# Deep Space 9 on Spike TV, people! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 24, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216 "2004-03-24T22:41:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/81 "2004-04-10T17:54:53Z")
> [@spiralscratch](#): > > The Maquis did nothing to help Bejor. They were there to help themselves and the others in the DMZ. Those were Federation worlds, not Bejoran. The Bejoran government owes her nothing. > > Ro is a fugitive and traitor as far as Starfleet and the Federation are concerned. They’d want her to stand trial for what she did. As she was a part of Starfleet, was accountable to them, and committed crimes against them and the Federation, I would think the Bejoran government would have to hand her over. > > Also, consider the mistrust Starfleet had for Odo in that position, and then imagine putting in someone that had actually screwed Starfleet in the past. Bejor wants to be a part of the Federation, and a move like that would certainly strain relations. The Maquis may’ve been made up of Starfleet deserters but a lot of its members were also Bajoran considering its enemy was the Cardassian Union. So far as Laren concerned, she isn’t even a Starfleet citizen seeing as how Bajor isn’t a member yet and when she was captured, she would have most likely been handed over to her world’s government for punishment instead of being prosecuted by the Federation. DS9 showed the UFP isn’t as idealistic as TNG made it out to be, true, but it’s hardly an entity that would try to piss off its prospective members by holding one of their own for crimes they would most likely approve of. This is the same government made up almost exclusively of terrorists and freedom fighters, after all. Do you honestly expect them to do more than just possibly slap her wrist and tell her she was a naughty girl? With that possibly happening, I see no reason not to go one step further and have them appoint Ro to the position of Security chief since she’s had Starfleet training and is familiar with all the protocalls in addition to being an unquestioned patriot. If or when the Federation ever takes over Deep Space Nine if or when Bajor joins, that would be when Laren would be released from her duty… until then, DS9 is a Bajoran station and UFP personnel are only guests. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/82 "2004-04-12T15:41:25Z")
Didn’t mean to sidetrack too much on the books, but since when do SDMB Trek threads stay ontopic? 🙂 I agree that Nog doesn’t hold a candle to O’Brien, but the book stresses that following the Dominion War, Starfleet is spread very thin, especially the Engineers. With lots of repairs to be done across the fleet, DS9 has to take care of itself the best it can. Nog isn’t the capable miracle worker that Scotty, Geordi, or O’Brien would be. He’s more the whiz kid over his head in a job that he’s not sure he can do. As for Ro, **Aesiron’s** got the gist of it. Plus, after the Maquis were destroyed by the Dominion, she apparently led a small group of rebels against the Dominion. (Don’t recall that being mentioned in the show, I think it was made up for the book). This apparently makes up for her previous behavior in the eyes of Bajor’s government. Starfleet still doesn’t trust her, and niether does Kira. Granted, her even being involved is exactly the sort of fanboy crossover that I usually hate in such books. I could do without the minor appearance of the Enterprise in the book, too. But I think it’s pulled off pretty well in this particular case. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/83 "2004-04-13T15:27:23Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > The Ferengi being played by Jews (if that is true… Shimmerman’s Jewish but are the actors that played Rom [Grodenchek?], Zek [Shawn], Nog [Eisenberg?], Brunt [Coombs? Combs?], etc all Jewish as well?) does look pretty suspicious though. The Ferengi were played by _short people_. Are Jewish people generally shorter than non-Jewish people? I can’t imagine that they are, but I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/84 "2004-04-13T23:32:45Z")
You’re asking the person who earlier said he had no idea what the stereotype of a Jew is. In other words: I’unno. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/85 "2004-04-14T00:35:21Z")
