# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2241 "2011-08-14T05:03:59Z")
Ok, I just reviewed your case against me, in post #2213… I’m still confused why I’ve suddenly become your lynch target number one. First, you were basing your arguments on “if” Red is scum (which I still have my doubts on, I’m going to wait on his report before I make a decision). One way or the other, still doesn’t explain why you want me all of a sudden. The first three posts you quote you mention as pro townie, including my attack on **Septimus** about his early vote, remember, one of these past days I did double vote him before it was known he was town. **Anyone have a list of last vote counts for people by night? Sorry, always been a bad note taker**. Your next comment is a post made right before I left for my NAPLEX, and at the beginning of the next day, you assume my “Go Town!!!” comments are an act, and I’m trying to bus Red, instead of letting the godfather **septimus** get lynched… While this can make some sort of sense (while false), remember I did double vote Septimus before. Why would I do that if I was on his team? And, what else is a townie suppose to say but “Go Town!!!” after not having a night kill? You want me to say Boo or something? Then you complain that I’m on my phone, answered that previously… You might have a computer that can get to the dope at work, only computers I have are limited to Clinical Pharmacolgy, and various insurance companies web sites. The only way I can get to the dope while at work is via my phone… And I have a lot of down time… Specially when I’m a Grad Intern, and can just walk out for a cigarette break when I please (as long as no one is waiting on a script that is). Then you assume I have PIS about the role of the doctor… which I remember you thinking I was the doctor because of, until I didn’t counter claim Inner. Trust me, just a good guess… Maybe I actually have some insight into the game? Also, you assume I’m bussing **Red Skeezix** … Very next post, you agree I was smart asking the confirmed townie on his thoughts on people other then the lynch leaders (which I don’t remember you giving good thoughts on… Besides the claimed doctor that is!) Then you Mention my unvote of Red Skeezix, and my vote of ShadowFacts, saying while it was wrong, it sounded townie… Well, of course it is, since I am townie! Also, remember, at this point you have been talking about **Skeezix** ’s insistence for awhile. I’m sorry if my votes don’t look great in retrospect, after I agree with YOUR arguments on someone… As I’ve mentioned before, this is only my 3rd game, 2 of those as a replacement. I’m not good at making arguments against people, but much better making decisions based off arguments made by people I assume are town. I thought you were town (after the first day at least), so listened to your wall of words, then **LightFoot** vouched for you, which just put you at 100% for me… So of course I’ll listen to the one confirmed townie in the game. Look at my last 2 games, I do the exact same thing (and I was vanilla town both times). Then a complaint against my role PM… Can’t defend it, it was exactly what was sent by **Astral** when I subbed in… I will say in my defense though that is why I believed **Normal Phase** when she posted her role and claimed. (and why I see why she claimed when she did). Then I defended your lynch choice, the claimed doctor (who explained his role exactly as I expected) **Inner Stickler** , and used **Suburban Plankton** ’s role PM in my defense. And you say I “push” you to look at your assumed townie’s case of **MentalGuy** , who you said was a “good vote” in the quote previous. I will say, this is the first mention of **SP** in your case. Your last two complaints are based on my not agreeing to vote on either case, and thinking **ShadowFacts** and **Red Skeezix** are both town, and refusing to get into the vote… Then, YOU talked me into taking a side, and you complain I made a vote to make the swing vote back to **ShadowFacts**. After I did exactly what I claimed I would, change the vote based on last minute changes… Honestly, when I wrote that originally, I was thinking a **Septimus** type last minute save, but you talked me into picking who I thought was the lesser of two evils of the townie lynches. So… That is my response to your case against me. Ask me to clarify on anything… Honestly though, I still don’t know why you voted me. You were thinking all these other people were scum, and you kept mentioning if so and so is scum, or so and so is scum… I still don’t know why I ended up at he top of your list, instead of all the “so and so’s” you mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2242 "2011-08-14T05:14:21Z")
