# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 95
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1881 "2011-08-09T17:53:32Z")
Hypothetically, if they got something additional for leveling besides three actions. It doesn’t explain the reported mechanisms beign different. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1882 "2011-08-09T17:54:29Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Night 4 > Is it possible that the Scum role-blocker managed to level up to where they could block 2 players? > Has that been mentioned? If this is the case, and if Scum gain 1/2 level when voting one of their own (that gets lynched)= \* odd dynamic but possible here \* Then their vote was on \*\* septimus \*\* off to look at votes again I know bad form to quote yourself but it makes sense this way ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1883 "2011-08-09T17:55:35Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Same person or same mechanism, to be clear. Yes, it could be a different person, but the same mechanism. It appears there are (or were) three roleblockers in this game: [ul][li] **Inner Stickler** , the no-longer-Paranoid Doc[/li][li] **ShadowFacts** , the Backup/Jack-of-all-Trades[/li][li]The ‘Scum Roleblocker’[/ul][/li]If you look at the PMs that \*\*LightFoot \*\*posted, they are of a very different tone than the ones posted by Red and myself, so those are easily distinguished. I believe the only people other than **LightFoot** to have reported having been blocked are \*\*Red \*\*and myself, who reported three incidents of blocking between us; the two mentioned above, and \*\*Red’s \*\*block from Night 4, where he received > [@Astral rejection](#): > > You awake sweaty, sore and tired. There is a large welt on your forehead and you are surrounded by the detritus of broken furniture. While you cannot clearly remember the events of last evening, the lack of blood on your knives tells you that you did not accomplish your task. > > (You were blocked) This, as \*\*Askthepizzaguy \*\*mentioned, is a different ‘flavor’ than the first two blocks. that would suggest that the Scum Roleblocker and Shadowfacts have a different ‘style’, allowing us to differentiate between them. But that means the blocks on ights 1 and 3 were from the same source, which means that either: \*\*Ed \*\*\*did \*block me on Night 1 despite having been blocked by **IS** , or the Scum Roleblocker blocked \*\*Red \*\*on Night 3 despite \*\*Shadow’s \*\*claim that he did it. Furthermore, if the Night 1 and 3 blocks were from **Ed/Shadow** , that means the Scum blocked \*\*Red \*\*Night 4, which means \*\*Shadow \*\*must have blocked **LightFoot** …and if the Night 1 & 3 blocks were from the Scum Roleblocker then \*\*Shadow \*\*must have blocked \*\*Red \*\*on Night 4 and not Pizza. I \*think \*the preponderance of evidence suggests \*\*ShadowFacts \*\*is Scum…but to be perfectly frank, I’m so twisted around by this game that I don’t trust my own analyses at this point. And this all depends on color being more than “just color” (which I am willing to at least consider at this point), and I’m not sure how all of this plays out if we start with the assumption that \*\*Red \*\*is lying. Maybe someone else has the energy to run through the whole thing from that angle right now, because I don’t… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1884 "2011-08-09T17:56:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Did you report being blocked on night one before or after IS claimed to have used his power on Ed on night one? After. IS made his Doc claim in Post 1812, named his targets in Post 1816, and I claimed in Post 1822. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1885 "2011-08-09T17:56:54Z")
I think I’m gonna need to end Day an hour early again, for work related reasons. **Day ends at 5 pm central time on Thursday, August 11th.** ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1886 "2011-08-09T18:04:56Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Yes, it could be a different person, but the same mechanism. > > It appears there are (or were) three roleblockers in this game: > [ul][li] **Inner Stickler** , the no-longer-Paranoid Doc[/li][li] **ShadowFacts** , the Backup/Jack-of-all-Trades[/li][li]The ‘Scum Roleblocker’[/ul][/li]If you look at the PMs that \*\*LightFoot \*\*posted, they are of a very different tone than the ones posted by Red and myself, so those are easily distinguished. > > I believe the only people other than **LightFoot** to have reported having been blocked are \*\*Red \*\*and myself, who reported three incidents of blocking between us; the two mentioned above, and \*\*Red’s \*\*block from Night 4, where he received > This, as \*\*Askthepizzaguy \*\*mentioned, is a different ‘flavor’ than the first two blocks. that would suggest that the Scum Roleblocker and Shadowfacts have a different ‘style’, allowing us to differentiate between them. But that means the blocks on ights 1 and 3 were from the same source, which means that either: > > \*\*Ed \*\*\*did \*block me on Night 1 despite having been blocked by **IS** , or the Scum Roleblocker blocked \*\*Red \*\*on Night 3 despite \*\*Shadow’s \*\*claim that he did it. > > Furthermore, if the Night 1 and 3 blocks were from **Ed/Shadow** , that means the Scum blocked \*\*Red \*\*Night 4, which means \*\*Shadow \*\*must have blocked **LightFoot** …and if the Night 1 & 3 blocks were from the Scum Roleblocker then \*\*Shadow \*\*must have blocked \*\*Red \*\*on Night 4 and not Pizza. > > I \*think \*the preponderance of evidence suggests \*\*ShadowFacts \*\*is Scum…but to be perfectly frank, I’m so twisted around by this game that I don’t trust my own analyses at this point. > > And this all depends on color being more than “just color” (which I am willing to at least consider at this point), and I’m not sure how all of this plays out if we start with the assumption that \*\*Red \*\*is lying. Maybe someone else has the energy to run through the whole thing from that angle right now, because I don’t… Another option? Scum blocked Inner and Ed blocked you? Or am I as confused as I am ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1887 "2011-08-09T18:06:05Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Night 4 > Is it possible that the Scum role-blocker managed to level up to where they could block 2 players? > Has that been mentioned? Look at my post [1753](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14113439&postcount=1753); I calculate that the worst-case scenario has a Scum right now at Level 4, and halfway to Level 5. I think that doubling the ability (going from 1 block to 2) would be an awfully powerful ‘level-up’. Consider that the known ‘extra powers’ from reaching Level 3 are the fact that I am no longer ‘visible’ to my tracking targets, and IS no longer blocks his protectees. Neither of those advances is nearly as powerful as gaining a second block would be. Also, we know that whoever blocked me on Night 1 had some sort of limitation to their power, so it stands to reason that the first ‘extra’ ability would be to remove that limitation and make the blocking power complete. \*Maybe \*if the roleblocker were to reach Level 5 they might gain an extra block, but I don’t see any way for that to have happened yet. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1888 "2011-08-09T18:14:21Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Another option? Scum blocked Inner and Ed blocked you? Or am I as confused as I am I hadn’t considered that. Let’s see…I had **Night 1** Suburban tracked Pizza - blocked LightFoot investigated Pizza - Pizza is Town Red took no action Inner Stickler protected/blocked Special Ed The Scum blocked Suburban and killed Scathach. Red didn’t get a kill in. Inner blocked Ed. LightFoot got a result on Pizza. change that to **Night 1** Suburban tracked Pizza - blocked LightFoot investigated Pizza - Pizza is Town Red took no action Inner Stickler targeted Special Ed - blocked The Scum blocked Inner Stickler and killed Scathach. Red didn’t get a kill in. Inner \*didn’t \*block Ed, because he was blocked. Ed blocked Suburban. LightFoot got a result on Pizza. All of the blocks work out OK. It explains how my PM on Night 1 and Red’s PM on Night 3 were similar: because they came from the same power. The only problem is that I don’t believe **Inner Stickler** reported being blocked on Night 1. If he did, I missed it. If he was blocked, and simply forgot to tell us, then he deserves 40 whacks with a wet trout. If he wasn’t told he was blocked, then this scenario seems to fall apart. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1889 "2011-08-09T18:17:47Z")
\*\* Have we been given a run down on order of actions? \*\* Ie 1. blocks (simultaneously) 2 investigations Kills last and simultaneously? I ran into this elsewhere and it changed the game a tad since we had not asked and the above formula was NOT the case ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1890 "2011-08-09T18:20:03Z")
I sure hope the folks in the Spoiled Thread are getting their kicks out of seeing us all squirming around over here… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1891 "2011-08-09T18:21:13Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* Have we been given a run down on order of actions? \*\* > Ie > > 1. blocks (simultaneously) > 2 investigations > Kills last and simultaneously? > I ran into this elsewhere and it changed the game a tad since we had not asked and the above formula was NOT the case I believe it’s done alphabetically by Player Name 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1892 "2011-08-09T18:23:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Nope, just a PM confirming my action has been