# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/341 "2011-07-14T15:06:28Z")
Vote Count KellyCriterion (6): ShadowFacts [203], Stanislaus [204], Choie [247], Scathach [293], special ed [295], TexCat [315] Askthepizzaguy (3): gnarlycharlie [228]. Koldanar [238], Septimus [248] Koldanar (2): Askthepizzaguy [225], Mental Guy [319] Normal Phase (1): KellyCriterion [213], Silver Jan (1): Red Skeezix [233] Romanic (1): Silver Jan [324] Septimus (1): Renata [338] Doesn’t include unvotes. Nobody’s voted more than once. I’m not sure who’s not voting, other than Diver. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/342 "2011-07-14T15:08:11Z")
I’ve got to learn not to take an evening off with this party; once again, I spent a few hours filling my belly with ale, and I missed all the fun! **vote KellyCriterion** I think \*\*Kelly \*\*recognized that he was going to go down Today (the only competing bandwagon was on **Askthepizzaguy** , and while it started off strong, it seemed to have run its course by yesterday afternoon). He knew that a plain ol’ Vanilla claim was unlikely to cause many people to move their votes, so he tried a different tactic that he hoped would imply a “Scum wouldn’t do this” sort of vibe. I’m intrigued by the number of people have actually moved their votes _off_ of \*\*Kelly \*\*recently. This would seem to be counter to the idea that everyone will pile on a ‘sure thing’ bandwagon in order to either level up or to hide the fact that they are Vanilla. This is not to say that everyone should be piling votes on just because they can, just that these vote changes in particular don’t on the whole make a lot of sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/343 "2011-07-14T15:10:48Z")
I have the vote count as follows: **KellyCriterion (7)**: Shadowfacts (203), Stanislaus (204), choie (247), SScathach (293), special ed (295), texcat (315), Suburban Plankton (342) **Askthepizzaguy (3)**: gnarlycharlie (228), Koldanar (238), septimus (248) **Koldanar (2)**: Askthepizzaguy (225), MentalGuy (319) **Normal Phase (1)**: KellyCriterion (213) **Silver Jan (1)**: Red Skeezix (233) **Romanic (1)**: Silver Jan (324) **Septimus (1)**: Normal Phase (338) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/344 "2011-07-14T15:14:44Z")
That matches mine. Non-voters are: 1. Tom Scud/USCDiver (replacement) 2. Inner Stickler (away) 3. Pedescribe \*\*7. MHaye 4. LightFoot I thought LIghtFoot was replacing MHaye, but both are listed here. Clarification please? \*\* 5. Romanic I’ll be putting a vote back on Kelly if things remain as they are; adn despite the unvotes I think that they will. But I have all day to burn. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/345 "2011-07-14T15:30:20Z")
I don’t have \*\*MHaye \*\*on my player list. I have: Normal Phase Tom Scud/USCDiver Askthepizzaguy Inner Stickler Koldanar Pedescribe Mental Guy LightFoot TexCat Red Skeezix Romanic Septimus Choie KellyCriterion Gnarlycharlie SilverJan special ed ShadowFacts Stanislaus Scathach Suburban Plankton **Are there plans to sub out LightFoot? She hasn’t made a single post since asking to be added to the sub list; it looks like she doesn’t know she’s playing.** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/346 "2011-07-14T15:34:07Z")
OK, I should have gone one post further. Looks like Astral first mistyped MHaye where he meant to have Mental Guy. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/347 "2011-07-14T15:35:09Z")
That leaves pedescribe, Romanic and arguably Diver needing a vote, Inner with access issues, and Lightfoot absent. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/348 "2011-07-14T15:36:58Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Are there plans to sub out LightFoot? She hasn’t made a single post since asking to be added to the sub list; it looks like she doesn’t know she’s playing.** i think you’re correct. she doesn’t know she’s playing. i’ll send her a message. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/349 "2011-07-14T15:37:19Z")
Power was out at home last night, so I’m busy reviewing what’s going on. On the first pass: Kelly is floundering. Normally I would agree that that kind of floundering is more indicative of Town than Scum. However, I’ve seen this kind of play from Kelly before (Cecil Pond), where IIRC he was scum (need to verify this). I haven’t decided what I think is going on. I may switch my vote. I need to digest, and see if anything seems more striking. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/350 "2011-07-14T15:49:34Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m intrigued by the number of people have actually moved their votes _off_ of \*\*Kelly \*\*recently. This would seem to be counter to the idea that everyone will pile on a ‘sure thing’ bandwagon in order to either level up or to hide the fact that they are Vanilla. This is not to say that everyone should be piling votes on just because they can, just that these vote changes in particular don’t on the whole make a lot of sense to me. And I’m intrigued by this comment. 🆒 Can you be more specific about why the vote changes don’t make sense to you? Do you find them suspicious in some way, or just intriguing? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/351 "2011-07-14T16:09:19Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Are there plans to sub out LightFoot? She hasn’t made a single post since asking to be added to the sub list; it looks like she doesn’t know she’s playing.** Lightfoot received a character sheet before Day 1 started, same as anyone else, so I’m confused on how she could think she wasn’t playing. I’ll talk to her first, and we’ll see where we go after that. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/352 "2011-07-14T16:12:21Z")
