# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/721 "2011-07-20T20:22:40Z")
Although I love playing this game, I am at a loss as to how to fight for myself anymore, if I change the subject, I must be scum, if I carry on fighting I must be scum. I may seem calmer in this game because I have tried to put a filter between my brain and my mouth (hands). In the game on giraffe I made an awful mistake and I could have outed another scum 2 days (nights) in a row, I was very emotional in that game, RL stuff really got to me. In this game RL stuff is good, cept for the power failure which prevented me from writing. I am often verbose and just spew things out, as some of you know. If I’m not lynched I will go on a serious scum hunt but at the moment I am not sure of **Ed** , he brought up the thing about me being coached and then he wonders why people are still bringing it up (if I’ve got that right) **Vote Special Ed** I still don’t get your reasoning as to why I would be coached and still look scummy, as you said, you have played with me before. BTW this is is not an OMGUS if it was I would have voted for **choie** again. I think I need coaching on how to use these boards, I want to do nested quotes and quote from various places and spoilers, is anyone giving lessons? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/722 "2011-07-20T20:32:40Z")
I’ve had the time to go over a few players’ posts in detail. Briefly, **choie** She started off by pushing the “I’m just a newbie, and I don’t know anything” angle hard, but has backed off on that in recent days, probably because several people had mentioned that it was off-putting. Really, that’s a null-tell. I don’t see anything terribly off-putting in her voting history so far. **Septimus** He didn’t like \*\*Askthepizzaguy’s \*\*voting on Day 1, or on Day 2. Other than that, hasn’t even attempted to make a case against anyone, other than a smudge on \*\*LightFoot \*\*in [Post 2-525](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14034115&postcount=525): “Lightfoot’s claim might be a beautiful ploy if she were Scum” **texcat** I took a look at \*\*texcat \*\*because it was his post [D2-600](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14040873&postcount=600) that seems to have given the \*\*Septimus \*\*bandwagon new life. I didn’t find a great deal: He was suspicous of \*\*KellyCriterion’s \*\*claim on Day 1. He thinks \*\*Scathach’s \*\*non-reveal indicates the presence of 3rd-Parties He was very critical of \*\*Askthepizzaguy’s \*\*double-vote on **Septimus** He thought \*\*Septimus \*\*and \*\*choie \*\*have been too ‘cozy’ **unvote choie** I was put off by her emphasis on her newbieness, but looking at the pattern of her posts I think now it had more to do with her being new than being Scum and trying to project an image. \*\*Septimus \*\*seems to be laying low. He was rather active early on in discussing the voting mechanics, but doesn’t seem to be trying hard to locate Scum. But I am more bothered by **texcat**. He had essentially nothing to say on Day 1 until \*\*Kelly’s \*\*claim, which he criticized, then voted against, and then he disappeared. Day 2 he criticized \*\*ATPG’s \*\*votes against **Septimus** , then his next post was a criticism of **Septimus** which fueled the subsequent votes, such that \*\*Septimus \*\*is now one vote away (\*\*texcat’s \*\*perhaps?) from being tied for the vote lead. **vote texcat** ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/723 "2011-07-20T20:33:58Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > If I’m not lynched I will go on a serious scum hunt. What’s stopping you from doing it now before you get lynched? > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I think I need coaching on how to use these boards, I want to do nested quotes and quote from various places and spoilers, is anyone giving lessons? Check in ATMB, there is information there plus you can practice. You can always “preview” a post without submitting it, too. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/724 "2011-07-20T20:37:51Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > What’s stopping you from doing it now before you get lynched? > Check in ATMB, there is information there plus you can practice. You can always “preview” a post without submitting it, too. Cos it’s 10.30pm and I have no idea when day ends. What is ATMB? I know I can preview a post but when I go there I can’t get back to add more quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/725 "2011-07-20T20:39:17Z")
