# Defend a Conservative in Some Way: FOR SHAME

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 2, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256 "2019-12-02T00:58:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\
**Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-a-conservative-in-some-way-for-shame/844256/20 "2019-12-02T12:13:18Z")

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> [@scudsucker](#):
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> Sealioning begins at post 5754
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> [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=882607&page=116](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=882607&page=116)

> [@The Trump Impeachment Inquiry](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/5755):
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> Suppose, just suppose, that after hearing about this, Trump sees a way to actually do something as president, and it’s based on the one thing he measures his worth by: money. He demands a hold be put on the aid until he can look into it, and being the master of the art of the deal, can then decide whether it’s a good idea and makes sense for the U.S.

Ok, let’s suppose this.

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> Only after this does Giuliani come to Trump with his master plan to take down Biden. Trump thinks, why the hell not,

Imma gonna let you finish, but “it’s an abuse of the Office of the President” is why the hell not.

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> and then has his call with Zelensky. He is both truly concerned about a corrupt (in his head) Ukraine maybe getting aid it doesn’t deserve, _and_ now interested in political advantage that can be gained with the whole Biden thing.
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> A key thing here is when did Giuliani go to Trump with the Biden angle? If it was before Trump heard about the aid, then that delivers a huge blow to the above. Ah, but what if it was after?!

Actually, the key thing isn’t when Giuliani invented this idea, or whether he invented this idea, the key thing is whether Trump made millions of dollars of military aid be contingent upon a foreign country taking down his political opponent.

It’s not a hard concept.

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