# Defend a Conservative in Some Way: FOR SHAME **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256 "2019-12-02T00:58:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/41 "2019-12-03T01:51:31Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Okay, I’ve never actually spent longer than 3/4 of a second looking at this Trumplicker’s “art”. But this link has a magnifying glass feature and on the boat is John Bolton. How much does this guy regret having painted Bolton into the scene? From the legend : > [@](#): > > List of figures from left to right: **Nikki Haley, James Mattis, Ben Carson** , President Trump, **Jeff Sessions** , Mike Pence, Melania Trump, Mike Pompeo, **Sarah Sanders** , Ivanka Trump, **John Bolton** , Kellyanne Conway, **John Kelly** All those bolded have since either jumped out or been pushed out of the boat. And Mike Pompeo has been casting hopeful glances at life preservers for a couple weeks now. Only the best people ! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/42 "2019-12-03T02:18:32Z")
I’ll defend a conservative in this way: when every last “conservative” sell out pig is rounded up and put on trial for treason, I will defend their right to a fair and speedy trial. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/43 "2019-12-03T03:20:41Z")
Nah, that’s Wilford Brimley. ---
**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/44 "2019-12-03T04:15:38Z")
Okay, I’ll play: I was pleasantly surprised by Rep. Will Hurd’s integrity during the Mueller hearings. He truly seemed to place country above party. And since then, of course, he has announced his retirement. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/45 "2019-12-03T04:26:16Z")
I’ll support a conservative Republican when they introduce legislation to take suppressors and SBRs off the [NFA](https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act). ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/46 "2019-12-03T14:05:55Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > And what is it with some people, that their pathetic little minds can’t handle a simple idea that not everything the media says about Trump is necessarily true when they are attacking him? But I am quite serious about my OP. Try it. TRY IT, MOTHERFUCKERS, IF YOU DARE!!! You will see very quickly what I’m talking about. But for some reason, I’ll bet none of you lily-livered cowards will have the guts to do so… This thread is all too “meta” for me to guess what nasty libtard lie got your goat up. _Which thing did the media say about Trump that isn’t true?_ ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/47 "2019-12-03T14:25:53Z")
I’ve called out people who were criticizing Trump and conservatives for things that probably didn’t happen or weren’t relevant several times, [particularly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21889679#post21889679) in [the](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21116901#post21116901) SRIOTD [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20950050#post20950050). I’ve also defended conservatives by pointing out that someone accused of doing something stupid wasn’t one. For the most part, nobody has said much about it. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/48 "2019-12-03T14:39:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Been there. Done that. > > When Trump said that he was planning a major infrastructure program, I went on record supporting the program and supporting him for proposing it. > > I was not ignored or attacked. Nobody put words in my mouth or made silly assumptions about me or what I wrote. Yep, I’ve been happy every time Trump mentioned the many upcoming infrastructure weeks. We definitely need to invest in our countries infrastructure. Too bad Trump is as good at presidentin’ as I am at opera singing. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/49 "2019-12-03T16:05:56Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > And what is it with some people, that their pathetic little minds can’t handle a simple idea that not everything the media says about Trump is necessarily true when they are attacking him? But I am quite serious about my OP. Try it. TRY IT, MOTHERFUCKERS, IF YOU DARE!!! You will see very quickly what I’m talking about. But for some reason, I’ll bet none of you lily-livered cowards will have the guts to do so. Wouldn’t want to lose any street cred, now would we? And this is most important: refrain from making such statements as “Let me play devil’s advocate for a moment”, or otherwise making it oh so fucking clear that you of course aren’t really serious about whatever you try to defend. I know this will be difficult, and the idea that someone might think you are a die-hard Trump supporter even for one fucking second is terrifying to you. And now, the really important part: people _most definitely_ will assume this, so do not take my suggestion seriously if you can’t handle it. Trump has been in public life for decades. He lies constantly. His character has been consistent across the years. His habit of lying about everything is the reason people have no reason to believe or trust him. He has no virtues to his character at all. The only good thing one might expect of him at this point is that he will probably make good compost. The truth about him is unpleasant, but it has been consistantly portrayed accurately by the media. Where they have erred is treating him like an amusing buffoon instead of an evil lying traitor. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/50 "2019-12-03T17:08:39Z")
> [@margin](#): > > He has no virtues to his character at all. The only good thing one might expect of him at this point is that he will probably make good compost. He may be full of shit but years of self tanner abuse has made him too toxic to compost or cremate. When the time comes, he’ll need to be disposed of like hazardous waste material. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/51 "2019-12-03T17:14:57Z")
Drop the corpse into the Amazon jungle, and instantly deforest a couple thousand square miles. Agent Orange Ultra. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/52 "2019-12-03T17:36:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Drop the corpse into the Amazon jungle, and instantly deforest a couple thousand square miles. Agent Orange Ultra. Just another example of how Trump is bad for the environment. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/53 "2019-12-03T18:37:36Z")