Wow, that is a lot of words. I’d better just skim it. Firstly, would you vote for Diver today, yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2243 "2011-08-14T05:23:18Z")
So **Pizza** , since you were wrong about **Suburban Plankton** (whom you’ve been gunning for since, like, forever), does this mean your vendetta against **Inner Stickler** yesterDay was also wrong? Or are you still dead certain that **IS** is scum? Hell, maybe you’re still muttering “scumbag” at **Suburban Plankton** as he lies a-moulderin’ in his grave. Can you explain why on God’s green earth we should spare **Red Skeezix** , who’s almost certainly scummy, toDay? Jesus, I’m beginning to wonder if **LightFoot** could’ve gotten a false reading. If your posts were coming from anyone else, _you_ would be screaming “ANTI-TOWN!!!” at them. ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2244 "2011-08-14T05:25:50Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Wow, that is a lot of words. I’d better just skim it. That is so the pot calling the kettle black! > [@](#): > > Firstly, would you vote for Diver today, yes or no? I don’t know, give me a link to a good case against him… And, honestly, give me your case, and also give me **Normal Phase** ’s case… Since, at this point, I think I’ll believe her cases more then I will you. (Not due to how townie, but because you have me so wrong, and you tried lynching the claim doctor, I don’t know if I can trust your opinion) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2245 "2011-08-14T05:27:10Z")
> [@choie](#): > > So **Pizza** , since you were wrong about **Suburban Plankton** (whom you’ve been gunning for since, like, forever), does this mean your vendetta against **Inner Stickler** yesterDay was also wrong? Or are you still dead certain that **IS** is scum? Hell, maybe you’re still muttering “scumbag” at **Suburban Plankton** as he lies a-moulderin’ in his grave. > > Can you explain why on God’s green earth we should spare **Red Skeezix** , who’s almost certainly scummy, toDay? > > Jesus, I’m beginning to wonder if **LightFoot** could’ve gotten a false reading. If your posts were coming from anyone else, _you_ would be screaming “ANTI-TOWN!!!” at them. Would you vote for Diver or Hirka today? Let me rephrase the question. Suppose we KNEW Red Skeezix was innocent. Heck, suppose he was DEAD and proven innocent. Now… would you be willing to vote for Hirka? How about Diver? ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2246 "2011-08-14T05:29:13Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Jesus, I’m beginning to wonder if **LightFoot** could’ve gotten a false reading. If your posts were coming from anyone else, _you_ would be screaming “ANTI-TOWN!!!” at them. I agree! If the Godfather wasn’t already lynched (by **Pizza** ’s hand), I would so be thinking **ATPG** was scum (well, even more then I did reading day one). Pizza, you’re lucky you’re verified by the proven detective and vote record. Your talk the last few days, well, honestly… You’ve gone off the deep end! ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2247 "2011-08-14T05:30:10Z")
> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > That is so the pot calling the kettle black! Gosh, it sucks being on the other end of that. Work for hours, make cases. I don’t want to read it, it’s too hard. > [@](#): > > I don’t know, give me a link to a good case against him… No. Why don’t you form your own opinion, instead of relying on my case or Normal’s case. I take it your response is a no, you wouldn’t vote for him. Kay. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2248 "2011-08-14T05:31:25Z")
> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > Pizza, you’re lucky you’re verified by the proven detective and vote record. Your talk the last few days, well, honestly… You’ve gone off the deep end! :rolleyes: Good, I am glad that pressuring suspects and asking questions is crazy for this town. I guess I should just vote for Red Skeezix and lock today. Is that what you’d prefer? No discussion, let’s get him. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2249 "2011-08-14T05:32:01Z")
