December Debates Feminist Academia

Man alive, I’ve waded through sixty-odd posts of the intellectual equivalent of “show me yours”, and I didn’t get the one thing I was expecting from the SDMB: some sort of statement of what these unique feminist academic tools amount to.

Because I’ve never heard of them, which is unsurprising given my distance from academia. Google has been pretty darn unhelphul.

I hereby freely admit that I have no idea what feminist academic tools are and I would be very much enlightned by some sort of description of them.

Should I start my own thread?

Man, where’s AHunter? IIRC he knows a lot about this sort of thing. Actually, I know I remember correctly, but the extent of his knowledge is what I am shakey on.

So far, this debate is two pages of posts that could stand to be completely deleted.

Women’s Studies, I would presume, is a specific field—perhaps even a developing one—geared around a specific information set in a specific context. IOW, it is much like anything else, from clown school to particle physics.

Stepping forward. It is a poor claim to make in general as I think there can be no sense in which academics is moving forward or backward in any real sense. Moving forward in physics doesn’t mean the same thing as moving forward in linguistics, even though they are both intellectual pursuits and we would all use the term “moving forward” in them. It is a trick of language. There is no teleological purpsose behind all studies. There is a stepping forward in a person’s or persons’ education, but that is not the same thing.

As such, december should first adjust his claim to be more clear on what “stepping forward” means with respect to women’s studies, or somehow explain what all intellectual pursuits have in common so that “stepping forward” has a meaning in the general sense. There is no way to claim that women’s studies doesn’t exist, and there is no way to claim that people aren’t pursuing women’s studies, so given that, we must examine the underlying problem december has.

Which is unclear, and possibly chimerical upon further examination.

If women’s studies are considered an aspect of anthropology, then there is at least one context in which “step forward” has obvious meaning. But, as the quote from the OP says, “Does this mean that feminists have discovered advanced new ways of thinking? Approaches that eluded Einstein, Newton, Descartes, Bertrand Russell, Plato, Aristotle, Von Neumann, etc.?” Which is nonsense. Plato’s steps forward were nothing like Einstein’s steps forward. How is philosophical investigation of objects, for example, akin to mathematical formula? Well, of course, in some sense they are similar, but not in the context of Einstein “moving forward” which is my point. This would be made even more clear had december chosen to list other people than mathematicians, physicists, and philosophers. Darwin, for example. I am fairly confident in guessing that december does not consider the only valid fields of study to be math, physics, and philosophy, yet this list’s “et cetera” is rather ambiguous for the list’s incompleteness, unless those three areas are the only valid fields of study, in which case this debate will never make it off the ground.

I think december has a position which is not firmly explored by him, and waiting for him to take a small step forward so that we can dash him into the wall and throw well-cited stones is unfit for debate, and would make even a lousy pit thread.

If “we all know” how december is going to react, then this entire thread is worthless and is simply here to mock him. Stupid. If anyone truly wishes to broach the subject, then do so. Though it is a debating forum, we are not in technical debate, and we are not bound by turn-based rules. Say your piece if you have something to say, you know?

Everything else is, IMO, childish. And “He started it!” is also childish, before anyone tries to throw that at me.

Thanks for your time,
er

erislover

This is misrepresentative malarky. Despite his past performances, I give december the benefit of the doubt that he can construct a considered opinion about something. Hell, this is the same kind of courtesy I would extend anyone.

Furthermore, a genuine case can be made against feminist theory, a case that in many respects I find highly persuasive. This isn’t Feminism 101. If he wants an education, he can pick up a book. We are not being paid for our time.

We are here for an argument. Not a silly game in which december stands on top of a little anthill and says “convince me.” That game, quite frankly, is boring. If anyone enjoys this sort of thing and wants to step in, I would graciously and gratefully bow out.

This is yet more nonsense. The fact that this is not a “technical” debate does not abrogate its participants of the responsibility of certain basic courtesies. Namely, explaining one’s objections, defining one’s terms, and communicating just how one feels.

Like you said, eris, the purpose of this thread is not to throw mud on december, but to have a real debate. To start hurling feminist theory at him before he formulates his position would have precisely the kind of effect that you wish to avoid.

So far, this has been the GD equivalent of root canal. december can raise his hand and ask us all to stop at any time.

