# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1641 "2011-08-06T06:08:37Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Even with 5 scum, by the time anyone got to level 5, the scum would all be dead and the game over. (Unless there’s a pfk around.) And anyway, there’s a leveling cap for each day/night cycle making it so you can only gain, at most, one level any given day/night cycle. This quote makes me feel uneasy. Inner, when this night is over, I’m going to ask you directly who the heck you are, and I’m going to need an answer. I had figured you for the doctor all this time, but this quote does not fit the doctor role at all. As such, your actions are no longer viewed under the rosy sunglasses of maybe he’s a power role, that’s why he wants to wagon, to gain experience points. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1642 "2011-08-06T06:17:38Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > I realize you modify Inner Stickler with “to a lesser extent”, but what puts him on your list in the first place. Is it anything other than his late move to vote septimus yesterDay? In terms of why Stickler’s on the list, it’s a combination of things. The same actions I questioned Suburban and Weedy on, Inner took part in. The wagons to save septimus, the wagon to destroy septimus. I am figuring a scum was on those wagons. Now I’ve been carefully trying to rule people out as the doctor role before I heavily accuse them, because we don’t need more outed power roles, but Inner’s recent posts indicate he is not a power role. So he’s got all the scummy voting but none of the excuses. I realize he and I have been getting along pretty well for a while now and he has stated I am town, but at various points, Suburban, Shadow, and septimus all declared me town. Some even called me scum after, and then town again. I have strong leads on the scums I think, but if one eludes me, it could be Inner Stickler who has never had any serious pressure, doesn’t appear to have an excuse for his late votes. That said, he doesn’t ping me via \*behavior \*like the others do. it’s just the votes. I’m hoping my suspicions can be resolved by answering questions, but if not I’ll have to push a bit harder on Stickler. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1643 "2011-08-06T07:09:49Z")
I have a very strict no posting whilst drinking rule and I am trying to abide _dude_ The quiet ones need to “step up or get out the way” ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1644 "2011-08-06T07:12:46Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > This quote makes me feel uneasy. > > Inner, when this night is over, I’m going to ask you directly who the heck you are, and I’m going to need an answer. I had figured you for the doctor all this time, but this quote does not fit the doctor role at all. I’d love to know why. Other than the math error, it’s nothing more than a restatement of info from a mod post. I was on a wagon to save septimus? News to me. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1645 "2011-08-06T07:16:49Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Vote Count > > \*\*Septimus \*\*(6): Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy, Normal Phase, special ed, Normal Phase, special ed > Silver Jan (5): Choie, Suburban Plankton, Red Skeezix, \*\*Inner Stickler, \*\*Weedy > Askthepizzaguy (4): pedescribe, pedescribe, Septimus, USCDiver > special ed (3): Silver Jan, Silver Jan, Texcat > Normal Phase (3): Choie, gnarlycharlie, ShadowFacts > ShadowFacts (2): Hirka T’Bawa, Hirka T’Bawa > USCDiver (2): gnarlycharlie, Lightfoot > Hirka T’Bawa (replacing Koldanar) (2): Mental Guy, LightFoot > MentalGuy (1): Stanislaus > gnarlycharlie (1): Mental Guy > TexCat (1): Suburban Plankton > pedescribe (1): ShadowFacts > > With these votes, Septimus would be lynched. Day ends in roughly 10 minutes. Please check for any mistakes. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > **Unvote septimus** > > **Vote texcat > Vote texcat** \*\*These \*\*wagons to spare septimus. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1646 "2011-08-06T07:18:11Z")
**Full case on why Inner Stickler deserves to be a top suspect:** > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Well, if we’re wrong on both counts, we’ll burn through 50% more town. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > It would be great if we had a known scum and a suspicious player, other than that, I’d prefer to avoid lynching two players at the same time. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Unless it’s an egregious slip, I tend to suspect the player pointing out the slip more so than the player who made it. > I’m not going to vote a second time, I think, unless I’m pretty darn sure. Too bad Pleo isn’t playing, the two votes and frozen would mess with him bad. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I think I can safely say that Normal did not use Charisma as a dump stat. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > [oog]Turns out there’s no internet at the family vacation spot so I will be offline more than I thought until Tuesday. I’m looking for Starbucks as we speak though, so I shouldn’t be gone totally![/oog] Little can be read into these comments either way in any reliable fashion. Even if, for example, Inner flip-flops on the well-intentioned idea of not voting twice, that’s what townies will do. I’ve done it. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I’m back, he said sotto voce. > > Lightfoot’s claim is ill-considered from another perspective in that if there is a doc in this game, they are paranoid and so can only protect her at the expense of preventing her role action. I know this because I suffered through having to make that decision with Astral in the last game. It’s not a very fun impasse to be at. > > **Vote Silver Jan** > > She’s rubbing me the same way she did in the last game and she was scum so I see no reason not to suspect the same here. > > I disagree with skeezix’s case on shadowfacts on principle, in that I agree with Shadowfacts wholeheartedly. I am in no way swayed by, “I’m voting for so and so for the same reasons as yesterday.” It’s lazy. If you want to persuade me to vote for someone, take the 5 minutes to make a link or two. Especially here where we can’t have individual threads for each day and night. 1)\*\* Inner Stickler\*\* is among the first to mention the paranoid doc idea, if not the first. I think he’s the first. Have to check. This is why I figured, like Red Skeezix, Inner Stickler could have been breadcrumbing. I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop all game long, and Stickler hasn’t been attacked, and no one has claimed even when prompted to do so. And, wouldn’t a scum roleblocker claim paranoid doc, just to be able to have something important to claim later? As such, if Inner claims paranoid doc tomorrow, I’m not going to believe it. I’ll think scum roleblocker instead. Why this is interesting is because this is the only reason given for why it’s a bad idea. And, if Inner were such a doctor, this sort of post should scream at the scumbags “murder me”, and as such, it’s unwise to post it. 1. “I disagree with skeezix’s case on shadowfacts on principle, in that I agree with Shadowfacts wholeheartedly.” This isn’t a great way of finding someone innocent or guilty IMO. Agreeing on a policy is not hard for the scums to fake. It’s poor reasoning IMO, as such, I think it could be an example of **fake reasoning** not to follow Skeezix regarding ShadowFacts. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I’m wiling to go along with it for a little bit. I only read the one thread on the other board, but this seems pretty par for his course and if he can get results, then I’d be grateful for it. _blush_ Sorry… just doing my job here… uh moving on to the next post. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Yes, if there is a doc, there is a possibility that they are paranoid. And repeats it. I was almost sure that Stickler was saying this because Stickler knows the doc, and in a no PM reveal game, that means it would be Stickler. But it doesn’t add up. You don’t want to breadcrumb this kind of information. Unlike the vigilante, breadcrumbing a doctor/blocker action IS scummy. It’s not something that follows from the role. A vigilante has to explain himself, a doctor doesn’t, even a paranoid one. **Slight scum read on behavior.** Indicates prepping a claim later of being a paranoid doc, when Inner is just a scum roleblocker. Not being careful as a doc, indicates not a doc. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Yeah, I even went back and looked at Silver Jan’s posts and I don’t see any posts from her Today with more than the one vote for choie so I’m not sure where she got the Silver Jan is locked in from. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Go to bed. Day doesn’t end for 22 and a half hours. Acutely aware of the tally and when the phase ends. Scums would be, some townies might be. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Town or scum, when you start babbling, it’s a good idea to take a break and come back with a rested head for the last 24 hours. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I find myself agreeing. A townie move would have been to vote for self-preservation in the hour leading up to the end of day with a role claim as well. This stinks of machinations. **If Scum:** This post suggests that septimus was screwed, and the plan was, bus and distance from septimus. that is consistent with what happened. **If Townie:** Correct reasoning. It’s hard to tell which is the case. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I dunno. This post reeks of talking out of both sides of your mouth. We lynch pizza and he’s town, well, gee guys, I told you he was, too bad he just couldn’t help from making himself a target. We lynch pizza and he’s scum, well whaddaya know, he was trying to play us, tsk tsk, how sad. I don’t have any trouble believing this was a backhanded attempt to get people to vote pizzaguy. **If Scum:** Easy points for distancing Stickler from Suburban, even though they end up voting the same way. **If Townie:** Thanks for the agreement. Would you follow-up and lynch Suburban? Hard to tell which is the case. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Then he would have said, whoa, I just woke up. The fact that there was absolute nothing in his post but the votes, it’s clear that he sat on it until the very last second. It’s vote manipulation and it’s scummy, scummy, scummy. Also, if he had just woken up, there would have been a more hurried sense to it, as he’s desperately trying to make the deadline. His post is calm and concise and it’s clear he wrote it and sat on it. **If Scum:** Major, easy distancing points. **If Townie:** Good, correct points. Hard to tell which is the case. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Big whoop. She flipped town and you still haven’t explained why you thought it was necessary to prevent any discussion or response to your votes. PROTIP: when one person takes it upon themself to decide a lynch, they get a lot of heat if they didn’t have a good reason. Town has to play together; haring off to do your own thing without giving people a chance for input is impolite at best and damaging to town at worst. **If Scum:** Major, easy distancing points. **If Townie:** Good, correct points. Hard to tell which is the case. Sensing a pattern? If the plan is bus septimus, then going directly at his throat hardcore is not all that difficult to fake. You know he’s guilty, so what could you be afraid of? Being murdered? Pizza says nah-uh. This could go either way. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Ah but this way, he can make a town vig question whether it’s better to vig him tonight or let him go another day. Town vig? Inner mentions the vig who at that point was nonexistent. As I mentioned before when I did the analysis that lead directly to septimus, one of the points against Inner Stickler was the early mentions of vigilantes. Scum would be aware of the vigilante since they had powers dedicated to refuting him. Possible **perfect information syndrome.** Needs a re-read to determine if Inner was the first or among the first to suggest the vig exists. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > **Vote Septimus** > > I’m not really sold on the Shadowfacts case but I haven’t paid as much attention to it. The plan of course was to bus septimus. Therefore there’s no townie indicators here. Again not sure on ShadowFacts. If Shadow is also scum, that puts major scum points on Inner Stickler. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > We shouldn’t need to ask for a role claim. You should have provided one, probably once 2 people had locked in votes for you, definitely by 3. Role claim now, please. Well he was going to do so, obviously. Asking him like it is a threat if he doesn’t sort of has a whiff of acting. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I still had a free vote Yesterday and I was around. I’ll bet I wasn’t the only one. I don’t know why he thought if he posted at the EOD he’d only be talking to Ed, Pizza and Normal. All consistent with any plan to bus and distance from septimus. No firm conclusion either way. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > In my experience a scotsman is immune to one kill attempt, be it a night action or a lynch. I would think it weird for someone to claim scotsman but only be protected against a night action. > > If the scum aren’t particularly worried that a detective will find them via game thread means, they’re just as well off to block the detective and go after other players who seem more dangerous to them from an analytical point of view. So, if there’s a roleblocker preventing the detective from taking action, you’d agree with their actions, block instead of kill? Interesting. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > This statement just makes me more suspicious. Scotsman roles modconfirm the player. I would expect a bulletproof role to be the same or to at least be alerted if they are attacked. This is great stuff, and is so true it has a very strong whiff of townie to it. That said, does it remain the case that Stickler feels this way when septimus has a chance at living? That’s the real test, isn’t it? > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > **Unvote septimus** > > **Vote texcat > Vote texcat** Test fail. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I think he’s making a joke. POST THE GODDAMN COLOR, ASTRAL AND STOP RUBBERNECKING > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Well, either the scum have a janitor (Which I find unlikely due to us getting a reveal on kills, albeit delayed) and Shadowfacts yoinked Ed’s info, or he is most likely what he claimed. I still want Septimus dead. Scum don’t have a janitor, but townies need a coroner to get results. Okay… nice theory. A bit too nice, really. Basically, wasn’t interested in killing septimus until it was time to bus him, Then, went after septimus hardcore, Then, instead of doubling vote on septimus, Stickler avoids ShadowFacts’ death and locks in on texCat, and again defends ShadowFacts. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Shadowfacts knew info about Ed before we as a town did. Either he made a lucky guess, scum have a role diviner or janitor, or he was correct in claiming to take on a power role after their death. I don’t think they have a janitor, I guess they could have a diviner, but I’m more inclined to think he’s telling all or mostly the truth with his roleclaim. I’m not understanding what you’re not following. Basically, Inner being townie depends on ShadowFacts being townie. If Shadow is townie, I can buy some of this. If he’s not, Inner must die. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > The only method we know of for Slaughters gaining XP is performing the nightkill. Town players are the ones gaining from voting for scum. (I’m gonna guess that scum power roles gain XP from using their skills as well but that’s not explicitly stated by the mods.) Inner has always been interested in the voting and experience point discussions, indicating power role. And so my theory was, he was a power role. But I see him as either a paranoid doctor… and I’d be skeptical… or he’s the scum roleblocker himself. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > It’s right here in, you know, the very first post of the game. So craftily hidden. (Although, I originally interpreted “using your powers will earn you XP” as only applying to town but there’s no reason why it wouldn’t.) Inner knows the rules quite well. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > This post however seems to imply that scum earn XP in completely different ways than town. Either way, we don’t need to assume that scum are having to bus each other to level up. Okay. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > We haven’t nailed any scum so far; the highest level any town power role could have, barring a unique role condition is halfway to level 3 and it’s Day 4, now. At this rate it will be Day 8 before anyone is level 5. If we had lynched scum every day starting from Day 1, starting day 5, some players could be level 5, but by then we’d have lynched 4 scum and the game would be almost or completely over. And, of course if the assassin gets NKed or lynched at some point along the way, the bulletproof role retains its protection the whole game. To sum up, I don’t think the role is diminished at all in power. Inner has spent some time thinking about this. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Barring evidence to the contrary, yes, I assume the Slaughters start at Level 1. Why, what makes you think they start at level 3? I don’t, I was just laying a theory out there to see if I got any nibbles. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I see no reason to lynch Red Skeezix at this time. A town vig is a threat to scum and if he’s telling the truth, he’ll end up dead soon enough. I think Inner Stickler, if scum, is the designated “advocate everything that is good for the town” guy. I would do whatever Stickler has said, for the most part… ShadowFacts being an exception. That said, Stickler is leaning guilty to me. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Pfft, until we get a godfather role reveal, any Lightfoot scans are at best semi-confirmed. I wouldn’t trust them with a charged vote. Godfather role. Perfect Information. Why assume a godfather role is in the game? > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Screw it, we’re close enough to EOD > > **vote septimus > vote septimus** > > I wanted him dead after his voting shenanigans and I remain unconvinced of his innocence. Yesterday was too long and everyone let themselves get talked out of his guilt. In my opinion. > > As for the other players, I am surprised at choie’s decision to go after Lightfoot, I think Red Skeezix is more likely town than Shadowfacts, but right now I’d rather see septimus lynched and unless something substantial happens in the next Day or so, I think ATPG is town. Okay so we finally do bus him, after it is clear he is going to die and flip scum. Good. Thanks for your support. You’re leaning town on Skeezix now, great… what about ShadowFacts? Still innocent? > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > It’s good to know that after all the bellyaching about not talking killing town, when someone does make the effort to talk, everyone stops reading their posts. Yeah, I skim his posts a lot, but then I skim a lot of people’s posts. And when you stop and read any given post, guess what, they make sense. It’s just in aggregate, they can be a bit much. Weaksauce excuse for both SF and Diver. Very consistent. It matches the entire rest of Inner’s play pattern. If he has a scum role, he is definitely playing the distancing, bussing, devil’s advocate game, almost flawlessly. The flaws I see are false breadcrumbing, and several instances of PIS. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Hot damn. Certainly you weren’t surprised by the result though? You were sure he was guilty. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So what changed since your last post that makes you think she’s town now? I didn’t see what this was in reference to so I’ll skip it. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I apologize for making you feel as though your opinions are always wrong. > SNIP, click and see context Inner is saying everything I’d expect him to say as town, and yet, he’s also saying a lot more I am having trouble writing off as innocent. Either he’s really on his game or he’s scum. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Yeah, my thread’s only 8 pages long. (It would be great though, if the game mods could title their color posts with Day X and Night X to make it easier to find SOD and EOD. Please?) Everything he says “sounds townie”. It’s so very even and consistent. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Even with 5 scum, by the time anyone got to level 5, the scum would all be dead and the game over. (Unless there’s a pfk around.) And anyway, there’s a leveling cap for each day/night cycle making it so you can only gain, at most, one level any given day/night cycle. Again Inner leaps into the experience point discussion and number of scumbags. I just don’t get NPC townie from Stickler, and yet, I also wouldn’t buy PC townie claim from Stickler at the moment either. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Using your power gets you halfway to a level. Everyone started at level one. Anyone who got a night action off night one got halfway to level two. Of those people, any who got an action off night 2 leveled up to level 2. And so on. Hmmph. Anyway. Inner Stickler is awesome. If he’s townie, he’s one of the best that we have. If he’s scum, he’s playing an excellent game with only a couple minor errors. But the PIS with the godfather thing, and some other examples, and the paranoid doctor thing, all smell like a set-up where Stickler claims paranoid doc later on in the game. And it keeps him alive one more round… maybe two. And he gets to block Lightfoot all this time. As long as she’s blocked, she’s no threat. I don’t believe he’s an NPC, he’s too interested in the game mechanics and the leveling up. I don’t believe he’s a PC, because the doc or the coroner are the only ones left that should be major, and I’m not smelling doc from Inner Stickler. He’d be much more careful about wagoning and breadcrumbing clues about the doctor. Real doctors would be more concerned with not making any clues or waves and protecting the detective. That leaves scum. That explains why he wasn’t for septimus until septimus acted obviously scum, and then Inner Stickler went for his throat as hard as he could… until ShadowFacts was also on the block. So he didn’t double down on septimus or Shadow, he went for TexCat. Then, it was too much and he finally joined the wagon on septimus, again, after someone else made the big push for it to happen. Otherwise, Inner wasn’t going to make that move. Inner is making every move possible to look as townie as possible, but little flaws reveal that he knows more about the game than he should, especially with regards to Red Skeezix the vigilante, septimus the godfather, and paranoid doctors who shouldn’t be breadcrumbing, and experience, leveling, and number of scums. **Sorry, Inner Stickler**. **[7/10]** It’s possible to look \*too \*townie. Why it’s bad is because the townie-ness about you disappears when suspects septimus or ShadowFacts have any chance at living through a round, and I’m afraid townies make more mistakes than you’re making. Your play is too perfect. Do you have a solid defense? Convince me. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1647 "2011-08-06T07:42:23Z")
I was a paranoid doc in the game that finished literally a week before this one started. When Lightfoot claimed being blocked, the first thing I thought about was how I kept having to make the block or not decision with Astral. I got to Day 3 late in the last day and there were 15 minutes left for me to read the last page or so. I hastily calculated the vote tally and decided, even if I doubled on septimus, he wouldn’t get lynched and of Texcat and SF, I found Texcat the more likely target. I can’t remember the last time I played a closed game that lacked a godfather, and in fact, for a while, you could pretty much count on a Mahaloth created scum team having a Godfather, a Roleblocker, a vanilla goon and a 4th game specific role. Vigilante, Assassin, tomayto, tomahto. (The dumbest reason I was ever lynched was when I called a potential godfather an alpha instead of a godfather, JSYK. I think that sort of ‘slipping’ is useless, especially when the slip is toward a more universal mafia term as opposed to a game specific one.) I’ll need to look at the cases on Suburban again. I’ve been reading the game with Septimus blinders on, but even so, I get an icky feeling from him. (Hope that’s all cogent. I may have had a tetch too much saki tonight.) ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1648 "2011-08-06T07:46:05Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Your play is too perfect. I’m keeping this to look at when I feel bad about games I sucked ass in. I consider any game where I haven’t had to claim by Day 3 a personal win. I will really enjoy your commentary after the game is over. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1649 "2011-08-06T07:55:00Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I was a paranoid doc in the game that finished literally a week before this one started. When Lightfoot claimed being blocked, the first thing I thought about was how I kept having to make the block or not decision with Astral. Yes, I know the context even though I wasn’t there. It just means that Astral might have gotten the idea to put the role in this game again, because it was such a fun role last time. No biggie. But you know what good hosts do is they mix things up. This time, a scum roleblocker, with the cover role of paranoid doctor. I can’t conclude anything from this and I can’t expect you to defend against this sort of speculative reasoning. I’m just laying out what I think the odds are. Odds are, the explanation for Lightfoot continuing to exist are REAL DOCTOR plus scum blocker, or Scum blocker blocking her every night pretending to be paranoid. > [@](#): > > I got to Day 3 late in the last day and there were 15 minutes left for me to read the last page or so. I hastily calculated the vote tally and decided, even if I doubled on septimus, he wouldn’t get lynched and of Texcat and SF, I found Texcat the more likely target. Yes, that’s the explanation I’d expect. But if you were sure on septimus, you should have doubled on him anyway, in the hopes someone would have helped you kill him. Your explanation fits, just like all your behavior, for a nice, good, proper townie. That said, every move you make also doubles as a scum action. I play the exact same way as scum. That explanation you came up with was the very first I came up with, almost verbatim, in my head. I put myself in your shoes, pretend I’m scum, and everything that comes out of your mouth is what I would say to sound townie. Why aren’t you dead, then? More importantly, why won’t you be dead later. > [@](#): > > I can’t remember the last time I played a closed game that lacked a godfather, and in fact, for a while, you could pretty much count on a Mahaloth created scum team having a Godfather, a Roleblocker, a vanilla goon and a 4th game specific role. All perfectly valid and reasonable dual explanations. You knew because you were scum; You knew because it was the recent pattern. I can’t determine which is which. But everything you do ALSO matches what I’d do as a scumbag in your position. That’s just too coincidental to ignore for me. Sorry, I’m paranoid, and not a doctor. > [@](#): > > Vigilante, Assassin, tomayto, tomahto. (The dumbest reason I was ever lynched was when I called a potential godfather an alpha instead of a godfather, JSYK. I think that sort of ‘slipping’ is useless, especially when the slip is toward a more universal mafia term as opposed to a game specific one.) I wasn’t picking on the term for the role, just that you were certain said role was in the game. :dubious: > [@](#): > > I’ll need to look at the cases on Suburban again. I’ve been reading the game with Septimus blinders on, but even so, I get an icky feeling from him. Look at Suburban and ShadowFacts. That said, agreeing with me about them isn’t your ticket to freedom, Inner. The whole case on you is that you’re behaving exactly like the scum who does everything a good townie should. It’s just too perfect, and everything matches too well the alternative explanation. Bad coincidences, man. If you claim paranoid doc or townie roleblocker I am not buying it, sorry. And my suspicion on you will remain until you’re scanned by Lightfoot. > [@](#): > > (Hope that’s all cogent. I may have had a tetch too much saki tonight.) Cogent as ever. I hope you realize that this accusation means I have only the highest level of respect for your abilities in this game. You’re a very talented player, and whatever you’re really up to, you’re doing it brilliantly. I hope you are townie and the scums die soon, so I don’t have to press this case. I will be sad to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1650 "2011-08-06T07:56:02Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I’m keeping this to look at when I feel bad about games I sucked ass in. I consider any game where I haven’t had to claim by Day 3 a personal win. I will really enjoy your commentary after the game is over. You may have had a run of bad luck. As I said, either as townie or scum, in this game you’ve demonstrated nearly flawless reasoning and/or acting. Honestly, I respect you greatly as a player. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1651 "2011-08-06T07:59:32Z")
No, I never die at night. It is my curse to hang around until day 5 or 6 when I get lynched for being light on content and heavy on fluff. I’d almost appreciate dying for being too perfect a townie; it would make for a nice change. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1652 "2011-08-06T08:03:07Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > No, I never die at night. It is my curse to hang around until day 5 or 6 when I get lynched for being light on content and heavy on fluff. I’d almost appreciate dying for being too perfect a townie; it would make for a nice change. If you die at night, it would greatly assist me in narrowing down who the scums are. But we both know (or I think and seriously believe) you’re not going to die at night unless Red Skeezix pulls the trigger. As such, as the game progresses, I am eventually going to have to vote for you. If you’re townie, please help me bring down the scumbags before it is too late. If we can get down to maybe one left, and it’s you, I consider that almost as good as a win. If you’re scum, you’re going to need Red and myself dead to win this game. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1653 "2011-08-06T08:29:50Z")
This format is bugging unfamiliar to me. And I am in more than one game (elsewhere). may I be so bold as to ask when EON is? (note to self. just play one at a time) ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1654 "2011-08-06T08:32:51Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > This format is bugging unfamiliar to me. And I am in more than one game (elsewhere). may I be so bold as to ask when EON is? (note to self. just play one at a time) EOD- appears to mean end of day EON- end of night [del] is the tag for strike thru on this board, not [s] as I thought. **Lightfoot** , Inner Stickler needs to be scanned; I am more confident he is not the one protecting you, and as such I’m not concerned if the scums murder him as a result of your attempts to scan him. If anything Stickler is the one blocking you. Maybe you can scan the one who blocks you. pedescribe can’t be let go, but I’d un-prioritize him for the time being. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1655 "2011-08-06T08:36:38Z")
Also, as always, don’t correct me if I am wrong. Are you considering revealing your scanee before end of night? We could use that data. I’m fairly certain that Red or myself or you will be the target; the scums do not have the resources to also attack your scanee. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1656 "2011-08-06T08:38:27Z")
I know what EON is I was checking to see When. The contiguous thread hinders my search ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1657 "2011-08-06T08:38:58Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > This format is bugging unfamiliar to me. And I am in more than one game (elsewhere). may I be so bold as to ask when EON is? (note to self. just play one at a time) [Countdown to the end of night.](http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=08&day=6&year=2011&hour=18&min=00&sec=&p0=159) It’s in a little less than 14 and a half hours. I try very hard to have an easy reference to the end of the current phase which is apparently scummy. Meh. I can’t bring the dense analyses, but I can keep track of the minutia. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1658 "2011-08-06T08:39:23Z")
\*\*“Night has now fallen, and will last until 6 pm central time on August 6th.” \*\*And so Inner and I have now become one mind. We are the borg, resistance is futile. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1659 "2011-08-06T08:42:03Z")
:eek: Not to be all woo-woo but I just posted a facebook status about the borg and the phrase, you will be assimilated. #getoutofmyhead ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1660 "2011-08-06T08:42:51Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > :eek: > > Not to be all woo-woo but I just posted a facebook status about the borg and the phrase, you will be assimilated. #getoutofmyhead Link or it didn’t happen. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=84)