# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/381 "2011-07-14T19:26:17Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Here’s rule 7: > > 1. If half of the surviving players +2 have locked their votes in by casting two simultaneous votes, the day will end. The required number of “locked in” players will be announced at the beginning of each day. I will round up - 21 players means that there are 13 players requires for the hammer. > > I was just looking over the rules again. I realized that this was a hammer rule. it’s designed to end a Day early. > > So that got me thinking, when do we need to end a Day early? When we all agree on a lynch target, right? So that means I’d most likely be using both of my votes on the same person. > > So why would we hammer if I had 2 different targets? > > Though, logically, my votes are simultaneous even if they are for different people. I can simultaneously do 2 different things. > > So that leads me to believe, and maybe I should have just asked the mods a question, which I’ll do now. > > \*\*Which of these cases would result in my votes being locked in: > > 1. I cast 2 votes in the same post for the same person. > 2. I cast 2 votes in the same post for 2 different people. > 3. I cast 2 votes in different posts for the same person. > 4. I cast 2 votes in different posts for different people.\*\* Honestly I believe this is time wasting right now. If I haven’t screwed up the time zones again there’s only a few hours left in the day. There’s a clear vote leader at the moment with one or two other possible candidates. We should be focusing on lynching the right person rather than another long discussion about when and when not to use both votes. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/382 "2011-07-14T19:27:29Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m not. It looks to me like she’s trying to bail on a vote that’s garnered more suspicion, while providing cover for not having a vote to lay down by the end of the day. The claim provides distraction, while the explanation (which doesn’t actually explain anything) makes it look like the unvote is justified. > > **Vote: Silver Jan** Huh!! Well if that’s what you think **Vote Pedescribe** I know it’s not going to be seen as a good vote, sorry about your teeth **Normal** but I really haven’t got a scummy vibe from anyone and I do want to live and I am Vanilla Town with no Power. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/383 "2011-07-14T19:28:26Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*\*MentalGuy \*\*unvotes to vote for \*\*Koldanar \*\*([Post 319](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14020234&postcount=319)). He references \*\*Scathach’s \*\*case against \*\*Koldanar \*\*as being “better than any other case made or anything I have been able to spot myself”, but doesn’t exactly say what’s good about it. > > **Silver Jan** unvotes to vote for \*\*Romanic \*\*([Post 324](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14020462&postcount=324)). Even after reviewing all of \*\*Romanic’s \*\*posts, I’m still not clear what she is referring to, so there is no way I can agree with her vote here. > > **Normal Phase** unvotes to vote for \*\*Septimus \*\*([Post 338](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14021087&postcount=338)). He takes issue with the post in which \*\*Septimus \*\*votes for **Askthepizzaguy** , and seems to be voting based on that post alone. I don’t personally think there’s anything wrong with that post. > > I don’t think that any of these vote changes are, in and of themselves, terribly suspicious, but I don’t think that any of them are particularly good votes. It seems a bit like these people didn’t want to be associated with a **Kelly** bandwagon, so they jumped off once it really picked up steam. I’m still trying to figure out what that means. Thanks for responding. I see what you are saying now. As it happens, I just changed my vote as well to **Silver Jan**. What do you think of it? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/384 "2011-07-14T19:29:05Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Huh!! > > Well if that’s what you think > > **Vote Pedescribe** > > I know it’s not going to be seen as a good vote, sorry about your teeth **Normal** but I really haven’t got a scummy vibe from anyone and I do want to live and I am Vanilla Town with no Power. Is your role PM the same as **KellyCriterions** or not? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/385 "2011-07-14T19:29:38Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Here’s rule 7: > > 1. If half of the surviving players +2 have locked their votes in by casting two simultaneous votes, the day will end. The required number of “locked in” players will be announced at the beginning of each day. I will round up - 21 players means that there are 13 players requires for the hammer. > > I was just looking over the rules again. I realized that this was a hammer rule. it’s designed to end a Day early. > > So that got me thinking, when do we need to end a Day early? When we all agree on a lynch target, right? So that means I’d most likely be using both of my votes on the same person. > > So why would we hammer if I had 2 different targets? > > Though, logically, my votes are simultaneous even if they are for different people. I can simultaneously do 2 different things. > > So that leads me to believe, and maybe I should have just asked the mods a question, which I’ll do now. > > \*\*Which of these cases would result in my votes being locked in: > > 1. I cast 2 votes in the same post for the same person. > 2. I cast 2 votes in the same post for 2 different people. > 3. I cast 2 votes in different posts for the same person. > 4. I cast 2 votes in different posts for different people.\*\* I understand what you’re saying here, but I think it was pretty clear what the rules meant, and that you currently have votes locked in for \*\*KellyCriterion \*\*and **septimus**. And I think you knew that before you asked the question. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/386 "2011-07-14T19:30:08Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Honestly I believe this is time wasting right now. If I haven’t screwed up the time zones again there’s only a few hours left in the day. There’s a clear vote leader at the moment with one or two other possible candidates. We should be focusing on lynching the right person rather than another long discussion about when and when not to use both votes. I’m just trying to clarify the rules. It’s never a bad time to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/387 "2011-07-14T19:32:46Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m just trying to clarify the rules. It’s never a bad time to do that. It is when locked votes aren’t going to matter a damn since the day will end in an hour or two anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/388 "2011-07-14T19:32:47Z")