From my second cite

This is a familiar argument. “You can’t refute X, because you don’t know its intricacies.” Then X-ers can ignore criticism from those who haven’t wasted time learning all about it. E.g.,

– You can’t dispute astrology, unless you’ve read meany volumes you understand its exact principles.

This argument allows one to create a body of knowledge out of whole cloth and claim that it’s equal to knowledge that has been properly validated.

Professors who teach women’s studies or who teach what they call a “feminst approach” to a field. E.g.,“feminist literary criticism.”

See above response about the X-ers.

Universities, back in the days when a university was a place to search for truth and to fight ignorance.

:confused:

I gave a specific example – recovered memory. So far, there have been no cites or argumnets refuting it.

This statement seems to mean, “political accuracy trumps factual accuracy.” In other words, you seem to have defined “a high regard for factual accuracy” to mean, being right, politically…(Maybe I misunderstood it.)

This may be too generally stated. I am sure you don’t consider the Holocost Deniers to be teh equal of other historians.

I have taken the small step of expressing a POV regarding recovered memory. Please – refute it if you can. Prove that recovered memory IS valid. Prove that feminists didn’t support that theory. Prove that belief in recovered memory never hurt anybody. Throw all the stones you like.

What stolichnaya said.

pldennison, it’s always good to bring the Simpsons into a thread. And, we have a new smiley:

:smack: D’oh!

And he sticks to the one unsupported website by the cult guy, claiming it to be a cite. Amazing.

The argument that my familiarity with the history and practice of women studies is negligible is a type of ad hominem attack.

Thank you, Maeglin, for your last post.

So far, there have been no citations to indicate that your assertion is real. You have provided one single anecdote from one crank that makes one unsupported claim.

Based on this evidence, I can “prove” that the Israelis are engaging in terrorism by selecting a few quotations from various people–and I would not even have to quote a pro-Arab media source.

Where have you demonstrated that any actual feminist organization has actually opposed FMS or promoted RMOSA subsequent to the AMA and APA statements? Where is even a single noted feminist author (irrespective of the whole field) to be found making that statement?

Heck, by your “logic” I can “prove” that december behaves as a jerk in any discussion. I could find several hundred quotes and citations without even leaving this message board.

I think we have found an example of “thinking badly” and “dishonest content,” but it has not arisen from any feminist studies.

You have not. You have provided one citation that RMOSA is probably imaginary. You have provided one accusatory anecdote by a non-feminist.

“Many feminist academics have supported RMOSA without proper evidnece.”
Name one, much less “many.”

“Some of them have contined to support this doctrine, even after it had been refuted.”
Name them.


And the really sad thing about this is it would not go very far toward making a case, anyway. I can provide citations to fiscal conservatives who have made incredibly stupid comments about all the poor deserving their fate because they are lazy. Would that indicate that fiscal conservatism in Economics was a direct factor in “thinking badly” or “dishonest content”? Or would it indicate that some persons in all fields of knowledge are biased/stupid/illogical/whatever?

Example 4

Homer: Question two. Who was your last employer?

Shary: Lord and Lady Huffington of Sussex.

Homer: [whispering] Marge, do we know them?

Marge: No.

Homer: Come on! Isn’t he the guy I bowl with? The black guy.

Marge: That’s Carl.

Homer: Oh yeah! [back to Shary] So! You worked for Carl, eh?
Example 5

Marge: Homer, I’ve got someone here who I think can help you!

Homer: Is it Batman?

Marge: No, it’s a scientist!

Homer: Batman’s a scientist!
Example 6

Marge: This is my fault. I tried to teach Bart about town pride, but the power of my words filled him with a sort of madness.

Homer: Now, Marge, you can’t blame all of Bart’s problems on your one little speech. If anything turned him bad, it’s that time you let him wear a bathing suit instead of underwear. And let’s not forget your little speech!

No, december, that you seem to know nothing about women’s studies as revealed by your posts is very likely the truth.

Furthermore, you do not seem to have actually read the page regarding fallacies ad hominem.

For example.

december clearly knows nothing about women’s studies. After all, he’s an atheist and he cannot tie his shoes correctly.”

This is an entirely different claim than"

december clearly knows nothing about women’s studies because there hasn’t been a single substantive, consistent argument in all of his posts.”

One is a fallacy, the other an observation, or dare I say a fact.

I never suggested that anyone not listen to you. Hell, I am trying to listen to you. Trying to get you to explain your point of view, god forbid. And tempus fugit.

