# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1241 "2011-07-29T17:06:04Z")
All right, this is the first person who was around toward end of Day and didn’t vote Texcat, Septimus, or ShadowFacts. > [@choie](#): > > Yeah I’ve been silent for a while now because I don’t think I’m following things very well because… well, I can’t even say it. It’s the Reason I Dare Not Mention – the one that I’ve supposedly repeated too often. Fill in the blank yourself; apparently it should be easy to, since I’m so boringly repetitive! > > But it’s getting to be endgame for Daytime and it’s only fair that I contribute, because silence doesn’t help town as far as I can see. Something **Normal** said needs to be rebutted. > > (snip comment of mine that Shadow’s claim could fit with an LoS “rogue” power-stealer) > > Erm, I make no claim of **Shadowfacts** ’s guilt or innocence here, because frankly I have _no freakin’ clue_ and besides, his powers seem kind of useless to me – what would the point of a message be, exactly? Roleblocks are useless now? Having four votes instead of two is useless? Do you honestly believe what you wrote here? If you don’t, why’d you write it? > [@](#): > > I do agree that purely dramatically / color-wise, there’s a possibility that a Lord of Slaughter might be granted the ability to steal power from a dead townie. This would be the sort of sleazy evil thing I’d expect from an evil, tricksy power role. Of course we still haven’t gotten mod-confirmation that **special ed** was townie in the first place, have we? We’re just going by **Shadowfacts** ’s PM, right? Yes – which role you are busy questioning my doubt of. Why did you bring this up? There was no reason to doubt Ed’s towniness, regardless what you think of ShadowFacts: the mere fact of his death (and its manner), plus the statistically small numbers of third parties that might be expected, would argue he was probably town – as would his sticking his neck out to try to get Septimus lynched on day two. You’re making the same sort of error here that originally pinged me about SF himself, and a similar error to Septimus’ reason for voting TexCat (SP also, though after his vote): Ed being town was a reasaonable assumption, and there’s no real reason to have to ever qualify it as something hugely uncertain. Yet you do so here. Why? > [@](#): > > But anyway, as **Normal** was the one to remind us of in your lecture way back when, our roles appear to be unconnected to people’s powers or personalities. **Silver Jan** was a Mage but had no magic powers. And of course, you claimed to be a Shaman without powers. > > So why now use **Shadowfacts** ’s “rogue” role against him? > > I think it’s 'cause that’s your M.O. It fits the preconcieved notion you’ve planted on him since before Hector was a pup. You seem absolutely bent on deciding someone’s guilt and then filtering everything they say through that prism, no matter how illogical – or whether (in this case) it disagrees with your own previous statements. Sorry, but BS that it disagrees with anything I’ve said or implied. NPC rolenames and classes varying so as to prevent vanilla handshaking is one thing (and something I had evidence of in comparing my own role to the public vanilla one since night zero to boot): power role names being wildly divergent from the powers attached to them is another. I’ve never expected that to be the case, and I’ve seen no evidence yet that it would be. Lightfoot claims Seer, a perfect match for detective. Ed’s mystic role could be anything, and that’s pretty much what his powers are too: a hodgepodge of different things. I would expect rogue to be a thief in some sense. And in fact SF is that, whether the definition was stretched by Astral (him really being the backup he claims) or by SF himself (the role being a white-washed version of his real scum one). > [@](#): > > Maybe this is how Mafia is supposed to be played, but I think it’s a poor, illogical and possibly dangerously irresponsible way to determine guilt or innocence. That may work on Day One, when we have so little info to go on, but we’re long past that now. Indeed we are. I think this is an appropriate point to remind people of your various cases against me. Day Two: You don’t get why I woudl have role-claimed, so I must have been saving Silver Jan. Day Three: Oh, Jan’s dead and a townie. You don’t get why I would have role-claimed, so I must have been using her role as cover for my own. You’re willing to take that one thing that you don’t understand, and upon that – hardly even on anything else I’ve ever done or said, which is NOT like I’ve been doing with