# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/241 "2011-07-13T12:28:15Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I’m still getting warmed up. I have not yet \*begun \*to unreason. I sense the beginnings of a beautiful friendship. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/242 "2011-07-13T12:29:15Z")
NETA: You and Ed, that is, if it wasn’t clear. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/243 "2011-07-13T12:31:56Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > That’s why I decided to go with Skeezix, since that was my pick and no one else had picked Skeezix. But, I’m not generating much interest in that wagon; Joke votes don’t get traction around here, even on day one. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/244 "2011-07-13T12:38:04Z")
Koldanar – Why was this even mentioned? > [@](#): > > Shadow and Stanislaus : Possible scum amongst the two of you, but only because of what I noted above. This is no where near enough to even suspect either of you, however. Voting history, and your actions during this game, will tell better. If it’s nowhere near enough to suspect, why even bring it up? You describe yourself as a nervous player, and this certainly does look like you’re just throwing words at the screen out of nerves, but objectively what is there to be nervous about? ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/245 "2011-07-13T12:48:51Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Koldanar – > > Why was this even mentioned? > If it’s nowhere near enough to suspect, why even bring it up? You describe yourself as a nervous player, and this certainly does look like you’re just throwing words at the screen out of nerves, but objectively what is there to be nervous about? I certainly feel that I’m bad at this, and the only way to get better is to practice. I want to watch those two for behaviors later in the game (if I even make it there)…the though then was, if I mention it now on Day one, come day whatever, I have this to go back to to help justify. Is this really a move seen as scummy / bad? I’ve been railroaded before for similar behavior, in my first game (and man, was I railroaded BAD), but I felt I could better defend this action today. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/246 "2011-07-13T13:42:25Z")
From my perspective it looks like Kelly being in trouble flustered you. You make that nervous-looking “now we’re getting somewhere” comment, you talk about Kelly and bandwagons for a while without really saying anything, you apply the bandwagon comment to two other players sort of willy-nilly, again without really drawing any conclusions, and so on. But it’s scummy to a lesser extent even if I’m wrong about him, for the reason scathach pointed out: it’s a lot of words to go nowhere. And that is characteristic of scum more frequently than town. Your vote for askthepizzaguy is defensible: you’re right that he never indicated any direct suspicion of you. He’s voting for strategic reasons, he says; anything more is only implied (by his choosing you over me, for instance; I think I had a vote by then). He doesn’t reference scathach’s rationale. But I’m still more suspicious of you than of him. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/247 "2011-07-13T14:38:28Z")
Wow, an eventful evening, filled with new arrivals and discussion. Welcome, **USCDiver** , and also to **Silver Jan** ’s grandchild! I have to admit **askthepizzaguy** ’s voting post took me aback, because it seemed so out-of-left-field and without rationale. Like he was just blindly playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey. Especially since I don’t see anything particularly scummy in **Koldanar**. However, it appears **pizza** is fashioning himself a shield by claiming to be an unknown entity but a superstar strategic player-- kinda like the old timey western card sharp riding in from out of town to show the rubes how poker is _really_ played. “Ah, you don’t know me yet, but I have _deep_ reasons for all I do!” 😉 And hell, maybe he does. I’m too inexperienced to recognize depth of play in this game. It’s just that his style of play reminds me more of [Nomic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic) – where it’s all about metagaming rather than actually analyzing posts. Anyway, I’m not going to vote for him without hearing more from him. Thus far the only other person whose behavior seemed genuinely offputting was **Kelly**. I’m not 100% convinced by his explanation for his brusque demands and brush-off of **Stanislaus**. Okay, maybe he really was just playacting; maybe he’s just not a polite kind of forum personality. But my current theory is that the real reason he was behaving aggressively was to throw off suspicion of himself and stake his claim as being Uber Town Defender. So shutting up and finally voting, I’ll **vote KellyCriterion**. And please forgive me if I’m wrong and he’s innocent. (Boy, I never expected voting to give me such a burden of responsibility! Well, this ain’t a real trial: we don’t have to vote guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, right?) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/248 "2011-07-13T14:50:38Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > For town, there are two ways to earn experience. Using your powers will grant you 50% of a level. Lynching scum will grant you a whole level… We’re through discussing the 2-vote mechanics for now, but it’s relevant to reiterate that Town Powers have a very strong incentive to move their vote (or place their 2nd vote) on the Lynchee near deadline. To keep their Power secret they hope Vanilla do this as well. Yet after this has been explained several times, we still see: > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I don’t think I stated my position clearly enough. Given an **absence of reason** for using a second vote, we should not use it. It is easier for the traitors among us to hide their treachery if everyone is double-voting simply because they can… Explanations should be needed when people are double voting, or they should be executed. If the explanation seems logical, then perhaps it can be excused. But “no reason” should not be accepted as a reason… Thus it seems almost certain to me that **Askthepizzaguy** is NOT a Town Power. But is he just a Vanilla who, despite much discussion, hasn’t considered the tactic needed by Town Powers, or is he Scum trying to discourage Vanilla from the late Lynchee vote? If Scum get away with such discouraging it will be very bad for Town, as one of three things will happen: [ul][li] The late vote switch will be recognizable to Scum as strong evidence that the player has Power and hopes to gain a level.[/li][li] To prevent that inference, Powers will often have to forfeit opportunity for advancing a level.[/li][li] To get a good chance at the extra level, without the vote-switch that marks them as Power, the Town Powers will vote for who is likely to be Lynched, rather than who they really think is Scum.[/li][/ul] I realize there are some arguments the other way, but the incentive for these vote switches is very strong, and may help Town a lot. Arguing against them so strongly, early and often, seems quite pro-Scum. But there are other reasons I’m developing strong suspicions about **Askthepizzaguy**. He voted for **Red Skeezix** after Red had made a total of zero posts in the Game! And this was no Lynch-the-Lurker vote; it was made almost immediately after Day 1 was declared open! Joke votes can be OK, but now **Askthepizzaguy** writes as though this were a real vote: > [@](#): > > Vote on Skeezix isn’t going anywhere, others mentioned Koldanar as a possible choice. Then he moves his move to **Koldanar** , with some argument that he doesn’t like to follow bandwagons. And yet, _the only reason given (“Looking at who others found worthy of a vote”) for choosing **Koldanar** as a Lynch candidate is a Bandwagon (of FOS)_. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > When I am innocent, my accusations have a decent chance of hitting guilty parties. By following someone else’s wagon, I have no idea if they are guilty … > > That’s why I decided to go with Skeezix, since that was my pick and no one else had picked Skeezix. But, I’m not generating much interest in that wagon; therefore I looked at alternatives. I could wagon Kelly, but I’d prefer to spread pressure around. Looking at who others found worthy of a vote, I felt Koldanar might be someone who could generate some interest. I’d like to hear any coherent explanation of why he personally thinks either of his choices is scum. My impression is that **Askthepizzaguy** is a disciple of the “Stir the pot” school, but he seems to carry it much too far. That, and the fact that discouraging Vanillas from masking Power vote switches is pro-Scum, makes my decision easy: **Vote: Askthepizzaguy** ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/249 "2011-07-13T14:56:29Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Vote on Red Skeezix isn’t leading to his death, meanwhile, at least two others have noted that Koldanar might be a good vote. I voted Koldanar as an alternative to the current Kellywagon. Why did you pick Koldanar over any of the other candidates with the same number of votes? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/250 "2011-07-13T15:30:31Z")