received I have none, unless you want PMs saying things like “Received” and “OK” For Nights 2 and 3, yes.Nope. I have received no info on whether she has been targeted by anyone other than me.As far as I am in control of the situation, she could.Not until she posted that she was still blocked last night. And it could be a third party role with a blocking ability also. All I know is that I am no longer the source of her block.In what way? > > I’m not getting why I should know who is lying.Again, I don’t know. It’s quite possible that the scum have been merrily avoiding Lightfoot and I’ve been wasting my time so far. I protected Ed night 1, and Lightfoot every subsequent night. Nights 1, 2, and 3 I was a paranoid doctor. Last night I was a regular doctor. You know as much as I do. He may not know ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1893 "2011-08-09T18:34:04Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > He may not know I assume this is in reference to **Inner Stickler** perhaps not knowing the he was blocked. I’d really like this to be the case, because it ties up a couple of loose ends, but it just doesn’t compute. He doesn’t know if someone tries to kill the person he is protecting – this is SOP. He doesn’t know if the person he is protecting and blocking attempts to use an ability – this too is SOP He doesn’t know if he is successful in protecting his target – this is \*not \*SOP. Any player with a Night Action should at the very least know if he was able to perform his action. It’s OK if they don’t know if they performed it _successfully_, but they should know if they performed it _at all_. \*\*IS \*\*appears to believe that he ‘did something’ on Night 1. In every other instance we have of a roleblock, the blocked person received notice that he was not able to perform his action. There’s no reason to believe it would be any different here. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1894 "2011-08-09T18:39:09Z")
Reading over my last post, it occurs to me that what I’m saying there might not actually apply to Mafia games in general. The more I think about it, I seem to recall that there have been games where I have had Night actions and have received no information at all about the success or failure of my actions, except what was revealed in the game thread. However, my argument still applies to _ **this game** _. All evidence we have suggests that a player who is blocked from using an ability in this game receives a notice that he was unable to perform his action. Since **Inner Stickler** does not claim to have received such a notice on Night 1, I think that he was not blocked. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1895 "2011-08-09T18:41:16Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I assume this is in reference to **Inner Stickler** perhaps not knowing the he was blocked. > > I’d really like this to be the case, because it ties up a couple of loose ends, but it just doesn’t compute. > > He doesn’t know if someone tries to kill the person he is protecting – this is SOP. > He doesn’t know if the person he is protecting and blocking attempts to use an ability – this too is SOP > He doesn’t know if he is successful in protecting his target – this is \*not \*SOP. > Any player with a Night Action should at the very least know if he was able to perform his action. It’s OK if they don’t know if they performed it _successfully_, but they should know if they performed it _at all_. \*\*IS \*\*appears to believe that he ‘did something’ on Night 1. In every other instance we have of a roleblock, the blocked person received notice that he was not able to perform his action. There’s no reason to believe it would be any different here. Since the only results of his actions are his target not dead and perhaps blocked I don’t know if such information would be required in a PM… ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1896 "2011-08-09T18:43:19Z")
NETA I don’t feel it’s a topic for lengthy debate, I was trying to peek in corners to see if I could help things make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1897 "2011-08-09T18:45:32Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > NETA I don’t feel it’s a topic for lengthy debate, I was trying to peek in corners to see if I could help things make sense. By all means, peek. I’m hoping that by the time \*\*Pizza \*\*gets back to the thread, he can be as overwhelmed by content overload as I am every morning when I read his overnight (for me) posts 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1898 "2011-08-09T19:07:30Z")
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1899 "2011-08-09T19:17:00Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. That just made my day. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1900 "2011-08-09T19:17:48Z")
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