ShadowFActs – decide I’m worth your sole and only suspicion and vote. Even if the scum rationale behind this thing I did has to turn 180 degrees in the process. And you can still turn around and criticize me for my pursuit of ShadowFacts? > [@](#): > > This I agree wholeheartedly with. I don’t like the two-vote convention and I sure as _hell_ don’t like the possibility of a quadruple vote. > > Finally: Everything everyone says about **septimus** , **Shadowfacts** , **Suburban Plankton** , and **Texcat** seems double-edged to me. They could each be guilty or innocent equally as far as I can tell. Basically y’all have WIFOMed me into a gibbering idiot state, where I can’t decide for the life of me which way to best frame their behaviors. **Lightfoot** eludes me completely. S/he’s told us _nothing_ useful as far as I can see, and yet we’re all eagerly hopping from foot to foot to accommodate whatever so-called power s/he has. Some have even implied that s/he’s confirmed townie, but I’ll be damned if I can see where that happened. I don’t understand what s/he’s able to accomplish so far – indeed do we have any evidence that s/he’s town, or that s/he’s done anything whatsoever to justify his/her claim? Most games have detectives. Even those that don’t will generally be assumed to have one by the scum until otherwise indicated. Lightfoot claimed on day two, long before the scum could have any such certainty. She hasn’t been counterclaimed. There’s virtually no chance the scum could have taken advantage of the delayed reveal to have pulled some sort of funny business. She’s town. > [@](#): > > So, yeah. I’m drowning in indecision here, which I know makes me either totally useless to town or seem scummy to those who are convinced that anything less than 100% confidence means omgscum. Hardly. But handwaving away a choice among three vote leaders with a “oh gosh I can’t pick any of them it’s all WIFOM” … that’s not useful. And I don’t remotely think you’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1242 "2011-07-29T17:22:46Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > ☹ Don’t be disappointed with me, Pizza. If you want to think me scummy for keeping my votes split, that’s one thing, but I don’t think I can handle being perceived as wimpy or stupid right now given how other recent games have gone. I’m just not happy. Oh believe me, I’ve suffered major hits to my confidence level lately. I haven’t had a game go right since our last game as mafia. It’s just that folks I’d trust to make an informed decision, (perhaps) yourself, lightfoot, others only voting once “on principle” etc need to realize that the scumbags have no principles and don’t need to read arguments and make informed decisions, they simply need to slaughter townies. Townies will vote divided when they’re not sure. Scum are sure. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1243 "2011-07-29T17:36:09Z")
If ShadowFacts is scum, the fact that he can boost the voting power of his teammates is such an important power that it’s likely his survival single-handedly wins the game for them. He doesn’t need to boost his own voting power, he just needs to plop it down on his teammates silently. Even if my jihad against him succeeds, his teammates (plural) voting powers have doubled. That means additional rounds go by and more townies die, and even if the townies finally decide he’s a scumbag, it won’t matter at all. So here’s my conclusion: \*\*ShadowFacts uses his vote-spreading power on Lightfoot tomorrow, or he dies. Then, he uses his vote-spreading power on Lightfoot’s claimed scanned townie role, or he dies.\*\* Only then, ONLY then, will I feel that we’ve compensated for the risk of leaving him alive with the role he has. His role is perhaps the most dangerous one in the game, regardless of alignment, and I hope everyone understands the stakes. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1244 "2011-07-29T17:50:03Z")
Oh, god, I never saw what Texcat said with her vote. > [@TexCat](#): > > \*\*[COLOR=“Red”]Unvote: Suburban Plankton > \*\*[COLOR=“Blue”]Vote: ShadowFacts > Vote: ShadowFacts > Looks like a scum claim to me. Hey, a townie agrees with me! LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1245 "2011-07-29T18:04:08Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > Unfortunately, I have not been able to get on the computer since all this hit the fan until just a few minutes ago. I have not really had time to digest this and make an informed decision. While I feel septimus’ claim is the weakest and the most likely to be a scum cover, I can see where Shadow’s powers could be dangerous to Town if scum. That said, I am not really comfortable voting for Shadow’s lynch with the small amount of time I have had to consider his claim. Locking in my votes for septimus would not accomplish much, so I am just going to let my votes stand as they are. Vote count here is 10 Texcat, 8 Shadow. Meh. Mental Guy is giving nothing to grab onto here, but still strikes me as playing very safe overall. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1246 "2011-07-29T18:07:04Z")
