# De'endee Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052 "2011-07-06T16:30:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1921 "2011-08-10T03:13:33Z")
So… are we claiming? I don’t have a problem claiming, but I want someone I trust to be town to tell me too… i.e. **ATPG** or **Lightfoot**. Since Lightfoot said she isn’t into claims, I’ll wait till **ATPG** says something before I do. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1922 "2011-08-10T03:17:19Z")
> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > So… are we claiming? I don’t have a problem claiming, but I want someone I trust to be town to tell me too… i.e. **ATPG** or **Lightfoot**. Since Lightfoot said she isn’t into claims, I’ll wait till **ATPG** says something before I do. [ul] [li]I do not want the town coroner to claim. I believe if that role exists it is 100% townie.[/li][li]If there is a TOWN roleblocker, I don’t want them to claim. I want them to block some of my top NPC suspects.[/li][li] **If there is a town doctor who is not Inner Stickler, I want them to claim yesterday. What the hell, is all I have to say about that.** [/li][li]**If you have a minor role claim (not doctor, not investigator of any kind, not roleblocker, not coroner) and you can prove your powers, CLAIM NOW.**[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1923 "2011-08-10T03:19:45Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > [ul] > [li]**If you have a minor role claim (not doctor, not investigator of any kind, not roleblocker, not coroner) and you can prove your powers, CLAIM NOW.**[/li][/ul] Does an NPC count as a minor role claim? Either way (since that question gives me away), here is my role PM. [QUOTE=Astral Rejection] Class: Invoker Alignment: Defenders of De’endee Win Condition: You win when all threats to the Defenders of De’endee have been vanquished. Powers: None. Role: NPC [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1924 "2011-08-10T03:21:58Z")
NETA: I will say one thing, I’ve played 3 games, I was subbed into 2 of them (including this one), and I’ve never been anything other then Vanilla Town. I’m hoping next game I actually have some sort of power! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1925 "2011-08-10T03:24:00Z")
Since the NPC role is what everyone is claiming by default if they don’t claim, then I am not inviting further NPC role claims. Especially since it doesn’t prove anything and the Lords will be able to forge them. If you’re an NPC with no powers (should be all of them) or power role that doesn’t want to claim, don’t claim. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1926 "2011-08-10T03:36:38Z")
\*\* puts on big girl pants\*\* As I said before (I think) The only reasons I can see that \*\* pedescribe \*\* is alive is because they have/had a Scotsman type role (I hope one shot) . Or they are Scum and so is our “vig”. I would send a ½ vote for the “vig” to \*\* VIG \*\*. If it fails AGAIN we lynch \*\* pedescribe OR Red \*\* NO help at all for Town (except a warm body IF Town) and conflicting factors . Send me a primer here…………. If POWER claims they are giving a blueprint to Scum (although there are plenty of targets out there for Scum already (if believed) If Vanilla NPC’s claim they are A Scum or B giving lying Scum a better pool to shoot at that may be unprotected. (‘thinking’ that we have a few Scum that have claimed Town) Either way me little head sees it as a bad idear… I’m willing to be enlightened ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1927 "2011-08-10T03:37:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Never discuss the fine details of vanilla claims. Never. That is from **Normal Phase**'s role post, just wanted to say that is why I believed her then (though, before I was in game, so couldn’t say anything), because my role PM was also different from the other claims that day. I also understood why she tried shutting us up at the time, to keep us from giving all the details on PM’s to the scum. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1928 "2011-08-10T05:05:38Z")
after all the role and action claims it appears we still have to choose between **Red** and **Shadow**. it appears that the chances of them both being town are slim. i don’t subscribe to an totally inexperienced scum team. that would point to **choie** , **Weedy** and **Hirka**. i don’t think all would be scum especially **Hirka**. furthermore, if **Inner Stickler** is really the doc, i believe **Lightfoot** will be dead soon. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1929 "2011-08-10T06:13:12Z")