Maeglin
If he wants an education, he can pick up a book. We are not being paid for our time. I didn’t say he wanted one.

Furthermore, a genuine case can be made against feminist theory, a case that in many respects I find highly persuasive. Then why even start this thread if you agree with him?

Not a silly game in which december stands on top of a little anthill and says “convince me.” You started the thread. You asked for convincing via clarification on a position you feel has merit.

Namely, explaining one’s objections, defining one’s terms, and communicating just how one feels. Which you have failed to do. If there is no objection, then why start the debate? If there is an objection, it is not in the OP. The OP was a request for december to explain himself on a position which you say you have sympathy for. In my world, a request for clarification is not a debate.

Furthermore, your OP presents a sticky issue. You claim that feminist theory does not represent a step backward, and then attack december for not defining the very term you seem confortable enough using.

That confuses me. Either you know what you mean by it and could precede in debate without his clarification, or you don’t know what you mean by it, either, in which case you’ve made the same mistake you later accuse december of.

december
I am sure you don’t consider the Holocost Deniers to be teh equal of other historians. I did not make the claim. “Acedemics” has no general thrust to it. Advancement in history is not “like” advancement in mathematics. The whole of acedemics is not impacted by any particular field within it, as well.

From within any particular field I think “step forward” has a contextually clear meaning. So, in that sense, I think you can say that feminist theory is a step back, if only I knew what exactly feminst theory studies in particular, which I don’t.

Prove that feminists didn’t support that theory. I don’t care whether any feminists did or did not support the theory. In fact, the quote you offer us doesn’t say what you think it says. I will repost it here for clarity’s sake.

IOW, the focus is on not dismissing women’s claims of abuse, not in blatantly supporting a theory which others have claimed to refute.

When I attack “big government” from a libertarian stand, the incorrect response would be to attack libertarianism. It would be a red herring. Thus, in attacking “recovered memories” you should not attack a group that wishes that women’s claims of abuse not be dismissed so quickly.

That make sense?

first of all, your word “anecdote” is simply wrong. The cite says, “many.”

Second, you are disputing my cite by making an ad hominem claim that the source is a “crank,” but your attack on him has no cite. :rolleyes:

But, in all fairness, tomndebb, your argument is the epitome of fairness, compared to pldennison, who disparages the writer of my cite as a “cult guy” because he writes about cults. :smack:

By the same token, we should ignore Cecil, because he’s an “ignorance guy.” :smiley:

I almost admire pl’s clever use of the term “unsupported website.” In other words, I had support for my POV and he had no support to contradict it.

BTW tomndebb and pldennison, you haven’t claimed that I’m wrong about feminist support for the theory recoverred memory. In fact, I have read a book by Elizabeth Loftus and several articles in the Skeptical Inquirer about this topic, and I know that my assertion is widely supported.

eris

Quite right, and withdrawn. I conflated your remarks with stoli’s.

Because there is a manifest difference ibetween disagreeing with the particulars of a thing and calling it “second-rate” and “backwards.”

I started a new thread in order to avoid completely derailing the debate on the discipline of women’s studies. This thread intended to concentrate on its theory.

I objected to december’s dismissal of the theory and asked for further clarification in anticipation of more nuanced disagreement.

Here is a likely scenario that I wish to avoid.

M: Feminism does not “take a step backwards” due to reasons X, Y, and Z. (Which post costs M more than a little time and effort)
d: Yeah, well, ain’t none of them are Plato, so your argument is bunk.

Hence I have tried to anticipate this by asking for some baseline criteria, since the original objection is december’s.

I can put forward a positive case for feminist theory, sure. But as I remarked earlier, that gives december unlimited leeway to disagree. Quite frankly, there is just no reason to engage in a discussion on these terms.

Those are not the only alternatives. I would dispute the entire notion of “forwards” and “backwards” with regards to human intellectual enterprises. However, for the purposes of a closed debate, I wanted to use whatever system december was working in. It still seems fair to me. He objects and states his case, I counterobject and state mine.

If he doesn’t want to discuss this, all he has to do is say so. He made the objection, I started the thread to avoid a hijack, and it has gone to all sorts of unforseen terrain. Well, not entirely unforseen, I suppose.

MR

Here is a page with some links to articles and other resources that discuss Feminist Critical Theory.

