# Deep Space 9 and Voyager Re-watch \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409 "2012-03-10T21:40:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/81 "2012-03-24T00:12:43Z")
A franchise with god-like beings like Q, and y’all choose Odo to get picky about violating laws of physics? Nerds. (I’m allowed to call you nerds, I’m a nerd too.)😉 ---
**Author:** ![NiceGuyJack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/niceguyjack/32/3069_2.png) [@NiceGuyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NiceGuyJack)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/82 "2012-03-24T10:15:19Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > A franchise with god-like beings like Q, and y’all choose Odo to get picky about violating laws of physics? > > Nerds. > (I’m allowed to call you nerds, I’m a nerd too.)😉 I confess I never really liked the Q episodes. Just finished watching the episode “Rejoined”. Trills in love! Need I say more? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/83 "2012-03-24T10:52:55Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > A franchise with god-like beings like Q, and y’all choose Odo to get picky about violating laws of physics? > > Nerds. Nah. The Q are a type of alien so advanced that their technology is indistinguishable from magic to us. Q has flat out said that we would eventually be able to do what they do, and possible more. And we know the basics: the Q can convert energy to matter and apparently can change the fundamental constants of the universe. And if you don’t discount Voyager’s “The Q and the Grey” as just metaphor, they apparently exist as humans in another dimension and can be wounded by supernovas. ---
**Author:** ![NiceGuyJack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/niceguyjack/32/3069_2.png) [@NiceGuyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NiceGuyJack)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/84 "2012-03-24T18:03:03Z")
I usually don’t care much for the time travel episode, but in this case it was sort of funny. Anyway, in the “Little Green Men” episode… Quark, Rom, and Nog are transported in time and end up crashing in Roswell, New Mexico. Playing into the Roswell crash conspiracy theory. The problem is, I seem to recall another episode in TOS, that did the same. In which case there is a continuance problem. Perhaps I’m not remembering it right or perhaps I’m thinking of another series. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/85 "2012-03-24T18:23:37Z")
> [@NiceGuyJack](#): > > I usually don’t care much for the time travel episode, but in this case it was sort of funny. Anyway, in the “Little Green Men” episode… > > Quark, Rom, and Nog are transported in time and end up crashing in Roswell, New Mexico. Playing into the Roswell crash conspiracy theory. > > The problem is, I seem to recall another episode in TOS, that did the same. In which case there is a continuance problem. Perhaps I’m not remembering it right or perhaps I’m thinking of another series. The TOS episode that was a pilot for a time traveling show with Teri Garr had them at Cape Canavaral. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/86 "2012-03-24T22:42:28Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The TOS episode that was a pilot for a time traveling show with Teri Garr had them at Cape Canavaral. Correct. Not a Roswell tie-in there: [Assignment: Earth (episode) | Memory Alpha | Fandom](http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Assignment:_Earth_(episode)) ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/87 "2012-03-24T23:25:09Z")
> [@NiceGuyJack](#): > > The problem is, I seem to recall another episode in TOS, that did the same. In which case there is a continuance problem. Perhaps I’m not remembering it right or perhaps I’m thinking of another series. You’re probably thinking of [Futurama](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_That_Ends_Well). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/88 "2012-03-24T23:28:15Z")
The solution is extremely easy: The Star Trek Universe (or really ANY TV Universe) _is not our Universe_. Things are possible there that are not possible in this Universe. Just remember the old MST3K song/mantra; If you’re wondering how he eats and breathes And other science facts, Just repeat to yourself "It’s just a show, I should really just relax. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/89 "2012-03-24T23:41:05Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > The solution is extremely easy: The Star Trek Universe (or really ANY TV Universe) _is not our Universe_. Things are possible there that are not possible in this Universe. This is a very annoying and tired complaint that often crops up in these sorts of threads. “But it’s _fiction_. It’s _all_ made-up. Chill out!” Yes, it’s fiction. It’s fiction set in a universe that is not ours, but that still has set rules and internal consistency. When that internal consistency is violated, it can be annoying. If you are reading a Harry Potter novel, and there is an epic wizard battle happening, and then suddenly one of the wizards pulls out his ray gun and vaporizes his opponents, you will probably think, “Hey, that didn’t make any sense!” _even though_ the entire book is fiction and magic doesn’t really exist. And anyway, some people find it enjoyable to discuss inconsistencies and plot foul-ups or whatever. I am one of them. It doesn’t mean I hate Star Trek (or Doctor Who or Lost or whatever – no, OK, I do actually hate Lost, but that’s beside the point), it just means I like discussing nitpicky stuff like this. If that bothers you, then remember: It’s just a message board! You should really just relax! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/90 "2012-03-25T00:52:50Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > If you are reading a Harry Potter novel, and there is an epic wizard battle happening, and then suddenly one of the wizards pulls out his ray gun and vaporizes his opponents, I think it would be pretty cool if one of them brought a sawed off Mossberg out from his robe and blew the other guy through the wall, wand and all. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/91 "2012-03-25T11:20:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think it would be pretty cool if one of them brought a sawed off Mossberg out from his robe and blew the other guy through the wall, wand and all. 🙂 “Yippus kai yayyus, madre irrumabos” ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/92 "2012-03-26T14:32:18Z")
