# december you ignorant slut **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2001, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920 "2001-10-27T03:36:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2001, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/41 "2001-10-29T11:42:39Z")
Sometimes ‘droll’ doesn’t come across terribly well on a message board but, in this instance, I think **Lib’s** got it nicely pegged. BTW, I find \*\* Mandelstam\*\* to be a particularly good and clear poster. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2001, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/42 "2001-10-29T14:50:34Z")
> [@](#): > > They may not always understand how the world works, but their hearts are in the right place. Geez, by saying this, I think that december was actually trying to toss the liberals a compliment. I do see a lot of this thread as a pack of liberals picking on a conservative, so I may as well try and help some. I would think that this attitude is actually worth discussing. I find many liberals, but not all or even most, have that certain naive attitude of “let them eat cake”. Just this weekend I had a conversation with a woman who was opposed to nuclear power, and quite appalled that I didn’t share her view. When asked what her solution to our energy needs would be, she suggested simply conservation would solve all of our problems. This stikes me as a perfect example of a certain liberal attitude of good intentions, that are not always grounded in reality. I think that all liberals having this attitude is an unfair stereotype, but not an entirely unfounded one. _ **running for cover** _ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2001, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/43 "2001-10-29T15:55:08Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by Guinistasia_ > And there are a great many conservatives on this board that, while I STRONGLY disagree with them, I also have great respect for them and enjoy talking with them, such as Fenris, John Corrado or erislover I just wanted to say thank you, and I have respect for and enjoy talking/debating with you as well. (I can be happy/feely in the Pit. It’s one of the perks of being a Mod.) ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2001, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/44 "2001-10-29T17:38:55Z")
I’ve always liked december, with all those fun holidays… [sub]sorry[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/45 "2001-10-31T14:26:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Collounsbury \* > > Liberal pile on? > > > > Give me a motherfucking break, Izzy. My complaint with december, and it strikes me that it is more or less the same as Guins, is precisely the same as that with stoid – both pass every single fucking fact through their ideological distortion screen with little demonstrated capacity at clear analysis. It’s not his \* tactics \* it’s his lack of intellectual honesty. > > I have to disagree, **Coll** (much as that pains me :D). Absolutely, in some debates, **december** has cut corners, but then again we all have - I know for myself that there have been many times in GD where I vaguely recall X fact or Y stat, but have no clue where I recall it from and, as I’m typing the post, I’m chanting in my mind “please no one challenge me on this, please no one challenge me on this.” But, in general, **december** has struck me as a thinking conservative - certainly not on **Freedom’s** level, but very few people are. > > What has struck me is that liberals on these boards have attacked **december** in cases where they have obviously not read what he wrote. Two examples stick in my mind. > > The first was in a thread concerning the revelation that the Bush Administration’s allegations that Clintonites had vandalized the White House before leaving office were false. **december** came in and said to the effect, “I’m a conservative, but the allegations were outrageous.” Later in the thread, **december** got attacked for blindly supporting the Bushies. > > A second one was in a thread about gay discrimination. **Hastur** posted some statistic about the percentage of gays in America. **december** questioned the stats, but said that any discrimination based on sexual orientation was wrong. Because he questioned the stats, he was labelled a homophobe. > > Yes, **december** can be overbearing and condescending. Yes, I disagree with about 90% of what he writes. But no, I do not think he is intellectually dishonest, and I enjoy locking horns with him. > > Sua \*\* I stand corrected. **december** is a fucking moron who ignores facts that disagree with his ideological bent. Please disregard the above defense of him - I was simply wrong. My apologies. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/46 "2001-10-31T14:45:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*That’s why we libertarians exist, to mitigate those two extremes called liberal and conservative. \*\* Testify. It is entirely possible to be outside the conventional debate. To be absolutely for the cause of liberty (freedom of action, speech, etc) while being aware that all things have costs and that fact places limits on actions. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/47 "2001-10-31T17:53:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > > I stand corrected. **december** is a fucking moron who ignores facts that disagree with his ideological bent. Please disregard the above defense of him - I was simply wrong. My apologies. > > Sua Not good enough. You must now perform the Ancient Tasmanian Ritual of Self-Abasement, accompanied by a chorus of bitter virgins, intoning dirges of woe and humiliation. So let it be written. So let it be done. ---
**Author:** ![SqrlCub](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SqrlCub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SqrlCub)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/48 "2001-10-31T19:29:03Z")
My problem with december is that when he starts losing an argument he starts in with personal attacks. I have seen it many times but will only add the one time our paths ever crossed. From [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84031](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84031) ## " quote: ## Originally posted by JRDelirious And december, I’m confident that there is no real risk that the reputable RA consortia will start accrediting astrology programs right and left… If SqrlCub is making the decisions, there will be a lot of accreditiations" Which sure sounds like a personal attack to me and later follows it with: ## " quote: Originally posted by SqrlCub Do you know what my actual job is? Many of the DC area people do. Take a guess. * * * OK, I’ll take a guess. Is W your middle initial?" Which sure sounds like another personal attack. I stopped reading the thread immediately after I saw december’s original attack. That took it out of debate form to me and into a personal level attack mode. Not a sign of a good debator for me. And for what it is worth now. I work for the US Department of Education though not directly with the accreditation of programs. HUGS! Sqrl Ps. No Hugs for you december and for what it is worth, vanilla either. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/49 "2001-10-31T22:27:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > > I stand corrected. **december** is a fucking moron who ignores facts that disagree with his ideological bent. Please disregard the above defense of him - I was simply wrong. My apologies. > > Sua Understood. Outside of political topics he’s merely illogical and stubborn. Perhaps not even that bad. He’s certainly not Peace – recall my minor dispute with him – but he is a discredit to the board in regards to engaging an argument in logical, rational manner. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/50 "2001-11-01T00:07:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SqrlCub \* > \*\*My problem with december is that when he starts losing an argument he starts in with personal attacks. I have seen it many times but will only add the one time our paths ever crossed… > > \*Originally posted by SqrlCub \*December wrote “If SqrlCub is making the decisions, there will be a lot of accreditations [of schools of astrology].” > > Which sure sounds like a personal attack to me…\*\* SC had previously written in part: > [@](#): > > It doesn’t matter if you agree with it [astrology] or not. It is a legitmate trade and there are plenty of things that go into it. It is not be a trade like hairdressing or truckdriving but more a trade like bartending. Yes, some bartending schools receive federal financial aid also. > > Basically by saying one is against federally funding a certain trade school, one says that the trade isn’t valuable. Again, if there is a trade school for it then there are most likely jobs that can be filled by it as well. No single individual nor group of individuals has the right to say that one can not become a hairdresser, truck driver, bartender, or astrologer and make money at it… [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84031](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84031) SQ’s post went on at length in this vein apparently making arguments in favor of accrediting schools of astrology. My comment alluded to what seemed to be his/her express position. BTW SC might have mentioned that I had apologized on that other thread. On 8/30/2001, I posted, “I took the above to mean that you’d be willing to accredit a school of. Sorry I misunderstood you.” \*\* > [@](#): > > ## …and later follows it with: " quote: > > Originally posted by SqrlCub > Do you know what my actual job is? Many of the DC area people do. Take a guess. > > * * * > > OK, I’ll take a guess. > > Is W your middle initial?" > > Which sure sounds like another personal attack. \*\*This was meant purely as a joke. I thought there was some humor in the concept of this President spending his time on the Straight Dope message boards. I never imagined that it would be seen as an attack. ---
**Author:** ![SqrlCub](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SqrlCub](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SqrlCub)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/51 "2001-11-01T16:10:14Z")
It didn’t sound like a joke since it follows your previous attacking tones. Your apology is moot when you finish the thread off with an attack. You are a bad person with debate skills that are sometimes ok, but when you lose you resort to personal attacks which isn’t good. And if it matters, religious schools are accredited and receive financial aid. So what, the point of a trade is giving someone the necessary skills and credentials to get a job afterwards. There is not much else required for accreditation really. You are as bad a person as vanilla. And for what it is worth, I won’t read this anymore so you can continue whining about it all you want. Obviously I am not the only one who thinks you are a bad person. Sqrl ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/52 "2001-11-01T18:18:50Z")
**Squrl** - in your first post where you quote the exchange about “is your middle intitial W” and said you felt insulted, my reaction was ‘huh?’, since it seemed clear to me that since **december** in general is a conservative: his reference to “W” is most likely to be GW Bush, he is not one of the posters who routinely refer to Bush as some near neanderthal, was probably meant in a gentle jest, as in seeing a heated debate, poking gentle fun, ie not intending an insult to you. It’s also clear that you felt it was an insult. Just thought you’d appreciate hearing that others (and those who are not generally on his side) didn’t see it as an insult. Now, the remark about liberals having a faulty world view, that’s clearly an insult… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/53 "2001-11-04T22:38:09Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=96443](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=96443) It’s like watching a trainwreck. I’m starting to feel sorry for him-he just never gives up-he just keeps smashing his head against that brick wall, no matter how bloody he gets. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/54 "2001-11-04T22:50:17Z")
My latest theory is that he’s really **Wildest Bill** , since I always believed that a good portion of **WB** was a put on. The biggest similarity is the whole : **december/wb** : A is true, D is true and therefore 123 is true. Poster 1: A isn’t true. Here’s proof. Poster 2. D isn’t true, either, here’s proof. Poster 3. And, even if A and D are true, it doesn’t follow that 123 is true. **december/wb** Nananabooboo I don’t care. I know that 123 is true, and besides you can’t prove that A isn’t completely false and D is almost 2% true, which is similar to it being 100% true, etc. I rest my case ya’ll. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2001, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/55 "2001-11-05T20:07:38Z")
In both the “Democrat corruption” thread and the “Newt on drugs” thread, **december** has acknowledged that the opposing position is the logical one, yet he keeps debating. In Great Debates, _logic wins._ Ergo, ya putz, you’ve admitted defeat already, so shut up, already. Sua ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/56 "2001-11-06T01:46:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*My latest theory is that he’s really **Wildest Bill** , since I always believed that a good portion of **WB** was a put on. > > The biggest similarity is the whole : > > **december/wb** : A is true, D is true and therefore 123 is true. > > Poster 1: A isn’t true. Here’s proof. > Poster 2. D isn’t true, either, here’s proof. > Poster 3. And, even if A and D are true, it doesn’t follow that 123 is true. > > **december/wb** Nananabooboo I don’t care. I know that 123 is true, and besides you can’t prove that A isn’t completely false and D is almost 2% true, which is similar to it being 100% true, etc. > > I rest my case ya’ll. 😃 \*\* Wildest Bill would never have used the word “magnamimously” correctly, which I have seen december do. I shall never forget bill’s “virus anecdotes.” I still chuckle whenever I think of it. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920/57 "2001-11-06T03:00:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > > Now, the remark about liberals having a faulty world view, that’s clearly an insult… \*\* It wasn’t quite intended as an insult, although I can see that it sure looks like one. I meant to address the philosophical question of how we explain to ourselves why some people don’t see things our way. E.g., liberals and conservatives tend to differ on many issues. One can say, "Oh, THOSE people are evil! THEY want to starve children or send us into a depression or destroy the environment or eviscerate our military or subjugate minorities, etc. Or, one can say, “THOSE people are well-intentioned, but wrong about the consequences of the approach they believe in.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/december-you-ignorant-slut/89920.md?page=2)