Probably not until whoever roleblocked her last night dies. If scum can block lightfoot, they don’t need to kill her and probably don’t want her dead. If she is alive and blocked, it will be easier to sell people on lynching me. So my prediction is that if we don’t lynch the scum RB Today, Tomorrow will be a Lynch Stickler day and then Lightfoot will kick it once town lynches the scum RB. At least, that’s the way I’d do it. Never waste a NK on someone you can get town to lynch. Especially if you can prevent them from getting useful results in the bargain as well. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1930 "2011-08-10T06:40:25Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Probably not until whoever roleblocked her last night dies. If scum can block lightfoot, they don’t need to kill her and probably don’t want her dead. If she is alive and blocked, it will be easier to sell people on lynching me. So my prediction is that if we don’t lynch the scum RB Today, Tomorrow will be a Lynch Stickler day and then Lightfoot will kick it once town lynches the scum RB. At least, that’s the way I’d do it. Never waste a NK on someone you can get town to lynch. Especially if you can prevent them from getting useful results in the bargain as well. scum can: 1. NK you toNight and block **Lightfoot** then NK her next. 2. block you and NK **Lightfoot** toNight. you can then be lynched on the next day. either way, her and maybe your Days are numbered. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1931 "2011-08-10T06:44:12Z")
My point is that as long as they have a roleblocker, they don’t need to NK lightfoot and as long as they don’t need to NK lightfoot, they don’t need to NK me. And, as a bonus, if they can get town to lynch me before the RB is killed then they save a NK. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1932 "2011-08-10T09:10:45Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > My point is that as long as they have a roleblocker, **they don’t need to NK lightfoot and as long as they don’t need to NK lightfoot, they don’t need to NK me**. And, as a bonus, if they can get town to lynch me before the RB is killed then they save a NK. ☹ That’s a remarkably scummy thing to say, Stickler. You are already preparing your prediction that you’ll be alive, and your defense why you shouldn’t be lynched. My heart just sank to the pit of my stomach about this whole round. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1933 "2011-08-10T09:32:58Z")
Your objective here seems to be to avoid being lynched. Well here’s what you do. You can continue protecting Lightfoot if that is what you’re really doing, as a townie. It will take a scum roleblocker and a scum murder to bring her down if that is the case. That gives Red Skeezix a free hand tonight, presumably. Meanwhile, Lightfoot can scan you. Therefore, Lightfoot will have to be blocked, or Lightfoot will have to be murdered, and if you’re townie it will take up most of the scums’ resources to accomplish that. My guess is Lightfoot gets blocked and Skeezix gets murdered tonight, so this is Red’s last shot, literally. You get murdered instead, and it clears up a whole lot. If you’re really townie, then even if Lightfoot dies your usefulness is still very great to the townie side, you force them to block you. You could protect Red Skeezix. You could protect the tracker. You could protect me, the scanned townie. As such, lynch threat or not, the scums really do have to murder you at some point. But that will never happen if you’re scum. And, the convenient timing that you’d suddenly become a non-paranoid doctor, plus the fearless breadcrumbing… Anyway. This whole cleric business with the headaches just doesn’t smell right. I’d like more information on what kind of spell you were using as a “paranoid doctor”. What clerical ability was that? What spell causes protection but also silences the mind? This cleric claim feels a lot like the paladin claim. Just slightly off, and slightly stinky. I wonder if Lightfoot’s scanning power can penetrate the roleblock when she reaches level 5. But I’d rather she not clarify that. If ShadowFacts is in fact scum, then you’ve been granted some leeway, time-wise. I think you should be scanned by Lightfoot and the tracker and the vigilante should clear out some other suspects. But quite honestly, the moment Lightfoot dies or our numbers begin to really dwindle, and we haven’t found more Lords of Slaughter, and you’re still here… It’s not going to be a fun day. There will be much queasiness about lynching our claimed doctor. And if we’re wrong, the results will be disastrous. Yet it will be our only recourse, because there’s no way you should survive the game as a claimed doctor, not with only one or two lords of slaughter dead. I’m halfway tempted to ask Skeezix to murder you. After all, if you ARE a townie doctor, you’re just going to be blocked or murdered anyway. And no matter who you protect, you could be blocked and your target can be murdered. Essentially, your usefulness as a doctor has ended, but your claim will deter folks from lynching you, even though you can’t do anything effective anymore. What we need is a dead scum roleblocker. As soon as that happens, Lightfoot can scan. But somehow I doubt we’ll get that scum roleblocker dead before Lightfoot dies. And I have this nagging suspicion that you \*are \*that same scum roleblocker. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1934 "2011-08-10T10:38:39Z")
