# Deepest Brooklyn. At 11:00 a.m. On a Sunday. Are you out of your fucking MIND? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768 "2003-05-27T14:22:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![OxyMoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9a140/32.png) [@OxyMoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OxyMoron)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/1 "2003-05-27T14:22:15Z")
Darling “Gretel.” Congratulations on your upcoming birthday! I wouldn’t quite have the balls to plan and send invitations for my own birthday party, but hey, I’m OK with that, especially in our demographic in New York - people entertain so rarely that the idea of doing so in honor of someone else is all but extinct. But what the _fuck_ are you thinking on the timing? Look, I know the real estate market is pretty different from when I came to New York. Even in those days, I couldn’t afford to live in Manhattan, and since then my old stomping grounds in Park Slope has become impossible. I’m all in favor of being realistic about what one can afford. So if I were in your shoes today, I’d probably be living in Bed-Stuy, too, which is 45 minutes away from even downtown Manhattan. What I would _not_ be doing is **planning a brunch to start in the morning on a Sunday!** In Manhattan, no one goes to brunch in the morning because (a) they aren’t up yet and (b) restaurants can’t serve alcohol on Sundays until noon. For god’s sake, who the hell is gonna get up early to go to _Brooklyn_? Don’t you ever do subtraction when thinking about the timing? I’m coming from Chelsea, which is not _that_ far away as things go; I’m probably about mid-range in distance among your friends. You have exactly _one_ subway station “nearby,” and it’s a half-mile away - at Utica Avenue on the A train. Now, luckily I happen to live on top of an A train stop. But it’s _Sunday fucking morning_, remember? Trains only run every 15-20 minutes, because the MTA knows that civilized people aren’t awake and moving before noon. So that means that in order to have even a prayer of getting to Utica Ave by 10:50 (giving me ten minutes to walk 1/2 mile, which is not too bad for me), I will have to leave my apartment no later than 9:50. Which, realistically, means that I will have to be up by 9:00 a.m. On a Sunday. Sweetheart, just what demographic do you think your friends are in? Here’s a clue: it ain’t churchgoers, or parents of early-rising brats\*. Fabulous, partying dykes in their mid-20s don’t know too many of either. Oh, but your girlfiend wants to be somewhere at 2:00. Well, I guess that’s just incompatible with your party planning, isn’t it? Because the earliest people will show is at noon, and people normally stay at brunch until at least 2:30 or 3. If you’re lucky, you might get to where you want to go at 4:00. Better prepare her for that likelihood. :wally (Hell, I wouldn’t plan a brunch to start before noon even where I live, which is pretty damn centrally located. People don’t like me _that_ much.) \*Which is redundant. Hominid creatures are, by definition, brats until they regularly sleep later than the last-rising adult in the household. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/2 "2003-05-27T16:49:56Z")
Or, you could plan to pass on whatever wonderful activities you were planning on for Saturday night in order to get up by 9:00. It is possible to, you know, change your schedule a bit to accomidate your friend’s birthday celebration. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/3 "2003-05-27T17:11:08Z")
And since when is it rude to send invitations to your own party? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/4 "2003-05-27T17:13:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eonwe \* > \*\*Or, you could plan to pass on whatever wonderful activities you were planning on for Saturday night in order to get up by 9:00. > > It is possible to, you know, change your schedule a bit to accomidate your friend’s birthday celebration. \*\* But as **Oxy** pointed out, there’s no alcohol sold before noon. I don’t know about y’all, but AFAIAC, a brunch without mimosas ain’t no brunch a’tall. Moreover, the exigencies of the subway schedule and her girlfriend’s appointment show me that the birthday girl is inconveniencing her friends out of sheer selfishness. And for some reason, this whole mishegoss about braving the wilds of darkest Brooklyn is giving me a PDQ Bach moment _Iphegenia Iphegenia Iphegenia Herself in Brooklyn found_ ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/5 "2003-05-27T17:20:48Z")
Manhattan snob:rolleyes: 😃 . It’s BROOKLYN, not somewhere like Long Island or whatnot. It’ll take you 45 minutes tops to get to Bed-Stuy, yes, even on a Sunday morning. And you can always take a bus from the station. Ava ---
**Author:** ![OxyMoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9a140/32.png) [@OxyMoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OxyMoron)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/6 "2003-05-27T17:52:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by friedo \* > \*\*And since when is it rude to send invitations to your own party? \*\* To your own _party_, of course not! To your own _birthday_, a little. It teeters on the edge of asking people for presents. Not something that bothers me too much, though. No, what bugs me is the timing. As I mentioned, even where I’m located I wouldn’t tell everybody 11 a.m. on a Sunday. Not and expect anyone to show - noon at the earliest, most likely 1 pm. I don’t even find it particularly rude, just _dumb_. I’m always in a holy terror that I’ll throw a party and no one will come. I mean, know your audience, you know? We’ll see if it works… ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/7 "2003-05-27T18:03:19Z")
New Yorkers are weird. ---
