# Def Leppard drummer Rick Allen, and female bystander, assaulted in Florida **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** music\ **Created:** [March 17, 2023, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273 "2023-03-17T04:10:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/1 "2023-03-17T04:10:30Z")
Rick Allen, the world’s best known one-armed drummer, was attacked outside a hotel and sustained a head injury after he was tackled to the sidewalk, and a female bystander who intervened was also injured. > **[Teen charged in assault on Def Leppard drummer Rick Allen, police say](https://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-charged-assault-def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen/story?id=97927029)** > > Max Hartley is accused of assaulting Rick Allen on Monday while Allen was standing outside of the Four Seasons in Fort Lauderdale Is it just the lighting, or does the suspect appear to have pinpoint pupils? > **[Def Leppard's drummer Rick Allen attacked by 19-year-old: police](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/def-leppards-drummer-rick-allen-attacked-19-year-old-police)** > > Def Leppard drummer Rick Allen was attacked outside of a Florida hotel by a 19-year-old on Monday, according to a police report obtained by Fox News Digital. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/2 "2023-03-17T06:14:25Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Is it just the lighting, or does the suspect appear to have pinpoint pupils? Florida Man strikes again. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/3 "2023-03-17T07:50:52Z")
It requires a lot of cowardice to attack a one armed, 59 year old from behind. I wish Rick all the best and a full recovery. The lady that tried to help deserves a lot of credit. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/4 "2023-03-17T08:15:19Z")
I sent this story to my sister who, in college in the early-mid 90’s, was in a punk band called “Rick Allen’s Arm” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/5 "2023-03-17T11:57:35Z")
That area of town is full of tourists and high end hotels. Back from the water a block or two are lots of 1960s low-rise apartments / condos that turn into weekly AirBnBs during tourist season and now Spring Break\*. There are lots of eatery / drinkery joints from basic burgers-n-beer to _tres snootay_. And plenty of young men fired up on recreational substances and testosterone. Plus some opportunistic street criminals. Muggings are not common, but stuff left lying on the beach or on outdoor tables tends to “disappear” in grab-n-run events. This moron seems to be the former sort. * * * \* What people call “Spring Break” seems to start about Feb 15th and extend until about June 1st. Not every kid over the age of 10 is off school every week, but some schools somewhere are and the hordes of youth are everywhere around here and throughout the Caribbean. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/6 "2023-03-17T12:14:42Z")
I feel story for the bystander, but as far as Allen is concerned, what goes around comes around. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/7 "2023-03-17T12:39:35Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I feel story for the bystander, but as far as Allen is concerned, what goes around comes around. - Maybe the teen was continuing his father’s search and though he had found his man. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/8 "2023-03-17T12:43:09Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Rick Allen, the world’s best known one-armed drummer, was attacked outside a hotel and sustained a head injury after he was tackled to the sidewalk, and a female bystander who intervened was also injured. > > [Teen charged in assault on Def Leppard drummer Rick Allen, police say - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-charged-assault-def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen/story?id=97927029) “Hartley allegedly came up from behind Allen and threw his head to the ground, according to a police report reviewed by ABC News.” Worse, he could have run off with the head and held it for ransom. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/9 "2023-03-17T12:49:39Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Worse, he could have run off with the head and held it for ransom. He’s ‘Arm Fall Off Man’ not ‘Head Fall Off Man’… ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/10 "2023-03-17T13:07:39Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I sent this story to my sister who, in college in the early-mid 90’s, was in a punk band called “Rick Allen’s Arm” A friend of mine once described him with “he lost his arm in an arm accident.” ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/11 "2023-03-17T14:09:37Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > “Hartley allegedly came up from behind Allen and threw his head to the ground, according to a police report reviewed by ABC News.” Nitpick: Under Florida law, Allen was battered. An assault is a threat of imminent violence; battery is an offensive touching. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/12 "2023-03-17T14:38:48Z")
This knucklehead attacker is a teen from Ohio who went to a nice Catholic school (St. Ignatious) and is from a very chi-chi suburb outside of Cleveland (Avon). I noticed on the police report that he’s charged with, among other thing, assault of an elderly or disabled person. I’m sure Allen can hold his own with the best of 'em but it’ll be nice if this kid gets in deeper trouble due to Allen’s disability. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/13 "2023-03-17T15:48:30Z")
I know nothing of Def Leppard. Is he a very, very bad man? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/14 "2023-03-17T16:21:22Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Nitpick: Under Florida law, Allen was battered. An assault is a threat of imminent violence; battery is an offensive touching. Are you really suggesting that “Rick Allen was battered in Florida” would have been a more accurate thread title or newspaper headline? [Assault Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault) This is not a legal brief, and the _technical_ definition of assault vs battery has been pointed out so many times that you’d have to be living in a village in Papua New Guinea not to know it by now. Also… happy cake day! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/15 "2023-03-17T16:43:44Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > I know nothing of Def Leppard. Is he a very, very bad man? He has a history of spousal abuse. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/16 "2023-03-17T16:50:08Z")
Florida also has the offenses of Affray and of Riot. **[Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (state.fl.us)](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0870/Sections/0870.01.html)** This situation was not Affray and, absent a few more people involved, could not be Riot either. But they could have written some great headlines using those words. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/17 "2023-03-17T16:55:01Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > A friend of mine once described him with “he lost his arm in an arm accident.” I can’t believe we’ve got this far in the thread without noting that this was an unprovoked attack on an unarmed man. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/18 "2023-03-17T17:32:46Z")
Back when he had his accident and lost his limb my friends and I joined a card and letter campaign arranged by a local radio station to send him get well messages etc. it was Y100 or WSHE or Zeta4. Can’t recall. But we were really bummed. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/19 "2023-03-17T17:37:22Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I can’t believe we’ve got this far in the thread without noting that this was an unprovoked attack on an unarmed man. More like de-armed, but your point is disarmingly well-presented. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273/20 "2023-03-17T20:22:56Z")
There was also a punk band called “Sandy Duncan’s Glass Eye” (which she didn’t have; she was blind in one eye but that was her real eye). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/def-leppard-drummer-rick-allen-and-female-bystander-assaulted-in-florida/981273.md?page=2)