I have more and more problems with these claims. Let’s start right from the very beginning shall we? Let’s call this section “Odd Behavior” 1. Inner Stickler mentions paranoid doctor, repeats it over and over, shows absolutely no concern about being outed as such. Extremely odd behavior for a doctor. 2. Inner Stickler mentions a vigilante and a godfather. Others handwave this as not perfect information syndrome. 3. Inner Stickler was around when septimus avoided the first lynch; coincidence or interest in the outcome of the fate of his friend? Immediate distancing. Votes early the next round on septimus, but when TexCat is capable of being lynched instead of septimus or ShadowFacts, Inner double votes TexCat. 4. Inner doesn’t vote at all next round until after I make the damning case on septimus. 5. Inner has a “waiting to vote” strategy most of the game. 6. Inner claims under one whole vote of pressure this round. One vote. 7. Inner predicts that he’s going to survive for several rounds as lynchbait. Really? A claimed nonparanoid doctor whose SOLE TOWNIE OPPONENT is a NPC basic townie? That’s the guy who is going to lynch him? I have that much authority? I doubt I could get anyone to lynch Inner Stickler even if Red and Shadow both popped up townie. People are afraid of lynching their doctor that much. He really predicts he’s going to live as LYNCH BAIT? **That’s the behavior. The behavior which absolutely no one besides me finds scummy.** Now, let’s look at the claims, because, to be honest, these claims are freaking golden. Let’s call this section “How convenient.” > [@](#): > > But then Shadowfacts says he targeted you which means someone else blocked Skeezix. **But I finally reached level three and was able to protect Lightfoot without blocking her last night**. Oh what excellent timing. Coincidental, fair enough, I’ll pass this off as coincidental. I think Inner realizes that a paranoid doctor would have removed the block at least once by now so Lightfoot could scan. A scum paranoid doctor couldn’t do such a thing and allow a scan to go through. So now, suddenly, Inner isn’t a paranoid doctor anymore and obviously the scums are blocking Lightfoot. \*\*PROBLEM: The blocking looks _identical every night, even on the nights the paranoid doctor/cleric was doing it. Which causes me to doubt that something different happens last night as Stickler claims._ > [@](#): > > So someone else has been blocking her or **correctly guessed that the doc would be leveled up enough to not be paranoid last night**. That’s quite a leap of logic to make. Again, the blocks look exactly the same, except for the mention of a headache N2, and then silencing N3 and N4. But generally, they’re IDENTICAL. Now, people have told me that the doctor wouldn’t know if his target was protected on this board, well fair enough. But there are other issues I have. It just so happens… Look! Inner Stickler protected\*\* special ed \*\*Night one. Special ed who is now dead. Look! Suburban plankton tracked basic nothing townie \*\*ATPG \*\*Night one, who was supposed to be informed he was tracked, but was not. Then he got his results anyway. Then, Suburban Plankton tracked **special ed**. Who is now dead. Then Suburban Plankton tracked **ShadowFacts** , who is going to be lynched and had already claimed to have a blocking power. **What in the blue heck were you trying to learn, Suburban Plankton?** Then, Suburban Plankton tracked\*\* Inner Stickler\*\*, to “confirm” that he was the doctor. Instead of, I dunno, trying to find some scumbags. You know, the doctor _who could have been murdered_, thus making sure Suburban learns nothing at all that night, **which is convenient since he’s learned absolutely nothing in 4 nights anyway that I haven’t already TOLD HIM.** > [@](#): > > Inner Stickler never even knew you were there. **You watched in silence as his hands twisted into arcane shapes.