# Deer hunter kiils 5 ... other hunters, to hold his tree stand? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 22, 2004, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068 "2004-11-22T06:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2004, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/61 "2004-11-23T17:49:56Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I can get an SKS for a buck-eighty-nine? Shop around. Mine was $150, and it came with 1000 rounds (corrosive, so 5 minutes shooting=1/2 hour cleaning). It’s a fun plinking gun. Cheap to shoot, accurate to a degree, and gives a satisfying _WHOOMP_. I recommend bowling pins for targets. You’d be amazed at how many rounds those things can take. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/62 "2004-11-23T18:12:09Z")
> [@](#): > > “When you’re hunting you don’t expect somebody to try to shoot you and murder you,” Well, unless you’re a deer. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2004, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/63 "2004-11-23T18:15:35Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > The lady with the laundry was in Maine in 1988. From [here](http://www1.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/24/ctv.berseth/): So, “a few years back” is actually 16 years ago. You have to go this far back to find a civilian death from hunting. The rare cases where there is a fatal hunting accident are almost always hunters. It’s extremely rare to have non hunters be killed during hunting season. I can’t find stats for MA online, but here is an article which talks about New Hampshire hunting safety: [From the Union Leader](http://theunionleader.com/weather_show.html?article=46707) > [@](#): > > Insurance companies like to quantify things in rates per 100,000. When you do that, New Hampshire’s hunting accident rates comes out to 2.98 per 100,000. This an astoundingly low rate compared with just about any other sport or pursuit. > > For instance, the National Safety Council put the 2001 football accident rate at 2,369 per 100,000, compared with six per 100,000 for hunters nationally. Swimming had a rate of 319, golf 173, soccer 1,262, and basketball 2,326. Even climbing and hiking have accident rates far out-stripping hunting. To state that “Every season there are a few deaths” from hunting in MA is simply bullshit. The onus is on **ralphp** to prove his claim, which he will be unable to do. I’ve also been hunting my whole life and never seen a painted cow. Good luck proving that absurd claim. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/64 "2004-11-23T18:38:43Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > Shop around. Dammit! I hate you people! Always trying to spend my money… First place I tried has a Yugoslavian one for $129.99 in NRA-VG condition with a fold-away bayonet and a grenade launcher. No deer on Earth would dare mess with ME! I’d link it but I’m not sure how the mods would react. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/65 "2004-11-23T18:50:14Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > and a grenade launcher. That, at least, would cut down on the field dressing time. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/66 "2004-11-23T21:00:43Z")
[Well, his story is that it was a whole group against just him, that he was not in the tree but on open land when the shooting started, that they shot first, but that he managed to kill 6 of them and wound two others without him getting even grazed](http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/23/hunters.shot.ap/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2004, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/67 "2004-11-23T21:04:17Z")
> [@bup](#): > > [Well, his story is that it was a whole group against just him, that he was not in the tree but on open land when the shooting started, that they shot first, but that he managed to kill 6 of them and wound two others without him getting even grazed](http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/23/hunters.shot.ap/index.html). from your link: > [@](#): > > He was “chasing after them and killing them,” Deputy Tim Zeigle said. “He hunted them down.” There was only one firearm among the eight hunters and it was unclear whether anyone returned fire, authorities had said. We’ll have to wait for more facts. Not that I find his story too credible, but details are still too lacking for anyone to be rendering final judgement. ---
**Author:** ![easy\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@easy\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/easy_e)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/68 "2004-11-24T00:18:03Z")
> [@smartini](#): > > There are also sip and puff rifles which allows someone to fire with their mouth, much like driving a power chair with a sip and puff (essentially certain predetermined things happened based on a series of sips and puffs.) There are also deer stands which are essentially “cherry pickers” so climbing is not required. A group of engineering students at the UW-Madison worked on developing a sip and puff fishing pole for a quadraplegic. It could both cast and reel in. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/69 "2004-11-24T01:29:56Z")
> [@bup](#): > > [Well, his story is that it was a whole group against just him, that he was not in the tree but on open land when the shooting started, that they shot first, but that he managed to kill 6 of them and wound two others without him getting even grazed](http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/23/hunters.shot.ap/index.html). I have no particular pro or con feeling on what happened but another account I read said that there was only one gun among the group. I don’t know why that many people would go deer hunting with only one gun, but it would explain why Vang was able to shoot so many other people without being shot himself. ---