That’s it in that category, just choie and Mental Guy. I think TexCat’s idea that some scum might be bandwagoning behind my case against her is also worth considering, but maybe I shouldn’t be the one to look at those votes. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1247 "2011-07-29T19:12:58Z")
I’m not caught up I’m in Canada for my class reunion. my laptop is apparently toast. posting this from the library. I’ll get in here when I can. Probably won’t have access proper til Wednesday (I did get my night action in early and it was accepted) I will try to check in b4 EON ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1248 "2011-07-29T21:47:00Z")
Assuming I’m not dead, I’m more than happy to take suggestions on how/who to use my Voting power. If there is a strong consensus about how to use them, I will listen. (Though I won’t take ultimatums, thank you very much.) **ATPGs** ultimatums are obviously premature at this point. We don’t know if **Lightfoot** will come back with a result, we don’t know if other power roles might present themselves, etc. For example, if **Lightfoot** comes back with a Scum result, I suspect that person will be lynched easily with a broad consensus and me charging **Lightfoot** would be a total waste. So, I’ll see how things play out a bit before making decisions. [QUOTE=ATPG] If ShadowFacts is scum, the fact that he can boost the voting power of his teammates is such an important power that it’s likely his survival single-handedly wins the game for them. [/QUOTE] I largely agree with this, but since I know I’m not scum, allow me to emphasize the flip side. My vote power used for Town can be just as decisive. If we can use this power to best advantage, it will be much harder for scum vote shenanigans. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1249 "2011-07-29T23:11:22Z")
On borrowed odd pad thingy"…can,t format proper…"…I hope I get a result that can be used tomorrow… If I can,t get back here remember that I am shooting in the dark too and so far not too well. Is there a good reason for what I think I saw as a pile on innocent… We know now… Texcat besides one of the other two being a Baddie? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1250 "2011-07-29T23:39:36Z")
I find that hard to believe, Shadow, given that the only person you seem to suspect at the moment, the only person you’ve remotely taken a position on since sometime early on day two, is me, and I am town. And given that if I were scum, I would kill you tonight no question. You don’t seem concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1251 "2011-07-30T03:53:51Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Assuming I’m not dead, I’m more than happy to take suggestions on how/who to use my Voting power. If there is a strong consensus about how to use them, I will listen. (Though I won’t take ultimatums, thank you very much.) What defines a strong consensus, and whose opinion will you listen to? > [@](#): > > **ATPGs** ultimatums are obviously premature at this point. Mmm not obvious to me. I’m still assuming I’ll be dead and silent in the morning. This is time I have to use, SF. > [@](#): > > We don’t know if **Lightfoot** will come back with a result, we don’t know if other power roles might present themselves, etc. For example, if **Lightfoot** comes back with a Scum result, I suspect that person will be lynched easily with a broad consensus and me charging **Lightfoot** would be a total waste. So, I’ll see how things play out a bit before making decisions. Deciding is one thing, but wasting time and ducking around instead of discussing our options is decisive in favoring the Lords of Slaughter. I’m making my wishes clear if I die/when I flip townie. > [@](#): > > I largely agree with this, but since I know I’m not scum, allow me to emphasize the flip side. My vote power used for Town can be just as decisive. If we can use this power to best advantage, it will be much harder for scum vote shenanigans. I am not as confident, especially since if you \*are \*town, you could very well be ground beef by the morning. ShadowFacts, I just want to say you’re being