** After a few minutes, a bright blue flash of light rocketed away, disappearing into the distance. You’ve seen magic like that before. While you can’t be certain of the exact spell Inner Stickler had cast, it was definitely something helpful. Arcane shapes? Nifty. > **[Magic in Dungeons & Dragons](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons)** > > The magic in Dungeons & Dragons consists of the spells and magic systems used in the settings of the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons (D&D). D&D defined the genre of fantasy role-playing games, and remains the most popular table-top version. Many of the original concepts have become widely used in the role-playing community across many different fictional worlds, as well as across all manner of popular media including books, board games, video games, and films. > The specific effects of each s... > [@](#): > > In the _Dungeons & Dragons_ game, magic is a force of nature, and a part of the world. In the game’s 3rd Edition there are two main types of magic: **arcane** , which comes from the world and universe around the caster, and **divine** , which is inspired from above (or below): the realms of gods and demons. Wizards, sorcerers and bards learn to cast arcane spells, which are typically flashy and powerful, but, prior to 4th edition, often require complex movements and gestures known as somatic components, which are impeded by wearing bulky armor. **Clerics, druids, rangers and paladins cast divine spells** , which draw their power from a deity, from nature, or simply the caster’s inner faith. While the casting of these spells is not impeded by heavy armor, it may require the caster to wear a holy symbol as a focus. A spell may exist in both arcane and divine forms—for example, _summon monster VII_ can be cast by both wizards and clerics, although a cleric might use it to summon an angel while a wizard would feel free to summon whichever creature best fits the situation. **Clerics cast divine spells.** **Wizards and sorcerers cast arcane spells.** \*\*\*Cleric \*\*who causes \*\*headaches \*\*and \*\*blocks \*\*his target, casting \*\*arcane \*_spells?_ Yeah okay, I’m all over that idea. Now the question, if Suburban Plankton is townie, is if he actually uncovered the lie in Inner Stickler’s story without knowing it. If Suburban Plankton is mafia, maybe he said “arcane” because his friend has arcane magic and he didn’t know that clerics don’t cast arcane spells. > [@](#): > > I just noticed that **Inner Stickler** protected \*\*Ed \*\*on Night 1, which means Ed was blocked that Night. Therefore, \*\*Ed \*\*couldn’t have blocked me. I assume therefore that the Scum blocked me Night 1. How coincidental! Gosh there seem to be a lot of blockers out there. And all hitting exactly the right people at exactly the right time. [QUOTE=Askthepizzaguy] I was never informed that you tracked me. According to your information, I should have been told that. Even with a delayed result. [/QUOTE] More holes in the story. I like the coincidence of Inner Stickler and Suburban Plankton both being online to claim and confirm each other’s tales right when I start pressing hard on Inner Stickler. Did I cause enough damage with septimus and possibly ShadowFacts that you had to come up with a game plan to nip this one in the bud? These claims are absolutely brilliant and perfectly timed. > [@](#): > > **Well, he floated the idea in his post of a level one rb simply delaying results. I received no notice that my action was delayed and in fact, if it had, Ed would still be alive.** I, personally would not agree that a level one roleblock would necessarily mean results the next day. More holes in the story that Inner Stickler just hand-waves away, and then goes ahead and questions the theory. It’s backwards… and then he’s responding to my criticism of the claim instead of Suburban Plankton doing it. He sure seems to have a vested interest in the story being believed. I can’t believe my\* lone vote\* is what causes that kind of vested interest. [QUOTE=Askthepizzaguy] **The actual doctor should probably role claim now. One of these is scum.** [/QUOTE] I am a stupid pizzaguy. Here’s why this was naive. The idea is that Inner Stickler probably does have a paranoid doctor kind of role. Which means, if Stickler is scum, they have no reason to expect a counterclaim from a townie doctor; what good is a cover role of a doctor when there’s a REAL doctor out there to counterclaim you? It’s just handicapping. I was naive to assume that someone would counterclaim the doctor claim. A scum paranoid doctor is useful to the scum team for protection on whoever isn’t murdering, and a useful cover role, AND can block detectives, which there is one in the game. Therefore, Inner is the paranoid doctor. As town, or scum. _"I was never informed that you tracked me. According to your information, I should have been told that. Even with a delayed result._" > [@](#): > > You’ll have to take that up with Astral. > > Actually, I’ll bring it up,\*\* but I doubt I’ll get an answer that is satisfactory to either of us.