[QUOTE=Astral Rejection] Class: Mage Alignment: Defenders of De’endee Role: NPC Win Condition: You win when all threats to the Defenders of De’endee are vanquished and at least one member of the Defenders of De’endee is still alive. Powers: None. [/QUOTE] well this is it ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/389 "2011-07-14T19:33:27Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > In an effort to give you all more content from me \* ie Who the heck is LightFoot the dummy that didn’t even know she was in the game \* > > The subject of leveling up was bandied about early in the day and I don’t recall anyone having the same POV on it as I have. > The rational approach (to me) is to make sure you are voting who you\* think is Scummiest. If they are lynched you\* get a ‘bonus’ and level up. If they are not lynched it’s just like any other game . > > \*generic you From Post 1 of this thread: “Lynching scum will award XP for all players who voted for that player.” I take that to mean that you earn XP if, and only if, you vote for the lynch candidate \*\*AND \*\*that person is Scum. If we lynch Town, nobody gets XP (except possibly Scum, if they have a different mechanism). ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/390 "2011-07-14T19:34:13Z")
Sorry, 3 hours according to the countdown timer you posted earlier. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/391 "2011-07-14T19:39:35Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > well this is it What did you think about the fact that your character class didn’t match kelly’s? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/392 "2011-07-14T19:43:24Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > \*\*Which of these cases would result in my votes being locked in: > > 1. I cast 2 votes in the same post for the same person. > 2. I cast 2 votes in the same post for 2 different people. > 3. I cast 2 votes in different posts for the same person. > 4. I cast 2 votes in different posts for different people.\*\* [I clarified this here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14002121&postcount=94) It’s 1 and 3, when you have two votes on the same person. As soon as you have a second vote on the same person as your first one, they are irremovable. It does not matter whether it is in the same post or not. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/393 "2011-07-14T19:43:34Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > From Post 1 of this thread: > > “Lynching scum will award XP for all players who voted for that player.” > > I take that to mean that you earn XP if, and only if, you vote for the lynch candidate \*\*AND \*\*that person is Scum. If we lynch Town, nobody gets XP (except possibly Scum, if they have a different mechanism). I thought that is what I said. I was sort of responding to the double thinking posts about power voting a leader to possibly gain XP vs Vanilla voting a leader to smoke screen the power roles. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/394 "2011-07-14T19:48:24Z")
Maybe I am a bit thick but I would love to know what NPC means ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/395 "2011-07-14T19:48:50Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > \*\*Which of these cases would result in my votes being locked in: > > 1. I cast 2 votes in the same post for the same person. > 2. I cast 2 votes in the same post for 2 different people. > 3. I cast 2 votes in different posts for the same person. > 4. I cast 2 votes in different posts for different people.\*\* 1. You are locked in. 2. You are not locked in. 3. You are locked in. 4. You are not locked in. And, as requested, a vote count: **KellyCriterion (7):** Stanislaus [204], Choie [247], Scathach [293], special ed [295], TexCat [315]. Suburban Plankton [342], LightFoot [361] **Silver Jan (4):** Red Skeezix [233]. ShadowFacts [360], Romanic [363], pedescribe [369] **Askthepizzaguy (3):** gnarlycharlie [228]. Koldanar [238], Septimus [248] **Koldanar (2):** Askthepizzaguy [225]. Mental Guy [219] **Normal Phase (1):** KellyCriterion [213] **Septimus (1):** Normal Phase [338], **special ed (1):** special ed [372] **pedescribe (1):** Silver Jan [382] With these votes, KellyCriterion would be lynched. Day ends in about 3 hours and some change. As a side note, I will not be here for the day end, and Mahaloth will be posting the lynch results. Day ends at 6 sharp; no votes or unvotes will be accepted after 5:59. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/396 "2011-07-14T19:50:27Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Maybe I am a bit thick but I would love to know what NPC means Non Player Character. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/397 "2011-07-14T19:51:45Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Huh!! > > Well if that’s what you think > > Vote Pedescribe > > I know it’s not going to be seen as a good vote, sorry about your teeth **Normal** but I really haven’t got a scummy vibe from anyone and I do want to live and I am Vanilla Town with no Power. Voting pedescribe doesn’t help you live, not directly or indirectly. Perversely, that helps you even more with me. I’m going to put my second vote back on Kelly. I’m not encouraged by his failure to appear today. I’m not remotely unhappy the unvotes happened, but at this point I want him lynched. **vote: KellyCriterion** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/398 "2011-07-14T19:52:33Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > \*\*Which of these cases would result in my votes being locked in: > > > > 1. I cast 2 votes in the same post for the same person. > > 2. I cast 2 votes in the same post for 2 different people. > > 3. I cast 2 votes in different posts for the same person. > > 4. I cast 2 votes in different posts for different people.\*\* > > [I clarified this here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14002121&postcount=94) > > It’s 1 and 3, when you have two votes on the same person. As soon as you have a second vote on the same person as your first one, they are irremovable. It does not matter whether it is in the same post or not. Apparently, I stand corrected. In that case, I apologize to Ed for thinking he was up to some hijinks (in that particular post, that is. I’m quite certain he is in fact up to some hijinks in general :)) So just to clarify, since I am apparently no paying near as close attention to this game as I thought I was: As long as I don’t cast two votes for the same person, I am free to have multiple votes on the board all Day long, and change them as often as I wish? I am currently voting for **Kelly**. I can vote for **Ed** again now, then change my mind and vote for \*\*Pinkies \*\*and **Inner Stickler** , then work my way through the entire Town, as long as I don’t have two votes on the same player at the same time? ☹ I must now rethink a whole bunch of thoughts that I had concerning voting strategy. But I am comfortable with my vote as it stands currently. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/399 "2011-07-14T19:52:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > [I clarified this here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14002121&postcount=94) > > It’s 1 and 3, when you have two votes on the same person. As soon as you have a second vote on the same person as your first one, they are irremovable. It does not matter whether it is in the same post or not. Thanks. @ Everyone, so all this fretting about not casting our second votes is for naught. Unless we cast them for the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/400 "2011-07-14T19:53:09Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Non Player Character. So why was that in my PM as I am obviously plaing? playing [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=21)