a hell of a sport given the kind of pressure I’m dumping on you, and I thank you for not taking it personally. If I am wrong about you, I know full well just how annoying this probably is. I’m following my gut, and watching out for threats and risks to the town. It’s vitally important that the folks do not just give you a pass, and I’m very disappointed we didn’t press harder for you to prove yourself in this past round. That said, if your vote power gets spread around, then all we’d lose with your death is a couple of roleblocks, and I assume you’re wisely going to use one of them tonight. Heads up, it’s not me who you have to block, just in case you were wondering, but if you block me you won’t be interfering with pro-town activity. You just also won’t stop a murder. If you are a Lord of slaughter or other risk to the town, it’s vital that you’re at the very least neutralized by spreading that vote power around and not onto yourself, preferably onto folks who we assume will be murdered before the end of the game due to power role claim or scanned as innocent. Once that happens, if you’re a scumbag then it’s still important you die, but not game-losing if it doesn’t happen immediately. If you are a townie, then it’s still a good idea to use your powers up before you die, otherwise you weren’t much different from a vanilla role. I’m going to try to re-examine things and see if I can’t figure out who your partners were if you were scum. But I’ll also be fair and try to see where I think the scums are if you’re townie. I’d be kinda baffled if I were still alive in the morning, so I’ll try to get it done before the start of the day. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1252 "2011-07-30T04:59:43Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > ShadowFacts, I just want to say you’re being a hell of a sport given the kind of pressure I’m dumping on you, and I thank you for not taking it personally. If I am wrong about you, I know full well just how annoying this probably is. I’m following my gut, and watching out for threats and risks to the town. It’s vitally important that the folks do not just give you a pass, and I’m very disappointed we didn’t press harder for you to prove yourself in this past round. It’s nearly 1am, and I really need to put head to pillow, but I was just stopping in, so let me say: no worries at all, I’ve learned not to take this game personally. Pile it on! That goes for **Normal Phase** and everyone else who suspects me, too. It’s just a game and it’s all good. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1253 "2011-07-30T10:08:28Z")
Oog. I’m running into my own mortality here under time pressure. I have an unusually early shift in the next half day, I can’t spend hours doing the analysis I promised. If I end up dead in the morning, I won’t be able to do it then. But here’s what I was about to do, for those who care, if I die and soon flip townie. 1.) Look at all of the votes, in order, from the past round. Just the votes, ignore the reasoning for now. 2.) Assuming ShadowFacts is scum, who tried to get alternative candidates lynched? Main alternatives were septimus and TexCat, some others. Pay attention to who voted whom and when, in what order, and what the tally was at each change. 3.) Assuming ShadowFacts is townie, TexCat is townie, and Pizza is townie, the question becomes if septimus was townie or not. If septimus was scum, also look at who voted for whom and when. If none of the main candidates were scum, then not much can be learned from this round. If someone looks suspicious based on the vote analysis, pertaining to ShadowFacts, look also at where they voted in prior rounds when Jan and Kelly were lynched. See if you spot anything, though I doubt it because Jan, Kelly, and Pizza were all townie. Depends on if septimus is scum. Then the previous round becomes important as well. ShadowFacts must give up the voting power tomorrow to someone else. That much cannot be negotiated on, and you MUST be extremely careful who it is given to. Giving it to another scumbag besides Shadow helps you not one bit. That’s the thought I’ll have to leave you with. I’m sorry I couldn’t do more before morning. If I’m alive then I’ll do the lifting, but if not, I trust several independent people to do the work, that way the results won’t be as tainted by mafia scum. I think it’s an important and more concrete analysis than some of the other types I’ve done (psychological, activity, etc), the results should not be as easily disputed and should be more fact and less gut or theory. **That’s all folks. Good luck.** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1254 "2011-07-30T12:52:39Z")