Some thoughts on the leading vote-getters: **KellyCriterion** : He’s picking up votes mainly because of his interaction with **Stanislaus**. I agree that it was a bit over the top, but it’s not screaming ‘Scum!’ at me. **Koldanar** : the case made by \*\*Scathach \*\*is pretty good at this point; \*\*Koldanar \*\*managed to smudge three people in one post without even hinting that he thought they might be Scum, and his vote on \*\*Askthepizzaguy \*\*is basically OMGUS (though I’m not sure I can blame him too much in this particular case) **Askthepizzaguy** : His vote on **Koldanar** , and the ‘reasoning’ behind it, are among the worst I’ve seen in quite a while. Really, this is such a bad vote that there’s no way Scum would do that, right? **Normal Phase** : \*\*KellyCriterion \*\*placed what can only be described as an OMGUS vote, and **Silver Jan** is voting her for metagame reasons. Personally, I’m not seeing anything that would lead me to jump on this bandwagon. I’ve got to do a bit or re-reading before going any further here, but just so I don’t forget to do this: \*\*unvote special ed \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/251 "2011-07-13T15:43:01Z")
[oog]Turns out there’s no internet at the family vacation spot so I will be offline more than I thought until Tuesday. I’m looking for Starbucks as we speak though, so I shouldn’t be gone totally![/oog] ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/252 "2011-07-13T17:01:42Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > It’s not that complicated. > > How many people are going to suggest that we justify our votes? > > I mean, really? > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > **unvote: Red Skeezix** > **vote: Koldanar** > > Vote on Skeezix isn’t going anywhere, others mentioned Koldanar as a possible choice. > > Not going to join the Kellywagon just yet. I prefer to make Koldanar squirm a bit first. Uncontroversial, yes. Obvious, certainly. And yet some people still did not seem to get the memo. Perhaps there should have been a few more repeat posts about justifying votes. 😛 A bit more directly, I find **Askthepizzaguy’s** vote here to be terrible and his follow-up explanation even worse, as others just above have already outlined. I need to review the case against **KellyCriterion** (where my vote currently sits) to see which actions I like less before I decide if I will change, though. I’m at work right now and squeezing in this game between meetings. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/253 "2011-07-13T17:24:56Z")
Posting as I catch up > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > **Ed** , any reason for pointing out **Askthepizzaguy** ’s post but not voting for him? you haven’t voted yet so it’s not going to lock you in. Yes, I often point things out and don’t vote. Sometimes it’s interesting to see the reactions. When I’m ready, I’ll vote, though it is getting later in the day than I expected. [6 PM CDT tomorrow](http://timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=07&day=14&year=2011&hour=18&min=00&sec=00&p0=2036) ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/254 "2011-07-13T17:26:31Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > I challenge you on that. How does it not make sense? > > Vote on Red Skeezix isn’t leading to his death, meanwhile, at least two others have noted that Koldanar might be a good vote. I voted Koldanar as an alternative to the current Kellywagon. > > Now, your homework assignment is to explain in 400 words or less why there’s anything at all wrong with that logic. I will be awaiting your response with a bemused expression on my face. Here’s why this is so wrong. Your stated reason is that the original person you voted for doesn’t appear lynchable. So, instead, you’re voting for someone who does appear lynchable. Now, if our goal was to lynch someone, that would be efective. However, our goal is to lynch Scum. You’ve given no indication why one is more likely to be Scum than the other. ---
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/255 "2011-07-13T17:32:11Z")
@Normal Phase I’m looking at your case on Kelly. You wrote: > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > 1. When his reasoning (but not, directly, he himself) is called out as being scummier than the original offense, his wording of **his reaction is aggressiv** e. (Compare what he actually said to what he could have said, something like “I’ve never heard of this being common. Can you show me some examples?”) Why such a strong reaction to the rationale behind a mere FOS being questioned? It’s not like Kelly is so convinced of choie’s scummitude that any attempt to deflect such should get a huge stink-eye, right? [bold mine, for emphasis] And here’s what Kelly actually wrote: > [@KellyCriterion](#): > > FOS at **choie** for same reason stated as **pedescribe** , and not after I saw **pedescribe’s** post. > > It’s just a **FOS** , so go easy on the bandwagony allegations, peeps.. I’m not seeing aggressivity here. Which part did you find aggressive? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/256 "2011-07-13T17:34:16Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’ve got to do a bit or re-reading before going any further here, but just so I don’t forget to do this: > > \*\*unvote special ed \*\* Maybe after you re-read this, you can do this in red? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/257 "2011-07-13T17:36:06Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Damn. Ok, two years off from these games can make you rusty, but I have to assume at this point I’m just bad at this. I’d suggest you can go Meta, and see my first days in the past; I think every time I play I get voted on on day one (except once) and every damn time in the past, I was vanilla. I’m a cautious person, and an anxious one. I don’t like to commit until I’m fairly sure of a vote. 😕 You’ve never been guilty before when people vote you on day one? And this somehow makes you not-guilty now, I presume? > [@](#): > > Why respond, if I’m not scum? I take it a little personally :eek:. Not enough to make me not want to play, but certainly enough to respond. Gettin’ kinda tense, ain’tcha. > [@](#): > > Now, Askthepizzaguy? A me too! vote on me, when things seem good? Yea, not very nice. You provided no reasoning whatsoever; at least **Scathach** tried to justify it. When challenged, you keep repeating that you felt I could generate interest. Not, you find me suspicious, not you can pull apart any posts I’ve made, but simply (to paraphrase) : Look, my first vote generated no interest, and people are voting for Koldanar. Oh please. As if analysis of your couple of posts, or anyone’s, is more productive than pressure voting at this stage of the game. :rolleyes: You’re certainly responding to pressure. And when this silly lynch of me or Kelly happens, I will ask that folks kindly remove their heads from their collective buttocks, and put even more pressure on you. > [@](#): > > **vote Askthepizzaguy** > > This, I can get behind. These actions aren’t good. Unless you’re being a lazy townie, and seriously, don’t do that! I think my actions are very good. You’re clearly squirming, I’d call it wriggling like a worm on a hook. 😃 > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Joke votes don’t get traction around here, even on day one. That’s a shame. Joke votes can catch scum just as well as “serious” ones, and you don’t have to bother with that pesky “reasoning” based on all of no activity or day one activity. There’s no deflecting a case when it’s based on “I just voted you, so there!” > [@Koldanar](#): > > I certainly feel that I’m bad at this, and the only way to get better is to practice. I want to watch those two for behaviors later in the game (if I even make it there)…the though then was, if I mention it now on Day one, come day whatever, I have this to go back to to help justify. Is this really a move seen as scummy / bad? I’ve been railroaded before for similar behavior, in my first game (and man, was I railroaded BAD), but I felt I could better defend this action today. Do you always beat yourself up as a sympathy-generating tactic, or are you only this manipulative when you’re a scumbag? I’ll tell you what’s scummy and bad, selling yourself short. If you’re really such a “bad” player, you’re not giving me much reason to move my vote elsewhere in the first place (Like, I dunno, mindlessly wagoning Kelly just to save myself). I’d rather die and make it a statement about how much I’d want you to die after me. If you’re not such a bad player, then selling yourself short is scummy. “And seriously, don’t do that!” 😛 > [@choie](#): > > I have to admit **askthepizzaguy** ’s voting post took me aback, because it seemed so out-of-left-field and without rationale. Like he was just blindly playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey. Especially since I don’t see anything particularly scummy in **Koldanar**. However, it appears **pizza** is fashioning himself a shield by claiming to be an unknown entity but a superstar strategic player-- kinda like the old timey western card sharp riding in from out of town to show the rubes how poker is _really_ played. “Ah, you don’t know me yet, but I have _deep_ reasons for all I do!” 😉 And hell, maybe he does. I’m too inexperienced to recognize depth of play in this game. It’s just that his style of play reminds me more of [Nomic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic) – where it’s all about metagaming rather than actually analyzing posts. I’ll get more into analysis later on in the game where there’s something to pattern. There’s precious little on day one, and I’m sure you’re all aware of this. However, my out-of-left-field reasonless pressure votes which you’re all kicking as being illogical are generating… you know… **posts that we can analyze.