If Shadowfacts wasn’t lying about who he blocked the other night, then Red Skeezix has no excuse for not killing someone. Doesn’t seem like he killed anyone last night, either. **vote Red Skeezix** I want to look more at the three ‘vanilla claims’ yesterday, Mental Guy, USC Diver and Hirka. I don’t like the way Hirka is now blaming his votes yesterday on ATPG. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2250 "2011-08-14T05:34:36Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I want to look more at the three ‘vanilla claims’ yesterday, Mental Guy, USC Diver and Hirka. > > I don’t like the way Hirka is now blaming his votes yesterday on ATPG. Hey Weedy. You’ve been very nice to me and actually responded to my questions when you were on the spot. Could you please take a closer look at Diver and Hirka for me, and tell me what your conclusion is. Say for the sake of argument we know Red is innocent. What’s your opinion then? I’m asking as politely as I can because I know you’re awesome and I am honestly curious as to what you see when you look at these folks. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2251 "2011-08-14T05:43:33Z")
> [@](#): > > The first three posts you quote you mention as pro townie, including my attack on **Septimus** about his early vote, remember,\*\* one of these past days I did double vote him before it was known he was town\*\*. Anyone have a list of last vote counts for people by night? Sorry, always been a bad note taker. Hirka, could you link me to the post where you double-voted septimus? ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2252 "2011-08-14T05:57:24Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Gosh, it sucks being on the other end of that. Work for hours, make cases. I don’t want to read it, it’s too hard. Haha! Now you know how we feel! And here I have been reading most of your cases every morning when I wake up. > [@](#): > > No. Why don’t you form your own opinion, instead of relying on my case or Normal’s case. I form my opinions better by listening to other people’s cases. That is just the way I am. My personality is such that I’m more a follower then a leader. I’m much better at judging cases then making them. But… if it wasn’t the middle of the night, right before I had to go to sleep, I might take you up on your offer… But, since my wife will be coming in here any moment to yell at me to go to bed, I know the time will be wasted. This is the first day, if you gather momentum, I’ll review the cases tomorrow while at work… Most likely from my phone (though, that is a scum tell according to you). > [@](#): > > I take it your response is a no, you wouldn’t vote for him. Kay. Not a “no”, but a maybe, I don’t have an opinion yet. On Preview: Hey, I have no problem with you pressuring subjects, and asking questions. However, I’ve answered all the questions I’ve seen posted, and I haven’t seen a response from you about them… If you are just using me as sounding board to gauge the responses of others (and myself), then good for you. Kudos, you are a good player. If you really suspect me, I really want to know why, so I can defend myself. On 2nd Preview: **ATPG** , sorry, I think I was mistaken, I didn’t double vote **Septimus** did I? When I was just looking, I found my comment on post [1377](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14090068&postcount=1377) that I was thinking of when I said that, but that was about **ShadowFacts**. Sorry! So much for that defense. Again, anyone have a final vote count for everyone already made up? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2253 "2011-08-14T05:58:45Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Would you vote for Diver or Hirka today? Let me rephrase the question. > > Suppose we KNEW Red Skeezix was innocent. Heck, suppose he was DEAD and proven innocent. > > Now… would you be willing to vote for Hirka? How about Diver? Ahem, I could be obnoxious and ask you to answer _my_ question first. 🙂 Obviously if **Red Skeezix** was somehow proven to be innocent, I wouldn’t vote for him. I’m certainly _willing_ to vote for **Hirka** and/or **USCDiver**. But I’m not seeing much of a reason to right now. Especially since both of 'em double-voted **Red Skeezix**. So unless there was a scum group decision to bus one of their own that Day, I think they’re safe. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Hirka, could you link me to the post where you double-voted septimus? He didn’t – I think he’s forgetting that he double-voted **Red Skeezix**. See [the final vote count for septimus’s lynch day](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14102502&postcount=1522). P.S. my two runner-up favorite scum candidates right now, FWIW, are **gnarlycharlie** and **pedescribe**. But that’s my gut reaction and we all know what that’s worth. P.P. S. Has a scum team ever done anything incredibly bold like bussing their godfather? I mean, that would really mess with our heads. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2254 "2011-08-14T06:00:16Z")
Yeah I know that he double-voted ShadowFacts and I also know that he double-voted Red Skeezix. I also know he never double-voted septimus. I also know he doubled on ShadowFacts when septimus was the alternate lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2255 "2011-08-14T06:04:16Z")
> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > Haha! Now you know how we feel! And this little Hirka said “we, we, we” all the way home from killing Suburban Plankton. > [@](#): > > And here I have been reading most of your cases every morning when I wake up. Good, I hope it was amusing for you. > [@](#): > > I form my opinions better by listening to other people’s cases. That is just the way I am. My personality is such that I’m more a follower then a leader. I’m much better at judging cases then making them. Really? Not according to your vote record. > [@](#): > > But… if it wasn’t the middle of the night, right before I had to go to sleep, I might take you up on your offer… But, since my wife will be coming in here any moment to yell at me to go to bed, I know the time will be wasted. This is the first day, if you gather momentum, I’ll review the cases tomorrow while at work… Most likely from my phone (though, that is a scum tell according to you). Indeed, it’s a lousy scum tell. 😃 That said, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. > [@](#): > > Not a “no”, but a maybe, I don’t have an opinion yet. Darn. Most townies would have formed an opinion by now, it’s only been two months. > [@](#): > > On Preview: Hey, I have no problem with you pressuring subjects, and asking questions. However, I’ve answered all the questions I’ve seen posted, and I haven’t seen a response from you about them… If you are just using me as sounding board to gauge the responses of others (and myself), then good for you. Kudos, you are a good player. If you really suspect me, I really want to know why, so I can defend myself. Nah, I’ll save that for after I see folks’ reactions. Don’t worry, the other shoe will drop. > [@](#): > > On 2nd Preview: **ATPG** , sorry, I think I was mistaken, I didn’t double vote **Septimus** did I? When I was just looking, I found my comment on post [1377](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14090068&postcount=1377) that I was thinking of when I said that, but that was about **ShadowFacts**. Sorry! So much for that defense. Yeah, it’s a pretty poor defense when it’s actually completely backwards. But that’s not even why I find you scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2256 "2011-08-14T06:08:51Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Ahem, I could be obnoxious and ask you to answer _my_ question first. 🙂 You would be willing to vote for them if someone made a fantastic case on them, but you have no opinion on them otherwise? I could answer your questions, but they were obviously rhetorical, and the point of those questions was to discredit what I’m doing right now. As such, I found them scummy. Surprise? ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2257 "2011-08-14T06:11:11Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I don’t like the way Hirka is now blaming his votes yesterday on ATPG. I wouldn’t say “blaming” to be the correct word, more like being convinced by. My votes are my own responsibility. I’m just saying that I believed both were town, and I wanted to stay out of it. The reasons I voted as I did yesterday were: [ol] [li]I believed both to be town, but promised to vote to change last minute vote changes[/li][li]In the last hour of the day, while at work, I saw a lot of vote changes. I got suspicions, especially after seeing **Normal** ’s comments about a tie (between patients).[/li][li]After I filled the script for the waiter around 5:40ish, I went outside for a “cigarette” break (the advantage of being a grad intern)[/li][li]I quickly reviewed the messages, I saw **ATPG** post about voting to limit damages.[/li][li]I decided that **ShadowFacts** had used most of his powers, so was less useful then a vig, who I believed due to the combo of believing his role claim, and his vote record.[/li][li]I posted my vote quickly to make sure it was put in, damn phone sometimes take a few[/li][li]I posted my reasons for my vote.[/li][/ol] Never blamed, more an explanation… However, I can see how you thought I “blamed” **ATPG** , it was meant as a defense. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2258 "2011-08-14T06:19:36Z")