**Septimus(4): Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy, Normal, Specialed, ShadowFacts(2): Normal, Redskeezix Gnarly(1): Mentalguy, Koldanar(2): Mentalguy, Lightfoot Normal(2): Choie, Gnarly Askthepizzaguy(5):, Pedescribe, Pedescribe, Septimus, Weedy, USCDiver Silver Jan(5): Choie, Specialed, Suburban, Redskeezix, Innerstickler, Choie(2): SilverJan, USCDiver(1): Gnarly Mentalguy(1): Stanislaus Specialed(1): SilverJan Texcat(1): Suburban** \*\*Silverjan is on the chopping block currently. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/726 "2011-07-20T20:48:40Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Although I love playing this game, I am at a loss as to how to fight for myself anymore, if I change the subject, I must be scum, if I carry on fighting I must be scum. > > I may seem calmer in this game because I have tried to put a filter between my brain and my mouth (hands). In the game on giraffe I made an awful mistake and I could have outed another scum 2 days (nights) in a row, I was very emotional in that game, RL stuff really got to me. In this game RL stuff is good, cept for the power failure which prevented me from writing. I am often verbose and just spew things out, as some of you know. > > If I’m not lynched I will go on a serious scum hunt but at the moment I am not sure of **Ed** , he brought up the thing about me being coached and then he wonders why people are still bringing it up (if I’ve got that right) > > **Vote Special Ed** > > I still don’t get your reasoning as to why I would be coached and still look scummy, as you said, you have played with me before. BTW this is is not an OMGUS if it was I would have voted for **choie** again. > > I think I need coaching on how to use these boards, I want to do nested quotes and quote from various places and spoilers, is anyone giving lessons? huh? Did I give off the indication that I was wondering why people are still bringing it up? I was pointing out the reason for me making the comment. Here’s a chronolgoy maybe to keep it all in perspective, as it actually had nothing to do with my vote: 1. I voted for Silver Jan for acting Scummy 2. AskThePizzaGuy did an analysis of Silver Jan and made some comments on how her behavior appeared to be Town-like 3. I pointed out how her behavior might appear Town-like to a player new to her style if she were being coached. Just a possibility. No where did I insinuate that her behavior was perfectly Townie. My reason for voting was not that I thought it possible that she were being coached. I continued to answer questions about my comment while indicating that I was not backing up that comment with the strength of too much evidence, just listing it as a possibility. I do quite frequently make comments on things that are possible so that we don’t close our minds or go off treating what is an assumption as a fact. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/727 "2011-07-20T20:51:55Z")
NETA being coached and acting Scummy are not mutually exclusive, btw. She could be coached or even independently attempting to change her playstyle and still act Scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/728 "2011-07-20T20:57:04Z")
I have looked at the vote count and my immediate reaction was to unvote and vote for \*\*Septimus \*\*(twice) just so I wouldn’t be lynched. I still want to do that but I couldn’t justify it, so although I will not go quietly I will not place a vote on someone that I haven’t considered before. I might change my mind tomorrow 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/729 "2011-07-20T20:59:08Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > NETA being coached and acting Scummy are not mutually exclusive, btw. She could be coached or even independently attempting to change her playstyle and still act Scummy. “She” is the cats mother! Stay calm Jan! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/730 "2011-07-20T21:12:30Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > “She” is the cats mother! Stay calm Jan! you were coached to say that “for obvious reasons” ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/731 "2011-07-20T21:13:49Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I have looked at the vote count and my immediate reaction was to unvote and vote for \*\*Septimus \*\*(twice) just so I wouldn’t be lynched. I still want to do that but I couldn’t justify it, so although I will not go quietly I will not place a vote on someone that I haven’t considered before. I might change my mind tomorrow 🙂 I don’t think you can. If I understand the “two votes for one person = immutable permavote” rule correctly, you’ve already shot your wad by voting twice for me. That means you’re locked and loaded on me… and in so doing, may have inadvertently aimed at yourself, too. A bit of an own goal, to use a UK expression. 🙂 As far as **Askthepizzaguy** ’s controversial style of play, I do find it frustrating not so much if he’s scum, but if he’s Town. Because it seems to me that if one’s posting style is so, uh, eccentric that it continually puts you in the firing line and makes you The Big Issue, you’re basically distracting your fellow townies from doing _real_ scumhunting. In short, if you really are town, **pizza** , maybe it would behoove you to stop taking such darn pride in having a posting style that puts you at the center of the heated attention. If you’re scum… well, hey, keep it up. We’ll get you on the gibbet where you belong. Does this mean I think he’s scum? Heckifiknow. I believe I put a FOS on him on Day 1, but right now I simply can_not_ get a good read on him. He’s WIFOMed the hell outta me, but good. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/732 "2011-07-20T21:26:22Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I have looked at the vote count and my immediate reaction was to unvote and vote for \*\*Septimus \*\*(twice) just so I wouldn’t be lynched. I still want to do that but I couldn’t justify it, so although I will not go quietly I will not place a vote on someone that I haven’t considered before. I might change my mind tomorrow 🙂 Just out of curiosity, why \*\*Septimus \*\*necessarily? You could achieve the same result by voting for **Askthepizzaguy**. @ **choie** , by my count, **Silver Jan** is voting for you and for **Ed** , so she is not ‘locked in’. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/733 "2011-07-20T21:32:15Z")
