# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1861 "2011-08-09T16:07:19Z")
**LightFoot** , I may have missed it earlier, but who did you attempt to investigate each of those Nights? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1862 "2011-08-09T16:07:33Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > He already has, though he didn’t know it at the time. > > In [Post 1258](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14082786&postcount=1258) he posted the PM he received when he blocked Red Skeezix > _underlining mine_ > > That’s me, tracking him. Thanks. That leaves my outstanding questions as: – Lightfoot’s PMs – why you would get your tracking result on Ed after all, but delayed, while Red just plain failed to kill SF when he tried ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1863 "2011-08-09T16:08:31Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > My night results \* You put an asterisk here, and then failed to tell us what it means. I may be forced to vote you based on that action alone 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1864 "2011-08-09T16:08:49Z")
Never mind, I see them. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1865 "2011-08-09T16:19:04Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > You put an asterisk here, and then failed to tell us what it means. > > I may be forced to vote you based on that action alone 🙂 - because there were no ‘results’ ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1866 "2011-08-09T16:21:59Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **LightFoot** , > > I may have missed it earlier, but who did you attempt to investigate each of those Nights? I’ve never said I didn’t see any merit to it. Is there? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1867 "2011-08-09T16:31:43Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > – why you would get your tracking result on Ed after all, but delayed, while Red just plain failed to kill SF when he tried That’s the one thing I still don’t understand. (Actually, there’s a whole lot going on that I don’t understand, but I hope you know what I mean here) My first thought, after \*\*Ed’s \*\*death and **ShadowFacts** ’ claimed assumption of his powers, was that \*\*Ed \*\*had blocked me on Night 1, but being only a Level 1 his block was not ‘complete’, and instead he was only able to delay my results. But we now know that **Inner Stickler** blocked \*\*Ed \*\*that Night, so that can’t be the explanation. I now assume the Scum blocked me, so it could be that the Scum roleblocker had a similar ‘limitation’ on his power as the one I ascribed to **Ed**. In that case, we would expect a similar ‘delayed reveal’ to whomever they blocked on Night 2, and probably Night 3 well. Night 2, I expect they blocked **LightFoot**. But she was also blocked by\*\* Inner Stickler\*\*, so that could have prevented her from getting any result at all. Night 3 it appears they either blocked \*\*LightFoot \*\*again, which would have had the same result as Night 2, or they blocked someone who has no power, so there would be no result to receive in any case. If my theory is correct, and if the Scum roleblocker did not vote for **Septimus** , then they still might have been level 2 going into Night 4, so it’s possible that whoever they blocked last Night will get a result Tomorrow Night. Of course, there’s at least one too many “ifs” in that sentence. As for why \*\*Red \*\*“just plain failed”? I’d have to assume that **ShadowFacts** ’ roleblocking ability was not ‘limited’ in the same manner as the Scum Roleblocker’s ability appears to be. Anyway, that’s the best explanation I have for the delayed reveal. Of course, the other possibility is that someone, somewhere, is lying. In that case, the situation changes depending on who is lying and where. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1868 "2011-08-09T16:32:52Z")
Bah, none of this matches anything. Night One – SP claims roleblock-by-Ed (loss of memory etc, no physical damage) Night One – IS claims paranoid block of Ed. Night Two and Night Three only – IS claims paranoid block of Lightfoot Night Three – SF claims block of Red Skeezix (confirmed by Red), description provided by RS is consistent with N1 block of SP. Night Two through Night Four inclusive – Lightfoot claims roleblock-by-suppression (some sort of suppressive force, but no loss of memory) Night Four – Red Skeezix claims roleblock by knock on the head I see no fewer than three roleblockers, perhaps more depending on who’s telling teh truth and who’s lying. Ed/ShadowFacts – loss of memory. Used on SP night one, RS night three, Pizza night four. Questions: why does Shadow have two uses of Ed’s power when Ed already used one? Why has SP not questioned this? Why did SP ultimately get his results, while Red could not kill Shadowfacts at all? Inner Stickler – if he’s telling the truth there’s no sign of the roleblock in the PMs (since LF reports teh same night four as previous nights). Counter: LF was presumably protected by _somebody_, and that doesn’t show up in LF’s results either, potentially the doc information is just considered too much to share by Astral. However, Inner himself claims no longwinded result PMs at all, contrary to everyone else. Why? Inner’s power confirmed as “helpful” by SP tracking result, though to my eye that does not exclude the idea of scum doc. Pings on Inner or no pings on Inner, I do consider a SP/Inner scum pair to be a possibility if someone counterclaims Inner. The “suppressive” block on LF from night two to night four. This can’t be a town Inner by his own description, so it must be a regular scum roleblocker. It can’t be SF or Red unless both are scum (confirmation of each others’ actions night three). It’s probably not SP (even if scum), as he’d be the investigative power on that side. I assume it’s not LF or Pizza, and it’s not me. That leaves everybody else (unless no counterclaim of Inner). Mental Guy? _raises eyebrows_ The bash on the head Red experienced on night four. If he’s scum, this one is easy: he’s lying and made up something vaguely plausible. If he’s town, it would have to be some other oddball power that hasn’t been accounted for yet. My head hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1869 "2011-08-09T16:35:18Z")
I don’t think there’s any reason for LF to say who she tried to investigate. She’s not under suspicion in a way that would make me want that information so as to evaluate her, and I see nothing in her PMs to indicate that anything she did made any difference. Why do you care? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1870 "2011-08-09T16:39:44Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > I’ve never said I didn’t see any merit to it. Is there? I don’t think it will make any difference in terms of believing or disbelieving your claim, but it might help to know who you were trying to catch out as Scum, or who you were trying to clear as Town, and why. At this point we have a lot of people who are under suspicion, whose arguments are therefore less than trustworthy. Your motives are ‘pure’, so your arguments are potentially more useful to the Town for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1871 "2011-08-09T16:40:01Z")