Women’s Studies Resources- Feminist Theory

With respect to the issue of “unique tools” etc. I will reiterate my previous observation/opinion that methodologically I do not believe there is a discernable difference between “feminist” investigative tools in the furtherance of knowledge and that of any of the other sociological/historical/economic branches of academic endeavor. I think the question is more one of the utility and/or desirability of focusing these gender centric endeavors under the umbrella of a separate department, versus letting them be investigated within the boundaries of existing departments and their associated disciplines.

IMO it’s really (or should be) more of an organizational issue than a battle over the investigative power of a unique feminist theoretical perspective. This is really turning into a snark hunt.

I’ve been a subscriber to SI for years, december. You truly don’t want to go that avenue.

Does your cult guy present a single policy or position statement from a single feminist organization – NOW, FFL, FMF, Ms. Magazine, anyone – stating support for recovered memory? No. Not one.

Does your cult guy present a single policy or position statement from any individual feminist of note – Friedan, Steinem, Paglia, Sommers, Faludi, anyone – expressing support for recovered memory? No. Not one.

The only support he offers for his assertion is, well, his assertion. The only support you offer for your assertion is, well, his assertion.

So, absent a single statement from a single feminist organization or a notable individual feminist, we are simply to accept his assertion that there is widespread support among feminists for face-value acceptance of recovered memory accusations? Uh-uh. Sorry. You’re gonna have to do a lot better than that.

I fail to believe for even a moment that an allegedly educated man does not understand this, and can only believe, as others have come to recognize, that this is your standard response when you step in it big time and refuse to take the graceful way out.

Produce one such statement for me, please. Just one. I’ll even give you a headstart: You won’t find one at NOW.org, because there isn’t one there.

Not too bad, **erislover **. However, you missed an inference here:

These cannot be separated. Many (probably most) of the claims of recovered memory are memories of alleged sex abuse. Supporting these claims of sex abuse means supporting the validity of recovered memory.

The trouble is, for me to prove that a certain group have a lesser regard for the truth, I need to consider one issue at a time. Also, the fact that sexual abuse is bad should not insulate from attack those who support theories leading to false claims of sexual abuse.

Maeglin, I am sympathetic to your desire to set in advance a “system for discussion.” Unfortunately, I simply don’t know how to do that.

I invite you to put forward a positive case for feminist theory. If it turns out that our discussion is hampered by the use of different systems of discussion, well, we can deal with that problem when it arises.

pl – I don’t have a copy of Loftus’s book, which I read some time ago, “The Myth of Recovered Memory.” Perhaps you have read some of her articles in SI. To identify the book’s content from online sources, I relied on reviewer comments in amazon.com

*<< However, the reason the repressed memory of sexual abuse scenario became such a wide spread phenomenon in this country was not simply because it gave feminists power. That alone would not have done it. The hysteria was empowered by financial gain. Laws in many states were rewritten to restart the statute of limitations to begin at the time the “repressed memories” were conjured up, not when the alleged crimes took place (pp. 173-74). Now people could go after their parents many years after the fact, after the parents had made their retirement egg, and get some of it! This potential gain brought in the lawyers. For the therapists it meant that the therapeutic sessions on the couch and the group indoctrination sessions could be dragged on and on until the insurance money ran out. (The literature shows just how fast therapists typically dumped their clients when they could no longer pay.) Carol Tavris is quoted by the authors on page 220: “The problem is…their effort to create victims-to expand the market that can then be treated with therapy and self-help books.”

What backfired on the male-hating feminists was the realization from their more astute sisters that this repressed memory/sex crime/satanic abuse scenario just made victims and incest survivors out of women and effectively continued their subjugation to the patriarchy. As Tavris puts it: women were encouraged “to incorporate the language of victimhood and survival into the sole organizing narrative of their identity…” (p. 221)>> *

This review says that the book says that feminists (among others) had a lot to do with the spread of repressed memory claims. That’s just what I remember from reading it. Another review says,

<<If these confused, illogical, witch-hunting zealots denounced me for coming to scientific conclusions that were incompatible with their current politically correct dogma, and if they angrily insisted that that proves I’m anti-feminist, pro-child abuse, etc., I tend to think I’d be considerably less patient and conciliatory with them than is Dr. Loftus.>>

Again, confirming that this book blames feminists (among others,) for the unfortunate spread of repressed memory claims.