I Just noticed that I was sent a character. (I thought I was still a reserve sub)I’ve been reading along but missed that I had a notification ( I don’t usually sign in at work) I’ll compose myself ASAP ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/353 "2011-07-14T16:16:58Z")
Also, a wild vote count appears! KellyCriterion (6): ShadowFacts [203], Stanislaus [204], Choie [247], Scathach [293], special ed [295], TexCat [315]. Suburban Plankton [342] Askthepizzaguy (3): gnarlycharlie [228]. Koldanar [238], Septimus [248] Koldanar (2): Askthepizzaguy [225]. Mental Guy [219] Normal Phase (1): KellyCriterion [213], Silver Jan (1): Red Skeezix [233] Romanic (1): Silver Jan [324] Septimus (1): Normal Phase [338] Day ends TODAY at 6pm Central Time. ---
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/354 "2011-07-14T16:30:29Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > @ **Romanic** , I have nothing against jokes but as I said before you must be either Scum or a Town Power role, why would you reveal that information so early? And now you have said that you can get to level 5 in this game. I think that if you are scum, you made a tiny mistake and if you are Town then you made a bigger mistake, either way I find it anti-Town. > > **Vote Romanic** I did not reveal anything new, the level cap was already public knowledge > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Your new or improved abilities come at levels 3 and 5. For this campaign, level 5 is considered max level. and I don’t see where I could have said that _I_ could get to level 5. Please show me where you read this. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/355 "2011-07-14T16:31:36Z")
Vote Count 2.0 - The Learn to Count Edition KellyCriterion (7): ShadowFacts [203], Stanislaus [204], Choie [247], Scathach [293], special ed [295], TexCat [315]. Suburban Plankton [342] Askthepizzaguy (3): gnarlycharlie [228]. Koldanar [238], Septimus [248] Koldanar (2): Askthepizzaguy [225]. Mental Guy [219] Normal Phase (1): KellyCriterion [213], Silver Jan (1): Red Skeezix [233] Romanic (1): Silver Jan [324] Septimus (1): Normal Phase [338] ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/356 "2011-07-14T16:35:28Z")
@ **Romanic** I meant you in the generic sense, not you in particular. Sorry, I could have made that more clear. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/357 "2011-07-14T16:52:24Z")
Oh, **Askthepizzaguy** reminds me of Calvin! ---
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/358 "2011-07-14T16:56:45Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > Each Mod makes their own rules, but the standard operating procedure here is to give them accounts on a separate board where they can talk. It is fairly common to only allow the scum to talk privately at Night (but allowing communication any time is not unusual either). > > If Kelly is scum and in contact with his partners, then I think they would have convinced him that the “hash-tag” post was not a good thing to do. If Kelly is scum and not in contact with his partners, then he may not have realized what a bad idea it was. So, I think his actions are slightly more likely (as scum) if scum are not allowed to communicate with each other during the Day, but I find it unlikely to be something done by scum either way. Alright - I wasn’t aware of games where the Scum were not allowed to discuss during the Day, and I find it odd really. I don’t agree with your assessment that Kelly’s partners, if he’s scum, would have talked him away from doing the hash-tag - In my experience, scum players often do things without discussing them with their partners first. Perhaps this is slightly different for longer games, as the game I play typically have 24 or 48 hours Day, but still, I find it very possible that a Scum would have acted on his own. Anyway, I understand what you were saying now. At first, I thought your remark could have been PIS (if the Scums were indeed not able to discuss during the Day), or a poor analysis, since the argument was alien to me. Clearly it is not as bad as I thought since Normal confirmed that some games do use this rule and choie even provided a list where I was able to see that it’s indeed the case. ---
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/359 "2011-07-14T17:00:21Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > @ **Romanic** I meant you in the generic sense, not you in particular. Sorry, I could have made that more clear. I don’t understand what you are replying to here. Of course it’s my last post, but I just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/360 "2011-07-14T17:25:04Z")
