Decentralization is incompatible with libertarianism

The OP is wrong. Libertarianism society is incompatible with a big country, period. A libertarian society would would break up a big country into entities similar to feudal kingdoms. Some would be run by an individual “strongman”, others would be run by cartels of rich people. If there is a central government, it will be something like the UN, impotent to do anything unless the most powerful members support it and provide an army to it.

My personal belief if that, once they control all the resources in their territories, whatever “pure” political motivations that might have had at one time will be put aside in pursuit of more and more control over everything and everyone within their reach. So their next goal would be, essentially, the elimination of the core libertarian principle of individual autonomy and independence. The people within their “kingdoms” will become property to be controlled and used as trade goods.

Eventually, some will come up with a radical idea – that everyone should have a say in how the system works.

May you should step outside. Nobody is watching your local PD because they most likely aren’t doing anything obnoxious like running around bombing funerals.

If they did something out of line, like shooting speeders, you could easily bring it to the attention of your local government. Do you have any examples of local PDs committing systematically heinous acts recently? Maybe a few down in Arizona but, relatively speaking, the total sum of local PD are responsible for less death and destruction than the federal government.

I’d disagree with the OP. If the United States (or some other country) were to switch over to a libertarian political system, there’s no reason they couldn’t switch over at the state and local levels as well as the national level.

Exactly. I’d be far more afraid of Sheriff Arpaio – as, in fact, in years past, I was afraid of San Diego County Sheriff John Duffy – than I am of David Petraeus. The CIA isn’t going to send goons to shove me around; the Sheriff has done so.

(Tonight’s events in Santa Ana are also suggestive.)

It’s not just my PD that I’m worried about. I’m also worried that Arizona’s PD might start shooting brown people on sight, Maryland’s PD is running a huge crack trafficking ring and some rogue PD in Montana has decided to invoke a race war by invading Canada.

Stated as fact, completely understood, and yet I still do not agree with any of these three sentences.

If bureaucracy is atrophy, internal power struggle is cancer.

Because they don’t have bombs or missiles. That doesn’t keep local PDs from doing everything from shooting innocent people to looting to torture. The main thing that stops them is the danger of the Feds cracking down on them; not the local government, which they are most likely buddies with and may well be ordering them to do so.

Good then you can provide me with some recent examples of such systematic abuses. Isolated incidents are going to happen. The CIA is involved with systematic abuses.

This is wild speculation. If local government encourages this type of behavior surely you could provide me with some examples.

Could you provide some cites? On the other hand it’s fairly well known the federal government’s involvement with extrajudicial prisons, drug trafficking, gun running, brown child murder, funeral bombing, not to mention widespread deception of the public in regards to WMD in Iraq all within the last few years. These are systematic problems. The public has no recourse against them because both parties support such programs.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. These are hypotheticals. The point is that I have some modicum of say in my central government, but pretty much none in other people’s local governments, even though I may have a stake in them.

When local governments oppress, it’s easier to move. Not so easy with a central government, especially one like ours that says you can’t take all your money with you when you go.

Excellent post.

That would work if we all lived in some utopia of self-contained and self-governed communities that happily chugged along without a care in the world.

But I (and you!) live in a world of nations. We live in a world of very big and important nations who do stuff like start wars. And I do not want some rogue police department across the country from me dragging my ass into a war by trying to invade Canada.

Anaheim.

Well, that’s not exactly satisfactory to a committed libertarian, is it? The agenda is not, “I want liberty and minimal goverment for me, where I am,” but “I want liberty and minimal government for everybody, everywhere.” For all humanity globally, if possible, which it isn’t, so the LP limits its demands to within America’s borders, but that is as far down as it limits them – isn’t it?

Well most Libertarians support those ideas for all but oppose forcing people (as groups diverse as the neocons and the Trotskyists argue) to accept them.

The widespread harassment of black men by constantly stopping-and-frisking them by the New York PD comes to mind. There’s been plenty of racial harassment all over the country by local police.

No, it’s history. It’s the norm, not the exception.

Ok we now have a concrete example. So how could this harassment be stopped? Elect a new mayor who promises to stop this policy. There were about 1.2 million ballots cast in the last mayoral election if I’m reading the chartcorrectly. Bloomberg won with about 585,000 votes.

Your job as a concerned New Yorker would be to convince around 586,000 voters that this technique isn’t improving safety.

69 million people voted for Barack Obama in 2008. Your job as someone who views the tactics of the CIA as immoral and injurious to our national security is to convince around 70 million people that this is true.

Setting aside the difference between frisking someone and bombing them, which situation seems more hopeless?

That isn’t really true. Libertarianism is a philosophy based on individual choice. Most libertarians want maximum freedom for themselves and their family but aren’t overly concerned with what everyone else does. You can have totalitarianism or even communism in pockets of libertarian society as long as the people that live there do so voluntarily. Think of a planned community with a very strong and strict Homeowners Association combined with a strict private school system for example. There is nothing in libertarianism philosophy that is against people forming those as long as they do so voluntarily.

And if that doesn’t work? If your plan was followed, segregation would still be the law over much of the country.