There was a thread a while back here about the Ferengi that was quite telling, I thought. Just about everyone agreed that the Ferengi were based on some negative stereotype of some race. However, no one seemed able to agree on _which_ race they were supposed to represent. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/86 "2004-04-14T01:01:51Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > As for Ro, **Aesiron’s** got the gist of it. Plus, after the Maquis were destroyed by the Dominion, she apparently led a small group of rebels against the Dominion. (Don’t recall that being mentioned in the show, I think it was made up for the book). This apparently makes up for her previous behavior in the eyes of Bajor’s government. Starfleet still doesn’t trust her, and niether does Kira. > > Granted, her even being involved is exactly the sort of fanboy crossover that I usually hate in such books. Well, of COURSE Kira doesn’t trust her. She knows, on some level, that Ro was supposed to be in her position (until Michelle Forbes decided to pull out of the ST universe entirely)! ---
**Author:** ![Unix\_Geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unix_geek/32/19368_2.png) [@Unix\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unix_Geek)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/87 "2004-04-14T01:36:55Z")
Yes, thank you Spike for bringing back DS9… but some of the commericals on Spike make it difficult to have my 10 year old daughter watch with me. :smack: Do we really need a herbal supplement to get it up? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/88 "2004-04-14T01:45:27Z")
> [@Unix Geek](#): > > Do we really need a herbal supplement to get it up? Enough guys watching the “Channel for Men” have erectile dysfunction that they can make money advertising it? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/89 "2004-06-22T15:49:45Z")
Sorry to dredge up a two-month old thread, but it was either that or start “DS9’s The Visitor appreciation thread.” The Visitor was on Spike last week and I just watched it on TiVo with GonzoGal yesterday. (she’d never seen it before, and it’s now “The best DS9 ever” according to her.) I’m tempted to agree, although there are some others that are sentimental favorites. Damn, that’s a good episode. I started weeping about 5 seconds into it, when the camera pans down to the picture of Jake and Ben. Tony Todd, Cirroc Lofton, and Avery Brooks nail the emotion. The direction is great, too. I love the shot of Kira talking to Jake, all in darkness, all in reflection on the window. Sure, the old age makeup is a bit fake looking at times, and the girl writer is pretty much a non-character to take the place of the audience, and the future predicted doesn’t make much sense when you know what happens in the rest of the series. (No Dominion War if Sisko’s not there?) But aside from those minor quibbles, wow. just wow. That’s what I call Star Trek. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/90 "2004-06-23T08:02:54Z")
Maybe it was because I was fourteen or so when I first watched the show but I’m one of the few people I’ve talked to that just isn’t that impressed with _The Visitor_. I don’t remember it being particularly moving or especially powerful and was actually pretty bored with it when it aired. I need to catch it again to see if my view has changed but as is, it ranks up there with _City on the Edge of Forever_ and \*Family \* in terms of overrated character pieces (in my opinion only, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/91 "2004-06-23T08:26:11Z")
> [@Michael Ellis](#): > > Because of Kira, man. _Kira!_ You misspelled “Jadzira.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/92 "2004-06-23T08:28:07Z")
Jadzi **r** a? Heh. It’s spelled “Ezri”, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/93 "2004-06-23T09:40:27Z")
So we both misspelled **Jadzia**. Ezri? She looked like a boy compared to Jadzia! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/94 "2004-06-23T09:49:34Z")
Pah. If Ezri is boyish, then Jadzia is surely a transvestite. Of course, with my being bi, I couldn’t really care less. Ezri’s still hotter though. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/95 "2004-06-23T15:07:48Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Maybe it was because I was fourteen or so when I first watched the show but I’m one of the few people I’ve talked to that just isn’t that impressed with _The Visitor_. I don’t remember it being particularly moving or especially powerful and was actually pretty bored with it when it aired. That’s probably the reason, no offense. I was a fourteen year old boy too once, and thought **The Inner Light** was boring. (Hey, put down the stones, I’ve recanted since then!) Try catching it again and see if your opinion changes. If not, hey, to each their own. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216/96 "2004-06-23T16:19:11Z")
None taken. I know fourteen year olds aren’t the best judges of dramas although even at that age, I did like some of the more intelligent episodes of TNG, like _Who Watches the Watchers?_. It didn’t come off as ponderous to me as _The Visitor_ did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-9-on-spike-tv-people/236216.md?page=4)