# Deep Space Nine **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 20, 2003, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802 "2003-04-20T05:30:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/41 "2003-04-24T04:57:46Z")
A fleet captain _is_ a Commodore in Trek. I think. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/42 "2003-04-24T05:03:29Z")
A fleet captain is a Commodore. At least, they have the same rank insignia. In the Next Gen era, though, there were no commodores, at least, none that we saw. Sisko would have been one, though. I thought they shoulda given him that title, particularly after they promoted Kira to colonel. They had two officers with, technically, the same rank running the station. Sisko was made Ross’ right hand guy in the fourth episode or so of the Sixth Season… the episode where they take the Defiant away from him. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/43 "2003-04-24T05:05:56Z")
The rank of Commodore was phased out in TOS. Instead, it was made into a temporary rank for someone commanding multiple starships. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/44 "2003-04-24T10:47:54Z")
I waited 30 years for this scene, the last shot in the 5th season **Call To Arms**. Sisko sitting stern and pensive on the bridge of the Defiant as he meets up with the combined Federation/Klingon taskforce, I had chills for a week. At that point I would have said DS-9 was the best trek ever but then took a horrible turn with all that phrophet/gods stuff I absolutely hated this plot development and it kind of soured my love for DS-9. ---
**Author:** ![Optihut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/edb3f5/32.png) [@Optihut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Optihut)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/45 "2003-04-24T12:04:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Aesiron wrote: > **What? The Borg decimated a fleet of 39 starships at Wolf 359 and you’re blaming it on the First Officer of a Miranda class starship?** Well, Picard seemed to think Sisko screwed up (at least if I remember the pilot correctly, it’s been a while since I saw it) and who am I to argue with the Captain of the Enterprise? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/46 "2003-04-24T22:35:16Z")
As I recall, it was Sisko who blamed Picard for screwing up and thereby killing his (Sisko’s) wife, not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/47 "2003-04-24T22:36:56Z")
And by blaming Picard for “screwing up”, I mean blaming Picard for all the terrible things he did as Locutus. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/48 "2003-04-24T22:46:41Z")
**To Spectrum:** you have the same name as me ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/49 "2003-04-24T23:00:34Z")
Ryan… it’s a small Quadrant. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/50 "2003-04-24T23:02:34Z")
no even the last name is the same… but I bet you guess that :rollseyes: ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/51 "2003-04-24T23:09:31Z")
That is because he is your clone! ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/52 "2003-04-24T23:45:33Z")
Yeah. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/53 "2003-04-24T23:47:06Z")
Yeah to the last name, I mean, not to the clone thing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FabioClone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5f8ce5/32.png) [@FabioClone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FabioClone)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/54 "2003-04-25T00:15:40Z")
Well that’s a disappointment. I was hoping a clone could finally answer that eternal question: [What does Ryan\_Liam look like?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160737&perpage=50&pagenumber=1) And yes. Deep Space 9 still rocks. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/55 "2003-04-25T01:53:37Z")
Yeah to the last name, I mean, not to the clone thing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/56 "2003-04-25T01:55:08Z")
Err, wow, that must be the world’s longest-delayed double post. My bad. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/57 "2003-04-25T03:31:49Z")
Wha’? Most confusing threadjack ever. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/58 "2003-04-25T03:39:41Z")
Whoa! Dude! That was AWESOME! ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/59 "2003-04-25T07:26:06Z")
That’s exactly what a clone would say! (but which one of you am i talking about? Muhahahaha!) ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802/60 "2003-04-25T18:44:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*The rank of Commodore was phased out in TOS. Instead, it was made into a temporary rank for someone commanding multiple starships. \*\* Then why did William Shatner do commercials for the **Commodore** VIC-20 back in the early 1980s? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deep-space-nine/169802.md?page=4)