Wait a minute, there’s a contradiction here I think: “Night One – SP claims roleblock-by-Ed (loss of memory etc, no physical damage) Night One – IS claims paranoid block of Ed.” The first is clearly the same sort of roleblock as Shadow used on Red on night three. “Night Three – SF claims block of Red Skeezix (confirmed by Red), description provided by RS is consistent with N1 block of SP.” And yet Ed should not have been able to act on night one, as per SP. Either Shadow is lying – both night one and night three roleblocks were performed by same mechanism known to him (him or someone else), or SP is lying about roleblocking Ed. Barring weird powers yet to be revealed, is there any other option? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1872 "2011-08-09T16:43:13Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I don’t think there’s any reason for LF to say who she tried to investigate. She’s not under suspicion in a way that would make me want that information so as to evaluate her, and I see nothing in her PMs to indicate that anything she did made any difference. > > Why do you care? I don’t intend to press her on this matter. I think the net effect would be helpful in the sense that more information is generally better, and in this case the information is from a trusted source. But at the same time, \*\*LightFoot \*\*has no ‘special knowledge’, so it’s not as if knowing the targets of her investigation is going to clear or condemn anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1873 "2011-08-09T16:45:16Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Barring weird powers yet to be revealed, is there any other option? It’s why I’d like today to be a mass roleclaim. With all the town roles truthfully claiming their abilities, ideally we can identify the tangles and sort them out. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1874 "2011-08-09T16:46:34Z")
I would like that too, even given the way thigns stand right now I’d bet on “more confusing” before “less”. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1875 "2011-08-09T16:53:35Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Wait a minute, there’s a contradiction here I think: > > “Night One – SP claims roleblock-by-Ed (loss of memory etc, no physical damage) > Night One – IS claims paranoid block of Ed.” > > The first is clearly the same sort of roleblock as Shadow used on Red on night three. > > “Night Three – SF claims block of Red Skeezix (confirmed by Red), description provided by RS is consistent with N1 block of SP.” > > And yet Ed should not have been able to act on night one, as per SP. Either Shadow is lying – both night one and night three roleblocks were performed by same mechanism known to him (him or someone else), or SP is lying about roleblocking Ed. > > Barring weird powers yet to be revealed, is there any other option? Hold on a sec…I’m not sure if you are confused here, or if I am First, I am not claiming roleblock by **Ed**. I thought at first that I was blocked by **Ed** , but that is not possible if Inner Stickler blocked him. what I am ‘claiming’ is that I was blocked by the Scum roleblocker, who I assume exists. And of course, it is not really a claim at all, but a supposition. I think the block on me on Night 1 and the block on Red on Night 3 were done by two different entities: the first by the ‘Scum roleblocker’ and the second by **ShadowFacts**. I think what you are saying here is that the color for the two roleblocks is similar, indicating that the same entity performed both. If the blocks were performed by **Ed** /\*\*Shadow \*\*that would make sense because the powers are claimed to be the same. But if they were performed by Scum/ **Shadow** , they should be different. Is that your argument here? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1876 "2011-08-09T16:59:10Z")
Teh description you provided of your night one block is similar to that which Red provided for his night three block, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1877 "2011-08-09T17:27:59Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Teh description you provided of your night one block is similar to that which Red provided for his night three block, correct? I received this following Night 1, when I was blocked in my attempt to track **Askthepizzaguy** [QUOTE=Astral Rejection] You awake, feeling refreshed. Funny, you never usually go to bed so early, but you must have been very tired. Didn’t you mean to do something last night? You can’t quite seem to remember. (You were blocked) [/QUOTE] In [Post 1261](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14083074&postcount=1261) \*\*Red \*\*posts two PMs. From the context, I assume he is saying the first was from his attempted kill of \*\*Septimus \*\*on Night 2 [QUOTE=Astral Rejection] You return home this morning tired from unsuccessfully pursuing your target all night. At every turn he was able to evade your attempts at his life. (Your target was protected) [/QUOTE] and the second was from his attempted kill of \*\*ShadowFacts \*\*on Night 3 [QUOTE=Astral Rejection] You awake, refreshed and alert, still dressed for your assassination. You glance down at your boots, frowning… you don’t remember being too tired to take them off. In fact, you don’t remember much of anything. You sit up cautiously, trying to piece together what had happened. Your knives, tucked away in their sheathes, are perfectly clean, without a hint of blood on them. (You were blocked) [/QUOTE] \*\*Red \*\*doesn’t actually tell us which PM came from which Night, but I think the implication is clear. And in that case the two PMs are similar. If we are to assume that the color does have meaning, that would indicate the same person performed both blocks. Which means that either **ShadowFacts** , **Red Skeezix** , or **Suburban Plankton** are lying. And at the moment, I couldn’t tell you which is most likely. (I could tell you which is \*least \*likely by a country mile, but I doubt my word alone will sway anyone) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1878 "2011-08-09T17:33:50Z")
Same person or same mechanism, to be clear. Did you report being blocked on night one before or after IS claimed to have used his power on Ed on night one? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1879 "2011-08-09T17:36:10Z")
FYI, I will be offline beginning at about 2:00 Pacific Time today (about 3 1/2 hours from now), and not back online until tomorrow morning. We’re taking my son to a Giant’s game for his birthday, and I do not intend to be playing Mafia by cellphone from the ballpark. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1880 "2011-08-09T17:40:26Z")
Night 4 Is it possible that the Scum role-blocker managed to level up to where they could block 2 players? Has that been mentioned? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=93) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052.md?page=95)