# december: Why? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 19, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690 "2003-01-19T22:12:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/21 "2003-01-20T04:43:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > \*\*Actually, I did some peripheral checking for Chumpsky while I was doing my december search, and he didnt’ come close. > \*\* While Chumpsky is nowhere near december in sheer thread-starting numbers, he’s got december beat in a variety of other unpalatable habits, like plagiarism, intellectual theft, and unprovoked flaming. As least D doesn’t steal other people’s work and is relatively polite. However, I suspect we won’t have the Chumpster to kick around anymore. Still, 43 threads in 60 days? That’s ridiculous. I don’t think I’ve started half that many GD threads in three YEARS. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/22 "2003-01-20T05:10:57Z")
You know, two or three months ago I was starting to think that maybe **december** had snapped out of it. He wasn’t starting pointless threads with the same febrile aggressiveness, and he actually put some thought into engaging others in meaningful discussion. Was I hallucinating, or was **december** actually coming across as rational? Now, sadly, he’s back to his old tricks, and worse than ever, to judge by the spectactuarly inane thread on feminism vs. Islam — as futile and dense as ever. I guess he went through an anomalous lucid spell. Maybe we could have a glimmer of hope to encourage this side of him to peek out from under the mountains of rubbish he fills his head with. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/23 "2003-01-20T05:59:51Z")
Perhaps December starts so many threads because he feels like he has to hold up the fort for his side? If you added up all the threads with a partisan left slant, and all the ones with a right-wing slant, I think you’d find there’s a similar number. But half the ones on the right are started by December. He’s a one man playing field leveller. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/24 "2003-01-20T07:18:37Z")
Does that mean that the SDMB right wing is lazy? Disinterested? So filled with hubris that it believes it side needs no defending or explaining? Thoughts to ponder. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/25 "2003-01-20T10:21:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > \*\*Does that mean that the SDMB right wing is lazy? Disinterested? So filled with hubris that it believes it side needs no defending or explaining? \*\* Well, the ongoing mantra favored by this administration, _“with us or against us,”_ is not exactly conducive to debate, is it? **december** is just a constant reminder of that slogan. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/26 "2003-01-20T11:15:08Z")
> [@](#): > > But half the ones on the right are started by December. He’s a one man playing field leveller. At least the ones on the left are started with a bit more actual information, and not what Rush was talking about on yesterdays show. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/27 "2003-01-20T11:33:31Z")
Yes - **december** did seem to take a very welcome break in his bizarre posting for a while. And now he’s back. ---
**Author:** ![Coil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Coil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coil)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/28 "2003-01-20T12:04:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*At least the ones on the left are started with a bit more actual information, and not what Rush was talking about on yesterdays show. \*\* Uhmm, I am not sure I agree with that statement. As a somewhat unbiased European I can certainly see quite a few leftie OPs that do not contain any actual information either. One easy way to do this is to search for threads with GWB in the topic. Quite a few of those are just rants about how stupid Bush is and how wrong he is on a certain topic. I for one find **December´s** posts interesting at times and I admire him for keeping up the fight despite the opposition he is faced with at times. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by nogginhead_It’s clear no one will be convinced by the “arguments” that december puts forward. So it’s just preaching to the converted and antagonizing the opposition, right?\*\* I am sure this is true for both sides in a lot of (perhaps most) debates on this board. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/29 "2003-01-20T12:51:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by istara \* > \*\*Yes - **december** did seem to take a very welcome break in his bizarre posting for a while. > > And now he’s back. \*\* IIRC he was given a warning by the mods in one of the pit threads. I often just avoid him and ignore his threads. I still remember some of the first few times I locked horns with december. In one thread he vehemently defended for some days that Al Qaeda prisoners were to be considered prisoners of war and gave all sorts of reasons for it. Then the government and the president came out and said that Al Qaeda prisoners would not be afforded the status of POW and, instantly, december changed his tune. His only justification was pretty much along the lines of “I trust the president knows what’s best”. How can you argue with that? december is totally lacking is reasoning ability. He believes things on pure faith and he is just witnessing. There is no point in trying to reason with him. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/30 "2003-01-20T13:35:13Z")
> [@](#): > > _sailor_ > december is totally lacking is reasoning ability. He believes things on pure faith and he is just witnessing. I disagree. He knows exactly what he’s doing. In this mode he’s not a witness, he’s a propagandist. But, yeah, he was better for a couple of months. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/31 "2003-01-20T13:53:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hawthorne \* > \*\*I disagree. He knows exactly what he’s doing. In this mode he’s not a witness, he’s a propagandist. \*\* So how do you explain the fact that he defended a certain position because he thought that is what the government would do and when the government does the opposite, he changes his mind and defends the government’s position? I think trying to reason with someone like that is a total waste of time as the only way he will change his mind is if the government does. There have been other examples where you can see he is just pigheaded and immune to _any_ kind of evidence. The one where he claimed the Cuban government forced children into prostitution comes to mind. In spaite of the entire board telling him it made no sense, he just would not budge one inch. He is absolutely fanatical in his beliefs and I have _never_ found he has learnt anything. He just preaches and witnesses like any other fanatic and no amount of evidence or reason will make him budge one inch. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/32 "2003-01-20T16:00:11Z")