**Silver Jan’s** vote on **Romanic** bugged me, so I decided to use my lunch to do a review. Sorry for the Wall of Quotes, I think it’s easier to see the whole picture this way. Note: votes have been bleached, some quotes have been snipped to stay on topic. > [@Romanic](#): > > Got my PM. > > Not happy about a level cap, I’m working on a mod to change that. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I would love to know what you mean by a level cap. > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > it means that’s the maximum level you can get no matter how much experience you get. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Well, it looks as if I have pinged **Normal Phase** already, was that a FOS? > > I am definitly Town in this game so all Normal has on me really is from metagaming (where I was scum) so > > **Vote Normal Phase** > > It might be an OMGUS vote but in the last game (metagaming) I was too scared to vote for her because then she would have known for sure that I was scum. This is also to get a vote in so that I have a voting record whether I am right or wrong. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Unvote Normal Phase** > > It was a bad vote because it was metagaming and an OMGUS for the FOS. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I do have a question to ask but I think it might be anti Town to ask it, do I go ahead and share my thoughts or do I just keep quiet? > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > It’s just something that’s bugging me but it could be from a Town power role or Scum! > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Ok, this is the post that is worrying me, I tried to bring it up earlier but **Romanic** didn’t answer my question, \*\*gnarlychalie > \*\* did but I really did know what a level cap meant lol, I wanted more information from \*\*Romanic \*\*and I didn’t get any. I am now in a quandary, I don’t know why either Scum or Town would bring it up? 😕 > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh, I don’t see that as any kind of tell, just a D&D in joke. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Thanks **Normal** , it has just been at the back of my mind since I first read it 🙂 > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was just wondering about **Askthepizzaguy** s really long post on defending **Kelly**. I know he was asked what his opinion was but he seemed to go into an awful lot of detail in defending her/him. > > I was about to vote for **Kelly** because 20 minutes after receiving a vote s/he asked about handshakes. If that had been me I would have jumped up and down defending myself (check the Giraffe boards, I was in tears cos I was called scum{silly too}) > > I wonder if \*\*ATPG \*\*is just being contraversial. > > That being said > > **Vote KellyCriterion** > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am still new and it is important, I know I have one vote against me that was because I did not explain properly. I find it difficult to explain what I really mean (and this is a game of words?) When I have played scum I dream about the game, specially when Normal was after me (she is good), Special Ed, yourself doesn’t terrify me anymore although Moody does, what’s up with him in this game, what am I missing? > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am very unsure about my vote on \*\*Kelly \*\*at the moment. He is doing almost the same thing I have done in a different game, assuming other VT’s would understand him. > > Oh, what to do, really if I am not happy with my vote now then I should unvote. > > **Unvote KellyCriterion** > > @ **Romanic** , I have nothing against jokes but as I said before you must be either Scum or a Town Power role, why would you reveal that information so early? And now you have said that you can get to level 5 in this game. I think that if you are scum, you made a tiny mistake and if you are Town then you made a bigger mistake, either way I find it anti-Town. > > **Vote Romanic** **SJ** seems to be obsessed with **Romanic’s** level cap joke right from the beginning. He makes the (to me, obvious) minor joke, **SJ** asks about it, **gnarly** explains. One would think that would have been the end of it. In fact, it’s dropped for a while while SJ votes for \*\*Normal Phase \*\*(bad OMGUS vote), then retracts that, realizing it’s a bad vote. Then she gets into this weird “should I ask this question” exchange, culminating in a repeat question to **Romanic** about the level cap thing. **Normal Phase** explains that this is just a joke, **SJ** seems to accept this and move on, thanks **NP** for the explanation. Then there is a vote on **KellyCriterion** , because “after receiving a vote s/he asked about handshakes. If that had been me I would have jumped up and down defending myself (check the Giraffe boards, I was in tears cos I was called scum{silly too}).” So… because **KellyCriterion** is not reacting as **SJ** would, despite the fact that said reaction is “silly,” she puts a vote on? Later, she gets nervous about the vote, because **Kelly** is now “doing almost the same thing I have done in a different game, assuming other VT’s would understand him.” So, she unvotes and… goes back to vote for **Romanic** on the level cap thing. I’m trying to figure out if this is new player adjusting to the game or nervous scum flitting about trying to land a vote somewhere without taking heat for it (or both). (The vote on **Normal Phase** for **NP** saying **SJ** “pinged” her seems particularly high-strung, later retraction aside). It’s not good Town play, that I am certain of. Since this is not her first game, I am not inclined to give her a newbie pass. Let’s see where this takes us: **unvote** \*\*Vote Silver Jan \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=19)