from your own press, directed toward your own officials, I suggest you look in a mirror before launching smarmy diatribes toward others. ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/117 "2003-05-09T14:06:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tee \* > \*\*I e-mailed **December** once. Why, **Governor?** \*\* Out of personal interest. I tried to engage him in a discussion of NJ politics, only to discover (to my personal horror) that the man who’ll put his two cents in on virtually everything else knows next to nothing about his home state politics. Nice man, though. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/118 "2003-05-09T14:07:46Z")
Tee, your drivel is a fucking typical example of the stupidity that led to this OP. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tee \* > **That the UK can be both a Coalition member and a haven of anti-Semitism (to the point of exporting bombers, no less) at the same time is quite puzzling to some here in the US.** To describe the UK as a haven of anti-semitism is typical of the fucking paranoid, simplistic shite that frankly fucks me off completely. Strangely enough in a nation of 58 MILLION people you’re going to find samples of every possible form of extremism. I take it that the US is also a haven for anti-semitism, as it harbours a number of people with a hatred for jews, such as this nut [http://www.geocities.com/chopoffhead/jews.html](http://www.geocities.com/chopoffhead/jews.html) ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/119 "2003-05-09T14:07:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*If that’s the case, it would have been nice to have my misapprehension corrrected instead of getting hosed down with venom and bile. There was absolutely no venom and bile in what I wrote. In fact I have returned the pretty hateful things you have said to me with repeated affirmations of the positive opinion I have of you, and the respect with which I hold you. ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899/120 "2003-05-09T14:09:55Z")
One nut-job doing his nut-job thing is justification for calling us “exporters of bombers”? :dubious: **minty** , I understand that you feel that you’ve been attacked. Hell, that’s too weak. In many ways you _have_ been attacked. But as attacks go it’s pretty harmless, don’t you think? A misplaced emphasis while taking opposite stances about a third party? And whilst you say that you were perfectly polite before that (and I’m sure that you have every intention of being so), a person could very well interpret otherwise the continued _mis_interpretation of their words after some attempt had been made to clarify. I’m not sure. It could look that way if you were on the other side. I get pretty irritated if someone keeps paraphrasing _me_ in a way that I simply do not intend, regardless of whose fault that paraphrasing is. Either way, let me say that whilst I understood the ruffled feathers, I was still pretty blown away when you suddenly launched a full-blown assault. (But then, I also know how annoying the softly-softly insinuation and arms-spread surprise at the offence can be too. So my surprise was a little tempered). If you want to insult **Scylla** , go to it. I just thought you’d appreciate knowing how it’s coming across. pan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-blog-spotter-extraordinaire-tireless-informer-on-sins-of-liberals-etc/173899.md?page=7)