So, I have now produced an indepedent cite supporting my other cite. And, the author is someone who gets published in SI and whose books have gotten good reviews there. OK?

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Is it just me, or are we tremendously far afield from where this thread started? december, have you yet addressed what makes feminist academic thought in general so second-rate? Before you start talking about recovered memories–and even ceding that point, for the sake of argument–remember tom~'s point about fiscal conservatism, and Maeglin’s about Plato. Why is feminist academic thought qua feminist academic thought so inherently inferior, in your opinion? Why is it worthy of being singled out for scorn and condescension when, say, film theory or classics or sociology are not?

Do you really think that the feminists just kinda came around after all the “good” or “legitimate” modes of thinking were already taken, and just kind of fashioned an ersatz one of their own?

December
As usual, you take what could possibly be an interesting point and try to fit it on a bumper sticker.

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This is false. While feminist theory does bear a great deal of responsibility for the repressed memory craze, It is simply untrue that no feminist is willing to challenge this silliness. Elaine Showalter certainly has. Here’s a cite even you ought to accept.
http://www.nationalreview.com/01sept97/sailer090197.html

Mandelstam
I’ll try and come back to some of your points later, but let me quickly respond to a few. First, I’d disagree with your assertion that a women’s right to study law was taken for granted forty years ago. IIRC, some American law schools did not admit women until 1972.

Second, what I mean by “cycling through the system” is simply this. Let’s say that in 1972 woman had full access to a legal education in America. (This isn’t really true. I don’t believe that female enrollment caught up to male enrollment until at least the mid 1980s.) The fact that women now have equal access to legal education does not, obviously, instantly translate to having four or five women on the U.S. Supreme Court. However, as time passes, and this wave of women makes its way through their legal carreers, more and more women will become judges. The same thing is true in other areas. More female graduate students means, eventually, more female academics, etc.

As for the value of the study of, say, medieval poetry, I’d first point out as an historical aside that the entire field of English Literature was derided as “the novel-reading degree” when first introduced at Oxford and Cambridge around the turn of the last century. Nonetheless, there is value in such studies. For example, it made possible Seamus Heaney’s recent translation of Beowulf. What has the women’s studies movement done for me lately? :wink:

With respect to Sokol’s article, I’m afraid you just don’t get it. Sokol did nothing but mimic the turgid style of cultural studies scholarship by throwing in a series of random, disconnected quotations. Social Text could not have “understood” what he was saying because he was saying precisely nothing. The argument that “we aren’t physicists so we didn’t understand it” is simply pathetic. First, it wasn’t a physics article. It was nothing but a hodge-podge of physics buzz words and cultural studies buzz words. The Social Text editors actually thought, presumably, that the cultural studies buzz words actually made some sort of sense.

Second, this defense leaves us with two equally damning possibilities 1) Cultural studies journals are willing to publish crap that they don’t understand. or 2) Cultural studies journals think they understand crap that doesn’t actually make any sense. Neither of these are a ringing defense of the high intellectual standards of cultural studies scholarship.

december: Please provide an example or two of any respected feminist academic(s) who is/are defending repressed memories in the face of evidentiary problems. Indeed, please provide an example or two of any feminist academic doing any work at all on repressed memories so we can familiarize ourself with this issue in a more substantive way. If you can’t do that, please admit that you’ve failed utterly to connect this particular issue to your otherwise completely unsupported assertions about a) feminist scholarship and b) today’s universities (which you now seem to imply–preposterously–are, as a group, against truth and for ignorance).

FTR, according to your definition of a “feminist academic” I am a feminist academic. Speaking, therefore, as a feminist academic who at various points in her career, has worked at different kinds of institutions in several US cities and in the UK I believe I can say with a sense of conviction that I have never in my life seen evidence of–to cite from your post "[a]n unwritten law in the women’s movement [which] dictates that we must accept every claim of sexual abuse by another woman, or else we are not being supportive of survivors."

Personally speaking, I take it as a matter of course that some people who claim sexual abuse in childhood will be mistaken.

The issue of sexual abuse is, of course, grave as the current church scandals will remind us. But, speaking as one example of a feminist academic, sexual abuse is in almost every respect as tangential to my interest in feminist work as is, say, child abuse. To wit, contrary to your tacit assumption, feminist scholarship is not unified by some monomaniacal crusade against sexual abuse and still less by a hatred of men.