**Author:** ![Caricci](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85f322/32.png) [@Caricci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caricci)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/8 "2003-05-27T18:06:57Z")
Oh, my land in heaven, just don’t go then. ---
**Author:** ![KarmaComa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@KarmaComa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarmaComa)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/9 "2003-05-27T18:07:36Z")
COUGH fairweather friend COUGH. The world is such an awful place, OxyMoron. You don’t deserve it. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/10 "2003-05-27T18:11:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OxyMoron \* > Which, realistically, means that I will have to be up by 9:00 a.m. On a Sunday. Send me your phone number. I’ll ring you at 5am, which is when I get up. You can spend the extra 4 hours liquoring yourself up from your own liquor cabinet. I have solved 2 of your problems in 3 sentences. The whining might take a bit longer. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/11 "2003-05-27T18:18:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Send me your phone number. I’ll ring you at 5am, which is when I get up. You can spend the extra 4 hours liquoring yourself up from your own liquor cabinet. A. You’re missing the point. B. 5am on a Sunday? Who gets up that early on the one day you get to sleep in? **Homebrew** , New Yorkers are not (all) weird, and NYC is _fabulous_! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/12 "2003-05-27T18:23:37Z")
Yes, I once met a New Yorker who wasn’t weird. I remember it well, it was October 1995… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/13 "2003-05-27T18:27:34Z")
A. I don’t really _see_ a compelling point. 11am is a normal time for brunch (you know - combination breakfast / lunch :rolleyes: ). Don’t like it, don’t go. B. I do. I would encourage you to sleep as late as practical, but don’t complain about getting up early if you are fitting in 4 or more hours of sleep than me. C. I too am a New Yorker. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/14 "2003-05-27T18:50:53Z")
Deepest Brooklyn? Ha! Try Darkest Peru! At ANY hour. Travelocity and mapquest run away screaming when I enter Darkest Peru into their driving directions or fare-finder things. Deepest Brookyln indeed.:-p ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/15 "2003-05-27T19:01:52Z")
Methinks **Oxy** had a really bad hangover when he decided to post this. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/16 "2003-05-27T19:19:00Z")
Hey **Oxy** , what’s to prevent you from going the night before and sleeping over? That way you wouldn’t have to wake up, really, until about 15 of 11. ---
**Author:** ![OxyMoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9a140/32.png) [@OxyMoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OxyMoron)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/17 "2003-05-27T19:26:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > \*\*A. I don’t really _see_ a compelling point. 11am is a normal time for brunch (you know - combination breakfast / lunch :rolleyes: ). Don’t like it, don’t go. > B. I do. I would encourage you to sleep as late as practical, but don’t complain about getting up early if you are fitting in 4 or more hours of sleep than me. > C. I too am a New Yorker. \*\* Goodness, gracious, _where_ in this city is 11:00 a normal hour for brunch? 😉 All brunch means is that it’s later than breakfast, and you can choose between vaguely breakfast-y and vaguely lunch-y foods. Most of the restaurants I know serve it from roughly 11:00 to 4 - e.g. [Grange Hall](http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/7117594/), 10:30 to 4, or [Garage](http://www.greenwich-village-nyc.com/sitepages/garage/), noon to 4. I don’t recall seeing that much activity earlier than that hour even in Upper West Side stroller-land. Oh, and both **Gorgon** and **Punha** were witnesses to what induced my last hangover - almost 18 months ago! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/18 "2003-05-27T19:32:46Z")
Wel, **Oxy** , I remember a few things you did that night that would induce some sort of brain scramble the following morning. Whichever are you referencing?😃 [sub]Kidding. Of course, if you don’t remember the other thing I’m talking about ain’t none of this gonna make sense…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/19 "2003-05-27T20:08:54Z")
Jeez - arguably the best public transportation in the world, and yer bitching because you have to go to brunch at a reasonable hour to spend it with a friend on her birthday (which, after all, should be “all about her” since it’s her birthday.) Just don’t go. Send a gift card instead. I’m sure she wouldn’t want you to inconvenience yourself. :rolleyes: Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768/20 "2003-05-27T20:33:22Z")
**Oxy** Let’s make a deal. I’ll go to this friends party if you go to the next kids party at some _Chucky Cheese-hell Emporioum Petrie Dish._ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deepest-brooklyn-at-11-00-a-m-on-a-sunday-are-you-out-of-your-fucking-mind/177768.md?page=2)