\*\* Really? Why would you doubt that? The moderator could AT LEAST CONFIRM there was no error involved… > [@](#): > > I have no idea. I believe I mentioned that…and I gave a couple possible theories, one of which has already been proved false. Good, unsubstantiated theories which don’t make any sense considering the delayed blocks don’t seem to match the blocks that happened to Red Skeezix or even Lightfoot, and don’t seem to match special ed’s or ShadowFacts’ spellbook blocks. That makes what, a fourth or fifth roleblocker with a delay? Oh sweet Skeezix, help me. > [@](#): > > The ‘actual Doctor’ has already claimed, or weren’t you paying attention? What a question. I’m in the middle of questioning the doctor and attempting to verify his story with, you know, critical thinking, and this is the response I get? I wasn’t _ **paying attention?** _ > [@](#): > > I would be very, \*very \*surprised if someone counter-claimed Inner Stickler, but my chair is very comfy so I’m pretty sure I won’t fall out of it. If there’s a real doctor in the game besides Stickler and there isn’t, that would be a very big thorn in the mafia’s side. What good is a cover role of doctor if it cannot be used effectively by the scum team? So what’s the bottom line? I still kinda think ShadowFacts is guilty. And yet, here we have a real problem. A cleric who casts \*\*arcane \*\*spells which block activity, **cause headaches and drain your strength** , who is certain they’re going to be left alive as LYNCH BAIT based on the lone suspicions of one whole pizzaguy, who if real, forces the scums to block or murder this person in order to effectively wage war against the town forces. A tracker who tracks a dead guy, a CLAIMED NPC, a GUY WHO HAS ALREADY CLAIMED TO HAVE NIGHT ACTIONS, and someone who they think is an exposed doctor and therefore should end up murdered, who JUST HAPPENS to be able to verify that this person is casting protective spells… using **arcane magic** … when you just happened to gain the ability to discern helpfulness that same night, that same night that the paranoid doctor became a real doctor, that same night that the silencing effect should have halted but continued anyway undeterred, the same night that Red Skeezix reports being blocked as well. When ShadowFacts claims to have blocked me. **Now, if ShadowFacts flips townie, then guess what.** The same blocker who blocked Lightfoot last night was the blocker who has been blocking Lightfoot all along. That explains the color consistency. **And if Red Skeezix flips townie too, there can be no doubt that Inner Stickler is guilty; and Suburban Plankton is guilty for backing up his story.** Now, I am really not looking forward to lynching Inner Stickler and being wrong. That would undo everything I’ve done positive and right all game long. But the fact that he’s sure he’s not going to be murdered, and he’s a cleric that causes headaches and drains strength with arcane magic, whose story is conveniently backed up by a tracker who is suspiciously unlucky with his tracking power to gain absolutely ZERO new information all game long (and unlike Red Skeezix, has no explanation except magical additional roleblockers on top of all the ones we know about) and has absolutely **no reason** to be tracking ShadowFacts who has claimed to have night actions and will be using them for obvious reasons, scum or townie. What in the blue Skeezix is wrong with me. I can’t just be happy that I look townie and have been confirmed townie and I have septimus’ blood on my hands. I seem to be absolutely insisting on beating my head against a wall until they’re all dead, and I seem to be willing to drive straight over the body of the town doctor to do it. I have a disease or something. But, my friends… I just can’t write off all of this as something that doesn’t need to be examined or followed up on. Please, confirm to me, that Inner Stickler, will not be allowed, to survive this game. And finally, a personal request to the scums who have reason to grant such a request: LORDS OF SLAUGHTER, KILL ME PLEASE. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1935 "2011-08-10T10:48:00Z")
**sobbing** My head hurts and I really want to be dead so I don’t have to keep doing this. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1936 "2011-08-10T10:56:38Z")
> [@](#): > > **Wizards, sorcerers and bards learn to cast arcane spells, which are typically flashy and powerful, but, prior to 4th edition, often require complex movements and gestures known as somatic components** > [@](#): > > Inner Stickler never even knew you were there. **You watched in silence as his hands twisted into arcane shapes.