Shadowfacts, why didn’t you use your message power during the day, given you didn’t use the vote one? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1255 "2011-07-30T23:01:22Z")
Daybreak. A warm breeze gently floated down from the hills surrounding the town of De’endee. The morning was peaceful; to any travelers passing by, it would have looked like any other sleepy village. Only the guards, red-eyed and shivering more from nerves than chill, indicated that something wasn’t right here. The night had been painfully silent. Those that couldn’t sleep spent the night in a restless panic, sharp chills going down their spines every time they heard the trees rustle or the wind hiss. Animals had learned to stay away from De’endee - during their search the day before, the adventurers had found scores of carcasses, mutilated and destroyed. Curtains were cautiously pulled back; eyes peered from the shadows. Nobody wanted to be the first to leave their houses. Nobody wanted to be first to find out who had died. Waking up alive was enough, for now. Plenty of time left in the day to grieve. * * * “You counted them all?” The barbarian asked. “Yes, goddammit, I counted them all.” The archer threw up his hands, exasperated. “I get the same number every time.” “Then you’re wrong. Do it again.” The mayor of De’endee walked forward. “What’s wrong? Who died?” The barbarian nodded at the archer. “Tell him.” “Well, we’ve got a problem.” The mayor’s head dropped. His voice was a coarse whisper. “They killed more than one last night, didn’t they.” The archer shook his head. “No. That’s the problem. They didn’t kill anybody. I don’t get it.” * * * **Day has arrived, and will last until Thursday, August 4th at 6 pm central time.** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1256 "2011-07-30T23:11:30Z")
Well, that’s a welcome surprise. I just dropped in to check on the Night’s activities, but probably won’t be back until tomorrow morning. We unexpectedly found ourselves with two extra dogs this weekend, so things are a bit hectic around here. One goes home tonight, so tomorrow ought to be a bit calmer… ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1257 "2011-07-30T23:15:25Z")
YES!!! That was me, ladies and gentleman! Full report coming momentarily, but I just need to gloat for a second: EAT IT, SUCKERS!!! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1258 "2011-07-30T23:24:16Z")
OK, more “professionally”: I used my BLOCK power last night on **Red Skeezix**. Here is the message I just received: [QUOTE=Astral Rejection] You performed the ritual flawlessly. Sharp green tendrils of – smoke? magic? – curled away into the darkness. Content, you close ed’s book, stuffing it into your pack. Suddenly, you stop, alert: a sharp snap of a broken twig. Soundlessly, you dart away, your rogue skills coming in handy. As you head into the darkness, you catch a glimpse of a figure, chasing after you. You smile to yourself, and you disappear. [/QUOTE] I am 100% positive that \*\*Skeezix \*\*is Scum, he was trying to kill me, and I BLOCKED him. **Vote Red Skeezix** (I am sure that I will double that up later.) ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1259 "2011-07-30T23:27:28Z")
PS. Gods, that was \*incredibly \*satisfying. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1260 "2011-07-31T01:15:48Z")
No death tonight! That’s great news! Go Town!!! Now, about the accusation **ShadowFacts** has made about **Red Skeezix** , let me just play devils advocate for a moment. There are multiple reasons that there might not have been a death tonight. [ol] [li]Red is scum who was doing the kill tonight, and ShadowFacts saved his own life by roleblocking him.[/li][li]We have a doctor who guessed correctly on the night kill.[/li][li]ShadowFacts is really scum, and the scum decided to not kill anyone in order to play a trick, and make us lynch a townie.[/li][li]Some other reason I haven’t thought of[/li][/ol] However, while I fear 3 could be a possibility, I’ve looked through **Red Skeezix** ’s posts, (which there weren’t many), and his vote history (He has only voted for known town, or the safe votes of the day [Like **Septimus**]), and I’m not seeing anything that yells “TOWNIE” at me, and honestly, it looked like Red was trying not to say much at all. So, for now, I’m going to: **Vote Red Skeezix** Because number 1 could be true, but even if number 2 is true, there is nothing in Red’s posts that make me doubt he might be scum. Well, back to studying for my Law exam! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=64)