# Decision '08: Could New York turn red? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 16, 2008, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773 "2008-09-16T01:19:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/21 "2008-09-17T12:33:01Z")
> [@Spartydog](#): > > Actually, if the rumor mill is to be believed, Murdoch is not anti-Obama. He may even be pro-Obama. Apparently he was involved with some fundraising for Obama. The problem is Roger Ailes who runs Fox News. That doesn’t explain the Post. It was widely reported a few years ago that Murdoch had had something of a rapprochement with the Clintons, and what he feels about Obama is probably going to remain a mystery. He runs some tabloid newspapers and a borderline tabloid news station. If his editorial people hate the President, it’s _not_ a bad thing for business. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/22 "2008-09-17T13:12:20Z")
Rasmussen released new New York numbers yesterday. Obama, 55-42. I think NY is safe. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/23 "2008-09-17T16:18:17Z")
> [@Spartydog](#): > > Actually, if the rumor mill is to be believed, Murdoch is not anti-Obama. He may even be pro-Obama. Apparently he was involved with some fundraising for Obama. The problem is Roger Ailes who runs Fox News. Murdoch can’t tell him to back off or fire him or there will be a shitstorm about editorial interference. I don’t watch Fox but I’ve heard that O’Reilly has toned it down. > > Being the cynic that I am I suspect Rupert has bet that Obama very well may win and he doesn’t want the President of the U.S. to be his sworn enemy. That wouldn’t be good for business. Murdoch sometimes might push his agenda through the press, but the bottom line is money. Conservative news sells. Fox is the number one news network. It will stay conservative until that stops being a good business model, not when Murdoch changes his political views. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/24 "2008-09-17T17:16:50Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > FYI, [the New York Sun is saying the same thing,](http://www.nysun.com/new-york/poll-shows-new-york-is-possible-presidential/85853/) though I assume that’s the case of another tabloid trying not to get left behind by its fellow tabloid. The Sun is a broadsheet. Granted, it’s a right-leaning broadsheet - but it’s not a tabloid. It’s only about 24 pages long, has no entertainment section and no model photos or gossip. If rumors are true, the investors have pulled out and publication will cease at the end of the month. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2008, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/25 "2008-09-17T19:40:13Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Obama is up 15 points according to [RealClearPolitics](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ny/new_york_mccain_vs_obama-343.html). It’s just not going to happen. Which makes me wish I was a resident of a swing state, so that I could do more that just give Obama money. You know, a crisp fall weekend or two doorknocking in New Hampshire (or even New Jersey, in which the polls have tightened a bit) might be just the thing! But New York State? C’mon. It’s about as in the bag for Obama as it possibly can be. ---
**Author:** ![ajfrod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@ajfrod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ajfrod)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/26 "2008-09-21T16:32:34Z")
New York voted for Regan and Bush in the 80s ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/27 "2008-09-21T16:36:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No, it couldn’t. People asked on this board if Giuliani could do it and I think every NY Doper agreed that even that wasn’t going to happen. McCain will get a better turnout in New York than Giuliani would. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/28 "2008-09-21T16:37:24Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > McCain will get a better turnout in New York than Giuliani would. Would you care to explain this line of reasoning? He’s not going to come close to winning in any case. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/29 "2008-09-21T16:41:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Would you care to explain this line of reasoning? He’s not going to come close to winning in any case. No he’s not, but Giuliani is positively loathed by many New Yorkers. Very few think of him as America’s Mayor who stood up to the task on 9/11. To a large degree many people see his incompetence as being responsible for a greater number of rescue worker deaths on 9/11. For those that live in New York City. They remember his crusades against hot dog vendors, taxis, and ferrets. We also remember that ‘Giuliani Time’, is a euphemism for police brutality. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/30 "2008-09-21T16:42:42Z")
I live in New York City. 😉 I don’t see how that gets McCain better turnout, though. While Giuliani is very unpopular, his social views (the same ones that helped sink him in the primaries) are much more in line with most New Yorkers’ than McCain’s are. ---
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/31 "2008-09-21T16:43:24Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > McCain will get a better turnout in New York than Giuliani would. I agree. Where Rudy would have gotten maybe 30% of the vote, I think McCain will probably get 35%. Obama will win all of the New England states. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773/32 "2008-09-21T16:47:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I live in New York City. 😉 I don’t see how that gets McCain better turnout, though. While Giuliani is very unpopular, his social views (the same ones that helped sink him in the primaries) are much more in line with most New Yorkers’ than McCain’s are. Maybe. I think that Giuliani’s ill will in NYC would be a factor. Of course I don’t think McCain is going to win. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/decision-08-could-new-york-turn-red/463773.md?page=1)