Yeah, I even went back and looked at Silver Jan’s posts and I don’t see any posts from her Today with more than the one vote for choie so I’m not sure where she got the Silver Jan is locked in from. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/734 "2011-07-20T21:35:30Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > you were coached to say that “for obvious reasons” Now you owe me some wine, for obvious reasons! and maybe a new laptop lol, wine down the nose is not good:) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/735 "2011-07-20T21:37:38Z")
@ **choie** hehe I did not vote twice for you, so I can do as I please. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/736 "2011-07-20T21:42:19Z")
@ **Suburban Plankton** , I could vote for **Pizza** but I don’t think he’s scum. I really don’t like the gloating from **choie** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/737 "2011-07-20T21:45:33Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > @ **choie** , by my count, **Silver Jan** is voting for you and for **Ed** , so she is not ‘locked in’. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Yeah, I even went back and looked at Silver Jan’s posts and I don’t see any posts from her Today with more than the one vote for choie so I’m not sure where she got the Silver Jan is locked in from. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > @ **choie** hehe I did not vote twice for you, so I can do as I please. Oops, my mistake. I got it from **Mahaloth** ’s post: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Choie(2): SilverJan, I apologize, **Silver Jan**! Vote for whomever you want. Assuming they’re scum, natch. Edited to add: Yeah, I was gloating, I guess. I thought you’d put yourself in a bad position due to your OMGUS anti-me votes. So yer darn right I was marginally amused by the thought. What can I say, I’m not always sweetness and light! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/738 "2011-07-20T21:55:37Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t think you can. If I understand the “two votes for one person = immutable permavote” rule correctly, you’ve already shot your wad by voting twice for me. That means you’re locked and loaded on me… and in so doing, may have inadvertently aimed at yourself, too. > > A bit of an own goal, to use a UK expression. This sounds far to smug for me and although I was a bit flippant in my original reply this does not sit well with me. It sounds too smurky and yay \*\*Jan \*\*made a mistake and so everyone else will believe me. I so want to change my second vote to **choie** but I am very afraid of “shooting my wad!”!!! Her response sounds like yay, I have one over on **SJ** , which to me looks like SCUM! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/739 "2011-07-20T22:00:51Z")
@ **choie** , I am always sweetness and light 'cept when I am a vindictive bee with an itch 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/740 "2011-07-20T23:44:35Z")
I was planning to review, and do productive scumhunting, but I just keep going back and forth in my mind over ATPG. I know a big part of my problem with him is his style, and that is not a good reason to vote someone, but it is just exhausting having to disentangle that reaction from everything he says. I would like to not have to think about him so much, but I have this vote on him, and he is pretty near the lynch lead, and I don’t really want to lynch him if he’s not scum. In his favour: a number of people who say he seems Town to them. They can’t all be scum-buddies. Against him: the blythe way he chucks votes around, with little attempt at justification. On Day 1, this was sort of understandable, but today he has two votes on Septimus that he himself is only 40% comfortable with, and which are basically OMGUS votes. Sometimes people don’t make cases because they are pressed for time, or not that involved, but that does not seem to be the case for ATPG. He says he votes to put pressure on people, but I don’t really see how this works, if they are not attached to cases. I feel at a disadvantage here, because this seems to be one of those ‘advanced techniques’ that I know experienced players use but I don’t have the expertise for, so it’s all space biscuits as far as I’m concerned. Conclusion: Style aside, I am not sure if he is town playing a long game, or scum hiding in plain sight. A few people seem to want him, so they can have him. **unvote Askthepizzaguy** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=38)