I must also point out that in my published work on feminist issues and in every other regard, I strive for factual accuracy; if someone were to discover factual inaccuracies in any work of mine I would immediately take steps to correct them.

If you have any evidence of any feminist academic who, unlike me, recognizes the so-called “unwritten law” attributed (vaguely) to “mainstream” feminism, or who, unlike me, disregards factual accuracy in his/her work, please cite them here. Otherwise I think you’ve shown again and again and again that you have nothing at all to say on the subject of academic feminism that qualifies as legitimate debate.

astro: * With respect to the issue of “unique tools” etc. I will reiterate my previous observation/opinion that methodologically I do not believe there is a discernable difference between “feminist” investigative tools in the furtherance of knowledge and that of any of the other sociological/historical/economic branches of academic endeavor. I think the question is more one of the utility and/or desirability of focusing these gender centric endeavors under the umbrella of a separate department, versus letting them be investigated within the boundaries of existing departments and their associated disciplines.
IMO it’s really (or should be) more of an organizational issue than a battle over the investigative power of a unique feminist theoretical perspective. This is really turning into a snark hunt.*

astro, I’m sorry but I can’t really follow your logic here. I agree that, as a cross-disciplinary endeavor, feminist research has much in common with the sociological, historical and other disciplinary methods on which it draws and does not offer a discrete set of unique tools. However what is original to feminist research is precisely what you’re calling “gender centric endeavors”–which is to say, what makes feminist research identifiable as feminist research is the focus on gender.

What feminist researches are very often arguing is that the focus on gender adds something that wasn’t understood before. Hence, Scott’s chapter on Thompson’s The Making of the English Working Class changes the way that class is understood by removing the unintentional assumption that that working class was composed of men; it thus enriches understanding of the working-class history. Hence Kabeer’s study of gender in development policy in the third world shows how the UN and other well-meaning organizations inadvertently make counterproductive moves because they insufficiently attend the social reality of women in these countries. Hence Willis’s study of American culture shows how gendering–for men and women both–is central to our understanding of ourselves as consumers, as citizens, as Americans and so forth. The common thread here is what gender adds to understanding.

Now if your point is that such an understanding can be added simply by having researchers interested in gender working within various disciplines, I don’t disagree. The great majority of feminist research is being conducted in precisely that way: outside of Women Studies departments and within more traditional disciplines, as well other kinds of cross-disciplinary programs (e.g., area studies, development studies).

Now it’s quite possible that you’re actually saying what I just said–I can’t really tell. Because some of what you’re saying sounds as though your suspicious of the importance of considering gender, while some of what you’re saying sounds as though you simply feel as though it’s best done outside of Women Studies departments.

If the latter is your point I think there are some good reasons (some of which have been said in the other thread) for why their should be programs combining researchers from various disciplines whose common interest is the focus on sex/gender. As I said before, I’d prefer for such programs to be called “Gender Studies” rather than “Women Studies” but, again, I wholeheartedly support any kind of program that gives place to feminist scholarship which I continue to find illuminating, important and, where empirical claims are being made, factually accurate.

I cannot fathom why when one credit uses the term “many” december thinks that this is evidence that women’s studies is a wholesale supporter of recovered memory.

First of all, it’s a cognitive psychology concept also prevalent in psychotherapy and clinical pyschology. Every criticism you have ever leveled at women’s studies on the basis of RMOSA support must also be leveled against psychology. By your reasoning.

Second of all, one cirtic writing an opinion piece is not sufficient evidence for a board of this calibre. What would be? Well, maybe peer-reviewed research that gives an educated estimate as to the number women’s studies scholars who support RMOSA to an extent that isn’t matched by the APA. For example.

I have done only the slightest bit of reading into RMOSA and so far, everything I have found both pro- and con- has been in the field of psychology, some of it coming from medical schools. I don’t understand where you are looking that women’s studies is so tightly woven into this field or responsible for its prevalence. Help me out, I’m obviously at some disadvantage being here at this particular University.

And as for the elephant analogy, that’s getting us back on track. It is no mistake that scholars from different fields look at the world differently. That’s one of the things that defines a discipline, frankly. Just because we can make a dopey joke out of it doesn’t make it a revelation. Economists think like economists. Historians think like historians. They all have lenses. Just because women’s studies has a lens doesn’t make it lame.