# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2081 "2011-08-11T19:08:32Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Hey **Pizza** , I do think it’s a good idea for you to take a little break. I like the way you play, I wish more people here played with the energy and enthusiasm you have. You just took a little bus ride into crazytown there for a bit. I’m willing to give you the floor, and be quiet and show you respect and courtesy especially on your deathbed. In order for me to do that, I need you to not make me the subject of discussion with comments like “crazytown”. If I’m going to be quiet, please don’t discuss me especially in a derisive manner. Talk about your suspects. > [@](#): > > Either **Red** is lying or I am lying. Lynch one, if he turns up Town, lynch the other. We’re _guaranteed_ to net a scum out of this. _Guaranteed_. No, not if you’re both townie. ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2082 "2011-08-11T20:01:49Z")
> [@](#): > > No, not if you’re both townie. Which I’m starting to believe, I’m believing red because of his vote record, and Shadowfacts because his role and arguements just seem more town then scum to me. I don’t feel comfortable voting for either one of them right now. However, I will refrain from locking my votes in case of any last minute voting irregularities. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2083 "2011-08-11T20:03:16Z")
Well, Shadowfacts has slipped to about third in my wish list of death, but I do think he’s a better choice than Red Skeezix. And if someone on the Skeezix vote list feels strongly enough otherwise, by all means do what you gotta do, just please be right. **unvote all** **vote: Shadowfacts** **vote: Shadowfacts** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2084 "2011-08-11T20:08:50Z")
Actually reading Shadowfacts’ case against me (and me and Red Skeezix still being the only people he has any interest in making a case on – and his having blocked Pizza last night instead of me) he’s back up at least one notch on the list of doom. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2085 "2011-08-11T20:11:48Z")
> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > Which I’m starting to believe, I’m believing red because of his vote record, and Shadowfacts because his role and arguements just seem more town then scum to me. > > I don’t feel comfortable voting for either one of them right now. However, I will refrain from locking my votes in case of any last minute voting irregularities. Why do you want to leave it to the scum to decide? You could at least justify one way or the other based on role (RS would probably come out on top) or participation (well, Shadow’s definitely been talking a lot). ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2086 "2011-08-11T20:33:03Z")
**Candidate 3: Weedy** Sorry, just about out of time, here, so this will have to be short. I don’t have anything super-specific, but his behavior has struck me as similar to \*\*Red Skeezix \*\*when I chose to block him: lurking and opportunistic voting. I’m not convinced of this by any means, but he’s worth taking a look at. ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2087 "2011-08-11T20:35:28Z")
Mainly since I am believing they are both town, and I don’t know who I would vote for on either one. Only way I could choose would be to flip a coin. And that isn’t a good way to choose. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2088 "2011-08-11T20:42:13Z")
Other candidates: In order to keep up with my own stuff, I have not been able to evaluate **Normal’s** case on **Mental Guy** and **Pizza’s** case on **Inner Stickler**. So, I have to stay officially neutral on those. (I will say again, though, that I view any case that relies heavily on outside sources like wikipedia, color, or D&D terminology to be suspect absent serious additional evidence.) **choie** reads like a newbie Town to me, though I wish she would participate more. I have no read on **Hirka T’Bawa** , **USCDiver** , or **gnarlycharlie**. Sorry. I have to believe **LightFoot** and **Pizza** are Town. Down any other path madness lies. **Stanislaus** reads Town to me, though that might be because he’s agreeing with me on **Skeezix**. 😛 I’m torn on **Suburban Plankton** , but overall I’d say I’ve got a 60/40 Town read on him. I think that’s everyone. Good luck, Town! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2089 "2011-08-11T20:44:46Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I’m willing to give you the floor, and be quiet and show you respect and courtesy especially on your deathbed. In order for me to do that, I need you to not make me the subject of discussion with comments like “crazytown”. If I’m going to be quiet, please don’t discuss me especially in a derisive manner. Talk about your suspects. Sorry, **Pizza** , no disrespect intended. Just a game, my friend. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2090 "2011-08-11T20:45:20Z")