> [@NiceGuyJack](#): > > If anything, I was more disappointed in the preceding episode “Whispers” where everyone on DS9 are aware that it wasn’t the real O’Brien and they don’t do anything about it and even let the clone O’Brien escape. If they knew it was the clone, they should have just locked him up right away. Why the need for the charade until they could find the real O’Brien? But then, I guess there wouldn’t have been a story I suppose. I happen to love that episode, (even though it’s one of the long line of “O’Brien gets shit on by the universe” episodes) though it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it. So I may be wrong about this, but I thought: That the crew left him free, but closely monitored his actions to determine who sent the clone and why? Sort of giving him a little bit of rope to hang himself. ---
**Author:** ![NiceGuyJack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/niceguyjack/32/3069_2.png) [@NiceGuyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NiceGuyJack)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/93 "2012-03-26T15:05:43Z")
Into season 5 now. So Worf and Dax are… a couple. Which would indicate that Worf somehow broke up with Diana Troi. I can’t remember seeing anything or hearing about how they broke up. On another note, there is an episode where Keiko’s… baby gets transferred to Kira because of some accident. In that episode, someone asks the doctor if there was any problem with putting a human fetus into a Bajoran and he says something about adjusting the metabolism or something so that Kira could carry the human baby. Meanwhile, there are halflings all over the damned place. I have to admit I always thought that part was really far-fetched. I just don’t see how two different species evolving from different planets would ever be able to produce off-spring. Again, perhaps just a small nitpick. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/94 "2012-03-26T15:24:04Z")
> [@NiceGuyJack](#): > > Into season 5 now. > > So Worf and Dax are… > > a couple. Which would indicate that Worf somehow broke up with Diana Troi. I can’t remember seeing anything or hearing about how they broke up. I believe that after _All Good Things_ Picard told Work and Riker about their friendship being severed because of Troi. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/95 "2012-03-26T15:48:24Z")
> [@NiceGuyJack](#): > > baby gets transferred to Kira because of some accident. In that episode, someone asks the doctor if there was any problem with putting a human fetus into a Bajoran and he says something about adjusting the metabolism or something so that Kira could carry the human baby. Meanwhile, there are halflings all over the damned place. I have to admit I always thought that part was really far-fetched. I just don’t see how two different species evolving from different planets would ever be able to produce off-spring. > > Again, perhaps just a small nitpick. This example’s probably a lot less far-fetched than the standard half-breed. [spoiler]The baby already existed as a developed fetus. All it needed was a warm place with a supply of nutirents and hormones to finish “baking”. The proper hormones could be provided by injections. That’s a whole lot easier than chromosomes from different species combining into a viable fetus. Trek has been inconsistent about the half-breed issue. In Enterprise, a vulcan/human hybrid didn’t “just happen”. Without proper fantasy medical procedures, it failed to work. The implication was that Spock and other hybrids required some sort of voodoo prep-work to get a viable embryo. Of course, that stretches disbelief a bit when there are so many half-Romulans, half-Klingons and the like running around, with the implication that their births were not intentional. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![NiceGuyJack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/niceguyjack/32/3069_2.png) [@NiceGuyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NiceGuyJack)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/96 "2012-03-26T15:56:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe that after _All Good Things_ Picard told Work and Riker about their friendship being severed because of Troi. That might have been true regarding Worf and Riker’s friendship, but that still doesn’t give any indications regarding Troi. Perhaps it was intentionally left unexplained. ---
**Author:** ![NiceGuyJack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/niceguyjack/32/3069_2.png) [@NiceGuyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NiceGuyJack)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/97 "2012-03-26T15:57:54Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > This example’s probably a lot less far-fetched than the standard half-breed. [spoiler]The baby already existed as a developed fetus. All it needed was a warm place with a supply of nutirents and hormones to finish “baking”. The proper hormones could be provided by injections. That’s a whole lot easier than chromosomes from different species combining into a viable fetus. > > Trek has been inconsistent about the half-breed issue. In Enterprise, a vulcan/human hybrid didn’t “just happen”. Without proper fantasy medical procedures, it failed to work. The implication was that Spock and other hybrids required some sort of voodoo prep-work to get a viable embryo. Of course, that stretches disbelief a bit when there are so many half-Romulans, half-Klingons and the like running around, with the implication that their births were not intentional. > [/spoiler] That was my point exactly. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/98 "2012-03-26T16:30:48Z")
> [@NiceGuyJack](#): > > That might have been true regarding Worf and Riker’s friendship, but that still doesn’t give any indications regarding Troi. > > Perhaps it was intentionally left unexplained. I thought they broke up to preserve the friendship. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/99 "2012-03-26T21:34:51Z")
> [@NiceGuyJack](#): > > That might have been true regarding Worf and Riker’s friendship, but that still doesn’t give any indications regarding Troi. > > Perhaps it was intentionally left unexplained. I don’t think it’s ever directly addressed in the series, but there is a novel which is just about that. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409/100 "2012-03-27T00:15:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Nah. The Q are a type of alien so advanced that their technology is indistinguishable from magic to us. Q has flat out said that we would eventually be able to do what they do, and possible more. > > And we know the basics: the Q can convert energy to matter and apparently can change the fundamental constants of the universe. And if you don’t discount Voyager’s “The Q and the Grey” as just metaphor, they apparently exist as humans in another dimension and can be wounded by supernovas. The point is, the Q violate far more than changelings do, not how they got that powerful or what their methods are. If the Q can turn Wesley into an adult, whats so strange about a being that can alter its mass while changing shape? And frankly, there’s a lot of Voyager that should probably be discounted. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-and-voyager-re-watch-edited-title/615409.md?page=6)