> [@](#): > > So how do you explain the fact that he defended a certain position because he thought that is what the government would do and when the government does the opposite, he changes his mind and defends the government’s position? Maybe he’s a shill for George Orwell? ---
**Author:** ![nogginhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5e9695/32.png) [@nogginhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogginhead)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/33 "2003-01-20T17:28:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > **December makes good points. We need both sides. I even like those nut case fundies. I like the communists ---- sorry, I mean liberals. I even like the people who trash me.** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by stpauler \* > \*\*Right on **BeatenMan** , I tend to disagree on most of the issues presented by him, but I’m really glad he’s here. Great Debates would just suck if we all agreed and we didn’t have viewpoints that represent a lot of people (and there are a lot of people who’d agree with December’ viewpoints {and no, i don’t have a cite for that, but I think that it’s a pretty obvious statement}).I’d like to thank December for being a part of this board. Thanks. > > (so much for a pit response) \*\* I agree that it takes two sides to have a conversation and that it’s great to have so many more-or-less reasonable people around these parts. And I especially like the fundies… it’s great to see how these people think without being trapped in a room with them physically. I disagree that december makes good points, though as has been pointed out, he has some posts that are reasonably fair. Most of his points are unreasoning parrotings of Rush or his odious ilk. Which leads me to also challenge the unsupported claim that lots of people agree with him. I think lots of people are truly right, but I suspect that the only people who really agree with the straight-ahead propaganda are already calling in to the idiot-right talk shows. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/34 "2003-01-20T18:27:37Z")
**december** makes me laugh. He talks so much about his wife and his cousin’s black wife that I feel like I know him personally. Plus, we live in the same state, not that far from each other (his wife actually works up the street from me…I bet she and I know some of the same people…if we know each other, it wouldn’t be a shocker). I like thinking that every white man on the street that I see is **december**. I think if I actually knew the guy in real life, he would be my friend. The kind of friend that you talk about behind his back, but a friend that you invite to lunch nontheless. (I always find myself defending him in these Pit threads, and yet debating him in his own threads. How strange is that?) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/35 "2003-01-20T18:36:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > \*\*Does that mean that the SDMB right wing is lazy? Disinterested? So filled with hubris that it believes it side needs no defending or explaining? \*\* No. As PJ O’Rourke would put it, “we have jobs.” 😃 Yes, I know, I’m between jobs myself right now, but I couldn’t resist… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/36 "2003-01-20T19:08:16Z")
[sub]You didn’t try.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/37 "2003-01-20T20:06:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*At least the ones on the left are started with a bit more actual information, and not what Rush was talking about on yesterdays show. \*\* I’m not sure…I’d have to do some research…but this _may_ be the single most idiotically partisan statement ever made in the history of the internet. C’mon **Twist** , tell me you mispoke. We’ve talked on other topics and I’m having trouble believing that you meant this the way it came out. Are you honestly claiming that some of the morons on the SDMB who channel [democrats.com](http://democrats.com)\* and regurgitate whatever the headline is, or when Chas E. claiming that George W. Bush had a mind-control accent, or when Chronolicht was claiming that anyone who’d ever owned a gun secretly wanted to murder infants, etc are somehow possessed of “more actual information” than whatever **December** ’s current drivel is? There are idiots on both sides of the fence. Fenris \*note: [democrats.com](http://democrats.com) is not affiliated with or representative of the Democratic Party. They’re the ones who opposed the idea of a new moon-landing 'cause it might damage the moon’s orbit. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/38 "2003-01-20T20:15:02Z")
I get the feeling most of the righties on the board are extremely embarassed by **december** , much like us lefties are embarassed by **Chumpsky**. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/39 "2003-01-20T20:19:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*No. As PJ O’Rourke would put it, “we have jobs.” 😃 \*\* Whereas, I am now happily retired. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2003, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690/40 "2003-01-20T20:34:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*I get the feeling most of the righties on the board are extremely embarassed by **december** , much like us lefties are embarassed by **Chumpsky**. \*\* I fully agree. I know _I’m_ embarassed by many of **december** ’s posts. My big objection to **Twisty** ’s post was his “our idiots are more informed than yours”-type comment Fenris [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-why/149690.md?page=3)