I’m telling you there are other criteria, given that both are power roles, and different ones; and both have very different histories of participation and interaction with other players. I mean, I’m not sure I really want to try to force a decision here given that my preferred candidate is currently leading the totals and who knows what you do if someone held a gun to your head and said “choose”, but still. On what grounds do you think they are both town? Why change from voting SF earlier today to this? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2091 "2011-08-11T20:45:54Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Sorry, **Pizza** , no disrespect intended. Just a game, my friend. 🙂 I’m \*\*not \*\*offended, in fact I welcome that kind of banter as long as I can fire back. I’m not fair game if I am being quiet so others can think. Start accusing or joking in my direction, or talking to me directly, and I’ll talk back. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2092 "2011-08-11T20:50:29Z")
I’ve just gotten home from work and I realized I left my phone there, so I have to drive back a half hour each way to get it! FML! I haven’t had a chance to read through everything posted today, but I see by the latest vote count that \*\*Shadow \*\*is on the chopping block so locking in another vote on \*\*Red \*\*is not going to accomplish much at this late hour. I don’t see much merit in any of the other cases made Today, so I’ll let stand at one vote for the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2093 "2011-08-11T21:07:23Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I’ve just gotten home from work and I realized I left my phone there, so I have to drive back a half hour each way to get it! FML! > > I haven’t had a chance to read through everything posted today, but I see by the latest vote count that \*\*Shadow \*\*is on the chopping block so locking in another vote on \*\*Red \*\*is not going to accomplish much at this late hour. > > I don’t see much merit in any of the other cases made Today, so I’ll let stand at one vote for the Day. So you might be back before End of Day. It might be a good idea to check in, because this Day hasn’t been decided yet. I still have two votes to place (as my vote on \*\*Weedy \*\*is ceremonial at this point, \*\*Hirka \*\*has 2 votes he can use, and choie and \*\*Stanislaus \*\*are both sitting with 1 vote on **Red**. there are still plenty of votes available to swing this day either way without anyone jumping ship. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2094 "2011-08-11T21:08:46Z")
Crap…the Day is ending an hour early, isn’t it? We’ve only got 52 minutes left, right? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2095 "2011-08-11T21:15:00Z")
_muffled, angry noises_ ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2096 "2011-08-11T21:16:56Z")
What are you upset about? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2097 "2011-08-11T21:21:17Z")
Day ends in 39 minutes! ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2098 "2011-08-11T21:21:45Z")
**unvote Weedy vote Red Skeezix vote Red Skeezix** I still think that either **Red Skeezix** or \*\*ShadowFacts \*\*must be Scum. I’ve been trying all Day to find something that buts one above the other, or something that would exonerate them both, and I haven’t been able to do so. So I’m going with the one that has the most simple explanation Red was blocked on Night 3 and there was no Kill. Red was blocked on Night 4 and there was no Kill. Nothing that happeend on Nights 1 or 2 provides any evidence that a Vig exists in this game. What finally tipped the scales for me was \*\*USCDiver’s \*\*last post. He voted for \*\*Red \*\*in the first post of the Day, made a few arguments in support of that just after, and then disappeared. He popped in to make a vanilla Claim, then disappeared again until just a few minutes ago. If he were so sure of \*\*Red’s \*\*guilt, he would have placed a second vote. As I pointed out, this race is far from over, and his second vote might have been what was needed to push \*\*Red \*\*over the top. I think \*\*USCDiver \*\*is also Scum. He couldn’t flip his vote at this late stage with no explanation, but he didn’t want to risk putting \*\*Red \*\*closer to death, so he stood pat. I think it was a Scummy play intended to try to save his Scum buddy **Red**. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2099 "2011-08-11T21:23:58Z")
Oh I see. I think it’s tied now. What’s the tiebreaker again? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2100 "2011-08-11T21:25:00Z")
Also, can I vote you tomorrow on “creating ties late in a Day” is scummy, even though that was scum Zeriel’s rationale for half his votes last game? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=106)