> [@margin](#): > > He has no virtues to his character at all. The only good thing one might expect of him at this point is that he will probably make good compost. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > He may be full of shit but years of self tanner abuse has made him too toxic to compost or cremate. When the time comes, he’ll need to be disposed of like hazardous waste material. We could ship the body to Russia, and they could embalm him and shove him into the glass box they keep Lenin’s corpse in. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/54 "2019-12-03T19:34:03Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > Here’s a fun idea, though: once in a while, if something occurs to you that might actually criticize a liberal or defend a conservative, post it in a thread like this. See how quickly people ignore what you wrote and start putting words in your mouth and making silly assumptions. I’m not sure what brought this on but if you were saying that Trump didn’t do hold up Ukrainian military aide in order to extract a public announcement that would hurt a political opponent, then you are basically saying that the whole world is lying and Trump is the one telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/55 "2019-12-03T19:41:18Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Are you a newb in NYC , **Fiddle**? Trump has been a corrupt racist adulterer scumbag for decades and nearly all New Yorkers know it. Sure, I can defend some conservatives and condemn some liberals. Not a problem at all. Trump is irredeemable trash, though. There can be no rehabilitation, even if the Dow Jones hits 50,000. Corrupt: No more corrupt than any other real estate developer. So yeah, pretty corrupt. Racist: I don’t know that this was common knowledge in NYC. It wasn’t a really big part of his public persona. He was sort of a limousine liberal in NYC. Adulterer: Well, duh. So were Clinton and JFK. Scumbag: Aside from the corruption, not really sure what you are referring to. AFAICT, liberals didn’t start hating him until about 2000 when Trump saw Bloomberg bypass the Democratic machine pecking order by running as a Republican. It was like a light bulb went off in his head when he realized that he could run as a Republican. A few things could redeem Trump. None of them are likely to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/56 "2019-12-03T20:11:37Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Come on. Do you REALLY think any Repubs in the Senate have the guts to vote guilty for the asshole that’s giving them the Taliban judges of their dreams? Just about any Republican president would be nominating justices off the same list. He holds the distinction of having won an election and being in a good position to win again, maybe. Trump is valuable because he is electable and has coattails. As soon as he loses those things, he is useless to the Republicans. The moment it makes more political sense to turn on trump, they will do so. And he is no more loyal to them than they are to him. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/57 "2019-12-03T20:30:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Racist: I don’t know that this was common knowledge in NYC. It wasn’t a really big part of his public persona. He was sort of a limousine liberal in NYC. Trump and his father were fined for redlining blacks applying to rent apartments in Trump properties in the early 1970s. Trump took out an ad in the NY newspaper talking about executing the [Central Park 5](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/18/nyregion/central-park-five-trump.html) in 1989. Trump pushed the “Obama was born in Kenya” racist bullshit theory for years. Just because _you_ didn’t know, don’t trivialize it by saying it wasn’t common knowledge: [Trump’s racist history started in the 1970’s.](https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history) > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Scumbag: Aside from the corruption, not really sure what you are referring to. AFAICT, liberals didn’t start hating him until about 2000 when Trump saw Bloomberg bypass the Democratic machine pecking order by running as a Republican. It was like a light bulb went off in his head when he realized that he could run as a Republican. More things you don’t know. Watch the documentary, “Get me Roger Stone”. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > A few things could redeem Trump. None of them are likely to happen. Name ONE. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/58 "2019-12-04T03:50:32Z")
Seppuku in the Rose Garden? Settle for that. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/59 "2019-12-04T21:49:27Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > And what is it with some people, that their pathetic little minds can’t handle a simple idea that not everything the media says about Trump is necessarily true when they are attacking him? But I am quite serious about my OP. Try it. TRY IT, MOTHERFUCKERS, IF YOU DARE!!! You will see very quickly what I’m talking about. But for some reason, I’ll bet none of you lily-livered cowards will have the guts to do so. Wouldn’t want to lose any street cred, now would we? And this is most important: refrain from making such statements as “Let me play devil’s advocate for a moment”, or otherwise making it oh so fucking clear that you of course aren’t really serious about whatever you try to defend. I know this will be difficult, and the idea that someone might think you are a die-hard Trump supporter even for one fucking second is terrifying to you. And now, the really important part: people _most definitely_ will assume this, so do not take my suggestion seriously if you can’t handle it. Fuck traitor Trump, and at this point, fuck all his fanboys and defenders TOO. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/60 "2019-12-04T21:51:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Been there. Done that. > > When Trump said that he was planning a major infrastructure program, I went on record supporting the program and supporting him for proposing it. > > I was not ignored or attacked. Nobody put words in my mouth or made silly assumptions about me or what I wrote. But of course, as always, Trump was lying the whole time and never intended to do that or anything else that doesn’t directly benefit HIM. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256.md?page=4)