** Did I just blow your mind? :eek: > [@septimus](#): > > I’d like to hear any coherent explanation of why he personally thinks either of his choices is scum. Sure. They’re not me, and I’m not scum. Therefore there is a good chance someone else is. 😉 > [@](#): > > My impression is that **Askthepizzaguy** is a disciple of the “Stir the pot” school, but he seems to carry it much too far. That, and the fact that discouraging Vanillas from masking Power vote switches is pro-Scum, makes my decision easy: > > **Vote: Askthepizzaguy** Too far? 😃 You haven’t even seen me get warmed up. I also particularly think you’re talking to no one in particular in this post, which is one of the classic signs of being a scumbag. Announcing what you’re doing, as if you’re putting on a performance on stage. It’s just bad acting, translated as text. I’ll be suggesting you for a lynch at my earliest convenience. Unfortunately this wagon has rendered it inconvenient. > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Why did you pick Koldanar over any of the other candidates with the same number of votes? I didn’t do a tally. I just knew that there wasn’t going to be a wagon forming on you, so I decided to use my vote more constructively. And in spite of nonsensical protestations that my vote was otherwise, it has generated lots of discussion and reaction. And once I am dead and found to be innocent, this discussion and those reactions will be kind of useful. If people bother to analyze them. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Askthepizzaguy** : His vote on **Koldanar** , and the ‘reasoning’ behind it, are among the worst I’ve seen in quite a while. Really, this is such a bad vote that there’s no way Scum would do that, right? Gee, thanks? If this dude comes up guilty, will it shatter your reality? I’m noticing a rather dogmatic viewpoint here that every vote needs to have a sherlock holmes-like case attached to it. On day one, that is rather absurd. I can point out how absurd it is. Suppose the guilty parties simply don’t talk much, or go “I agree with X’s reasoning for the vote” and follows suit. Now, generate a “case” based on that behavior. I’ll be waiting. In the meanwhile, **[listen to this music.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wi8Fv0AJA4)** Just based on that alone, I think this silly notion of big fat cases on day one should be shelved. You can’t always generate a case on scum. Sometimes they play in a way that avoids things you can pick on. You know how you can counter that? Pressure votes. You don’t need reasons. But threatening them with death can shake things loose. Maybe it gets them talking, nervously, babbling something about how no one has ever voted them on round one and been right before, as if that ever mattered in the slightest. > [@special\_ed](#): > > Here’s why this is so wrong. > > Your stated reason is that the original person you voted for doesn’t appear lynchable. So, instead, you’re voting for someone who does appear lynchable. > > Now, if our goal was to lynch someone, that would be efective. However, our goal is to lynch Scum. You’ve given no indication why one is more likely to be Scum than the other. :dubious: Let’s pretend we’re giving me the benefit of the doubt for a second. I can do one of three things: 1. Vote someone that no one else has an interest in lynching, and is under no pressure from my vote due to Kellywagon 2. Vote someone that others have an interest in lynching, as there is a possibility that said person is guilty. 3. Do nothing Which do you think is more productive? * * * This is fun, by the way. You’re actually making me work and think and stuff. On day one! I think I’ll like it here. You know, once folks start taking me seriously. I’ll grow on you… just you wait. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/258 "2011-07-13T17:37:25Z")
The more I read, the less I’m suspicious of askthepizza. I often love to vote just to get reactions. I’ve learned to only do it when I’m confirmed Town, however, as it does garner much suspicion. But the reactions are worthy. I can understand the rationale. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/259 "2011-07-13T17:39:22Z")
Take a closer look at Koldanar and septimus, whenever you get the chance. That is my conclusion from the activity on day one. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/260 "2011-07-13T17:41:29Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Take a closer look at Koldanar and septimus, whenever you get the chance. > > That is my conclusion from the activity on day one. What is your opinion on Kelly? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=14)