**Author:** ![easy\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@easy\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/easy_e)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/70 "2004-11-24T02:22:55Z")
They probably left their guns back at the cabin. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/71 "2004-11-24T02:47:54Z")
> [@easy e](#): > > A group of engineering students at the UW-Madison worked on developing a sip and puff fishing pole for a quadraplegic. It could both cast and reel in. I heard on NPR about a guy who has set up guns that can be fired remotely. It’s aimed with a CCTV camera and fired by the click of a mouse. IIRC, there is a safety guy at the gun installation to ensure that the button jocky doesn’t shoot at anything he’s not supposed to shoot at. ---
**Author:** ![St.Urho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e7dd6/32.png) [@St.Urho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Urho)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/72 "2004-11-24T05:10:26Z")
> [@E72521](#): > > This one guy killed five other presumably armed men? Don’t throw him in jail, send him to Afghanistan! [Shooting suspect had Army sharpshooting badge](http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthtribune/10258341.htm) Oh yeah, and the fishing pole thing wasn’t just UW. There was an engineering contest- I had friends from UM-Duluth and Michigan Tech that also had entries. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/73 "2004-11-24T06:24:24Z")
> [@E72521](#): > > This one guy killed five other presumably armed men? Don’t throw him in jail, send him to Afghanistan! ``` Actually according to the cops, only one of the others was armed. Even if you belive this psycho's own account, he claims they shot first, but after the guy with the gun went down, he was bound and determined to kill every other person arround. He chased one unarmed fleeing man down so he could shoot him in the back, and when others (also unarmed) arived on an atv he shot them. He also saw another, who he had already shot, stand up (this is still from HIS OWN account), screamed "aren't you dead yet", and shot at him again. The only place we would want this guy in Afganistan is on the other side. We claim to be fighting the bad guys over there this guy has proved he is one of those. ``` ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/74 "2004-11-24T14:20:34Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > I’ve also been hunting my whole life and never seen a painted cow. Good luck proving that absurd claim. According to [Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/critters/mishaps/hunters.asp), it’s an urban legend/staged event: > [@](#): > > The “painted cows” story has made it past fact checkers and into the news on a few occasions. In 1985 Michigan farmer Tom Guthrie became a media celebrity after a photograph showing one of his heifers with the word ‘COW’ spray-painted in orange on its side was ingested without the requisite grain of salt, and the photo was taken by the Detroit News and run under the headline “Truth in Packaging.” From there the picture was picked up by the wire services, leading many readers to believe the labeling of cows to deter hunters was on the up-and-up. Yet the photo had been staged, as Guthrie freely admitted. He was not experiencing problems with errant hunters, nor had any of his livestock been harmed — he’d merely been obliging someone who’d asked for a favor. I’ve also seen references to supposed painting “horse” on a horse, and “not a deer” on a cow. But you know, you can use a larger font just painting “cow”. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/75 "2004-11-24T15:26:01Z")
Lesson learned: Never give a Hmong a gmung. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2004, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/76 "2004-11-24T15:29:12Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Lesson learned: Never give a Hmong a gmung. Especially if he’s a Laosy shot. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/77 "2004-11-26T12:20:54Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > Especially if he’s a Laosy shot. LOL! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2004, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068/78 "2004-11-28T01:02:59Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > From what I’ve read so far, the man supposedly had no ammunition (haven’t read up on it since this morning, so… 😕 on that), but I bet if he did have ammo, he probably would’ve unloaded on the officers. What would stop him? He’s already nuts… He took the remaining ammo he had and threw it in the swamp/field as he was walking out, he said “I’d done enough killing”. He had no ammo because of that. someone else mentioned CWD. It’s in 3 spots or so in Wis, but the vast majority of the state it isn’t in-yet. I suppose this isn’t the best time to bring up the fact that blind people can legally hunt in Wisconsin. [http://dnr.wi.gov/org/caer/cs/disabled.htm](http://dnr.wi.gov/org/caer/cs/disabled.htm) \*Wisconsin law provides for a variety of hunting, fishing and recreational use permits designed to help people with disabilities enjoy the state’s natural resources. The following information is important if you have a permanent or temporary physical disability or if you are legally blind. DNR issues a variety of permits that allow you to: Hunt from a Stationary Vehicle Hunt with a Crossbow Receive a Discount on your Resident Annual Fishing License Fishing while Trolling with an Electric Motor Sponsor or participate in Gun Deer Hunts for People with Disabilities \* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/deer-hunter-kiils-5-other-hunters-to-hold-his-tree-stand/276068.md?page=3)