** After a few minutes,\*\* a bright blue flash of light rocketed away, \*\* disappearing into the distance. You’ve seen magic like that before. While you can’t be certain of the exact spell Inner Stickler had cast, it was definitely something helpful. It’s obviously arcane magic being cast here. I didn’t even notice the emphasis on complex gestural “somatic” components, and the “flashy” aspect. But those are additional bits of data which confirm that this was arcane magic I overlooked the first time. Clerics cast divine magic which is different. [QUOTE=wikipedia] Although divine spells can be cast equally well while wearing armor, **only rarely require material components, and do not need to be prepared from a spell book, they are generally less overtly powerful than arcane spells** and have fewer offensive applications. **Despite the lack of flashy spells** such as the _fireball_ or _meteor swarm_ granted to a wizard, many very powerful spells—such as _gate_, _summon monster IX_, and _energy drain_—are shared between clerics and wizards. [/QUOTE] This is clearly NOT divine magic, which a cleric would use. If the game hosts are remotely familiar with DnD (I am not really, I just double checked a freaking wikipedia page…) then they’d be sure to get such details correct. Either Suburban Plankton the townie caught Inner Stickler casting arcane magic, or Suburban Plankton the scumbag unwittingly damned himself and his partner while trying to defend Stickler from my inquisition. I don’t know which it is, but seriously, a cleric who drains strength. Please tell me I’m not crazy for asking these questions… or just kill me as I requested. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1937 "2011-08-10T10:58:14Z")
…Just lynch ShadowFacts. I can’t be responsible for lynching a townie Inner Stickler. I’m sorry everyone. I have to go to sleep now. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deendee-mafia/588052/1938 "2011-08-10T11:35:47Z")
Does this match any Arcane spell? > [@](#): > > Arcane spells (not an exhaustive list) > [ul] > [li]_ **Color Spray** _: A vivid cone of clashing colors springs forth from the caster’s hand, causing creatures to become stunned, perhaps also blinded, and possibly even knocking them unconscious.[/li][li]_ **Darkvision** _: The subject gains the ability to see clearly (albeit in black and white) in total darkness.[/li][li]_ **Feather Fall** _: The affected creatures or objects fall slowly; at a feather rate. Feather fall instantly changes the rate at which the targets fall to a mere 60 feet per round (equivalent to the end of a fall from a few feet), and the subjects take no damage upon landing while the spell is in effect. However, when the spell duration expires, a normal rate of falling resumes.[/li][li]_ **Fireball** _: A tiny ball flies forward from the caster, exploding in a huge fireball at a point designated by the caster. While an extremely potent spell, the caster must take care to avoid catching allies in the explosion, or to accidentally strike an obstruction and detonate the spell early.[/li][li]_ **Flesh to Stone** _: The subject, along with all its carried gear, is turned into a mindless, inert, stone statue. If the statue resulting from this spell is broken or damaged, the subject (if ever returned to its original state) has similar damage or deformities. (See also: [Petrification](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrifaction_in_mythology_and_fiction))[/li][li]_ **Invisibility** _: The target of this spell becomes invisible for a time, but immediately becomes visible if he attacks a person or creature.[/li][li]_ **Magic Missile** _: A bolt of pure energy from the caster’s fingertips. It strikes a target automatically, with multiple missiles launched at higher levels. The spell’s ability to cause automatic damage makes it one of the most-used spells.[[3]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons#cite_note-dummies-2) In the initial release of 4e, _magic missile_ required an attack roll. The July 2010 update changed this back to an automatic hit, albeit with a lower amount of damage.[/li][li]_ **Meteor Swarm** _: Four meteors fly forward and explode like Fireballs. One of the most destructive spells in the game, capable of rending castles or devastating entire armies.[/li][li]_ **Polymorph** _: Transforms a target into another creature of the caster’s choosing, such as an ogre, a small giant or the like. In some editions, polymorph is divided into several spells, for example, in 3rd edition, it is divided into Polymorph Self, which can only target the caster, and Polymorph Other, a higher level spell which can affect other targets, while in 3.5 edition, it is divided into Polymorph, which can only affect a willing target, and the higher level Baleful Polymorph, can transform an unwilling target into a weaker form, such as a frog.[/li][li]_ **Scrying** _: Allows the caster to spy on someone from a distance.[/li][li]_ **Summon Monster** _: Summons a single extraplanar creature or several weaker extraplanar creatures. Most of the creatures are animals with the celestial creature template, although elementals and other creatures unique to other planes are also available. In 3rd edition, there is a distinct Summon Monster spell, differentiated by a Roman numeral, for each of the nine spell levels, with higher level spells summoning more powerful monsters.