Do you guys want me to be more or less verbose? I could give in-depth reasons, but this is also fun. ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2259 "2011-08-14T06:28:14Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Good, I hope it was amusing for you. Wouldn’t say “amusing”, but “engaging”… They are a good compliment to my caffeine in the AM to get my brain going 🙂 > [@](#): > > Really? Not according to your vote record. Well, I’m truthful about saying being better to judge cases then making them… Never said I was perfect about judging them however! > [@](#): > > Indeed, it’s a lousy scum tell. 😃 That said, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Well.. Just wanted to say my wife just came in to yell at me. So, this is my last post of the night… Will check tomorrow morning at work, and respond when I have time (tough, as always, don’t expect quotes and stuff from my phone!) > [@](#): > > Darn. Most townies would have formed an opinion by now, it’s only been two months. Has it really been that long? All I know is I’ve had nothing but tests since I was subbed into the game. I had the NAPLEX one week, the MPJE the next, and I have my GA Wet Board on Thursday… So, that and trying to work for $$$ has not let me spend as much time as I would have liked… That’s why I put myself on the sub list in the first place instead of starting out playing, I knew I had all these requirements. > [@](#): > > Nah, I’ll save that for after I see folks’ reactions. Don’t worry, the other shoe will drop. I’ll accept that. > [@](#): > > Yeah, it’s a pretty poor defense when it’s actually completely backwards. But that’s not even why I find you scummy. Yea, it was, but the fact I didn’t remember and was wrong has to be a point on my side right? 😃 On Preview: > [@](#): > > Do you guys want me to be more or less verbose? I could give in-depth reasons, but this is also fun. This is my last post of the night, going to bed… You have to leave me stuff to read in the morning while I’m at work! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/2260 "2011-08-14T06:40:01Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Darn. Most townies would have formed an opinion by now, it’s only been two months. I think that’s kind of silly thing to say. People continue to debate and disagree for freakin’ _ages_ in this game. Minds change all the time. People who are too opinionated and who make their minds up early are quite likely to stay muleishly fixed on one idea… even if they’re wrong. Like, say, someone who was _absolutely, no-foolin’, positively certain_ that **Suburban Plankton** and **Inner Stickler** were/are scum. 😃 > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > You would be willing to vote for them if someone made a fantastic case on them, but you have no opinion on them otherwise? Uh, are you skimming _everyone_’s posts now, just outta spite? I just told you my opinion. I’m leaning that they’re town due to their voting history, in particular, the double-votes on **Red**. But my mind can be changed. Actually I’d like to look back to **Koldanar** ’s posts and see how s/he was playing **Hirka** ’s role. Not gonna do it now because I don’t know what time it is in pizzaland, but here it’s almost 3AM. > [@](#): > > I could answer your questions, but they were obviously rhetorical, and the point of those questions was to discredit what I’m doing right now. As such, I found them scummy. > > Surprise? Sigh. At this point nothing you say surprises me. You’re increasingly predictable, and it’s kind of sad and distressing. You don’t seem to realize just how you’re harming your cases by acting like the self-appointed DA of De’endee. My questions were pointed, sure, but not rhetorical. The purpose wasn’t to discredit you (geeze, are you sure _you_ aren’t the paranoid doc!!!) but rather to get you to acknowledge that yes, you can be wrong, and also – most importantly – because I wanted confirmation that **Inner Stickler** can be safely considered confirmed Townie… confirmation from the person who most suspected him. (Or her. Sorry, I don’t know if **IS** is Y-chromosome-challenged or not.) Seriously, I know you don’t think I’m “awesome” and you suspect me of being scum, but for all our townie sakes, I really really wish you would accept some humility and stop implying that you have some perfect knowledge of how this particular game is made up. This has become the **Askthepizzaguy** show, and that’s not right. You’re not the star player with the rest of us merely extras. The only thing different about you is that you were confirmed by **LightFoot** , and that’s it; you’re not imbued with more knowledge (about this particular game, that is) than the rest of us town folk. Assuming you’re vanilla. Feel free to ignore me, and call my lecturing scummy, but what worries me is that we’re already seeing that people have started skimming you (as your snarky “oh your posts are too long” comments are parodying) and that is _dangerous_ because you _do_ have a lot of experience and can be of tremendous help to us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=112) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=114)