[/li][li]_ **Teleport** _: Allows the caster to instantly appear somewhere else in the world, though at lower levels this ability can be somewhat imprecise.[/li][li]_ **Time Stop** _: Allows the caster to manipulate the flow of [time](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time), giving him few extra moments to act when time is “stopped” for everyone (and everything) else.[/li][li]_ **Wish** _: The mightiest of all non-epic spells a wizard or sorcerer can cast. Bending reality, the caster can change the events of the past few minutes, create an object from nothing, emulate another spell or create practically any effect they can imagine. However, casting the spell has a considerable cost, for example, in 3rd and 3.5 editions, this spell drains the caster of [experience points](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_points), while in 1st and 2nd edition _AD&D_, casting Wish causes the caster to age several years. Though the wish can technically fulfill any desire, there are set limitations as to what can be wished for without consequence. Dungeon Masters are often encouraged to interpret a player’s wish as literally as possible, particularly for selfish or greedy wishes (or any other wish that exceeds the set boundaries for “safe” wishes). For example, if someone wished for a fortune in gold, the DM could grant the wish by appropriating a local king’s treasury, making the wisher a target for retaliation. Or, if somebody wished to live forever, they could end up being trapped in an extradimensional space. Thus, the wisher must be very careful upon using the spell.[/li][/ul] **Color spray** This spell or something similar makes sense, modified slightly to fit the Mafia setting. **The bright color flash, arcane motions beforehand, and stunning or paralyzing effect is what happened to Lightfoot.** Does this match any Divine spell? > [@](#): > > Divine spells (not an exhaustive list) > [ul] > [li]_ **Cure light wounds** _: A basic healing spell available to clerics, druids, bards, paladins, and rangers.[/li][li]_ **Cure critical wounds** _: A more powerful healing spell available only to clerics, druids, and bards.[/li][li]_ **Detect evil** _: The caster is able to tell if someone or something he looks at is evil. Other versions of this spell exist for the various other alignment components, such as good, lawful, and chaotic.[/li][li]_ **Raise dead** _: The power to revive a deceased character, as long as their remains are roughly whole and have not deteriorated beyond a certain point. The character being revived will lose enough experience points to drop their most recent class level. More potent versions of this spell include _resurrection_, which needs only a fragment of the body, and _true resurrection_, which doesn’t need the body at all and can be performed many years after the character’s death.[/li][li]_ **Miracle** _: This is the Divine equivalent of _wish._ It essentially calls upon the cleric’s deity to perform an epic miracle, such as resurrecting an entire army or lifting a massive curse. Unlike wish, it may or may not come at a high cost of [experience points](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_points), depending on the miracle requested. The miracle-granting deity is typically more forgiving of its followers’ requests than the _wish_ spell is, but this can change depending on the deity’s [alignment](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_%28role-playing_games%29) and the specific miracle being requested.[/li][li]_ **Summon Nature’s Ally** _: This Druid spell can summon one creature or several weaker creatures. It is similar to the arcane Summon Monster spells (which Clerics can also cast as Divine spells), and like Summon Monster there is a variant of Summon Nature’s Ally for each spell level. Summon Nature’s Ally differs from Summon Monster in the kind of creatures it is capable of summoning. Most of the available creatures are animals, although elementals, magical beasts and fey are also available.[/li][/ul] None of the basic Divine spells match what happened. Yeah going to bed now. ---
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I’m not saying anyone should follow me, but apparently my brain won’t let me sleep until I do this. **Vote: Inner Stickler** With at least some intention of following that up with an unvote of ShadowFacts and a lock on Stickler. And yet, the possibility of me being wrong here, which is real, makes me nervous enough to not lock. I want discussion and defense before I do the rash action. ---
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