# Defend white supremacy! I dare you! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 10, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521 "2004-03-10T18:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/81 "2004-03-12T16:19:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Your definitions are not correct. Ethnicity is specific to genetic pools and even cultural talents are written into specific DNA of the Human Genome. CITE?? > [@](#): > > And the Spanish didn’t get over the Rio Grande until 1622, 19 months shy of beating the Pilgrims to North America. St. Augustine dates to 1565, and Ponce de Leon and others were trying to settle the area 50 years earlier. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/82 "2004-03-12T16:24:40Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > …Are you _really_ Stormfront’s best debater? Because if so, it kind of fulfils my preconceived notions about the sort of person who would hold such views. I know, isn’t it wonderful… **Franklin Philly** , I’m still waiting for your definition and proof of genetically linked cultural traits, that are unique to “white” people. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/83 "2004-03-12T16:25:09Z")
**Phranklin Filly** , your babble is giving me a head-ache and really taxing the hamsters. Your poor use of the quote tags and lack of logical debate flow is painful to watch. If you really want to make a point then do so. Quit fuggin around here. ---
**Author:** ![Franklin\_Philly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@Franklin\_Philly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Franklin_Philly)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/84 "2004-03-12T16:26:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > CITE?? > St. Augustine dates to 1565, and Ponce de Leon and others were trying to settle the area 50 years earlier. Hello, The Vikings were there to and so was Jamestown. The Spanish were after gold, not ot settle the land. They wanted to get back to Spain wealthy. There is a big difference between flying around the world on a 747 and picking up chunks of rock at stops, but you can’t lay claim to a land until you SETTLE it. Comprendre? Padre? ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/85 "2004-03-12T16:28:14Z")
As I informed you in another thread, **Franklin** , the words “Black”, “White” or “Yellow” are arbitrary taxons with no anthropological merit. You are arguing a Flat Earth, biologically speaking. And you are now outright contradicting yourself: > [@](#): > > Multiculturalism is not even a word because Culture, by definition is a UNIQUE and DEFINITIVE description of details which pertain to a specific ethnic entity. _cf._ > [@](#): > > And to answer you point about Culture and habits being communicable or transportable across genetic ethnic pools on the surface, the answer is Some elements of Culture can be transferred that way. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/86 "2004-03-12T16:29:45Z")
> [@Franklin Philly](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Failing such measures, I masturbate sobbingly over pictures of Oprah Winfrey > > > > Daniel > > Do you really? Aaand, with that blatant rules violation, you prove that you lied when you said in an earlier thread that you’d follow the rules for this forum. So far, my experience with self-described white supremacists online – that they’re invariably dishonest – remains unbroken. Sad company you keep, fellow. I’m out of this “debate” based on your latest post, and recognize that you’ll soon be, too. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Franklin\_Philly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@Franklin\_Philly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Franklin_Philly)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/87 "2004-03-12T16:30:15Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Well hold on just a minute…_back your shit up with evidence_ not just your own opinion. ] God, do you know what that kind of language does to me? I’m getting hard! I get so Hot! when you talk like that to me! So I made a present for you: [Media3 - Premium Crafted Cloud Solutions](http://pilgrims.net/plymouth/history/) Enjoy ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/88 "2004-03-12T16:30:29Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] Franklin Philly, attempting to make it appear a poster said something s/he did not is against the rules. Do NOT do this again. In fact, considering that I’ve warned you twice now the morning of the day you registered, and the fact that your “debates” are uniformly very poorly done, if you so much as sneeze wrong in the near future I will ban you. I also broke your sig links; we do not allow direct links to hate sites, as I mentioned to your previously. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/89 "2004-03-12T16:31:28Z")
What is “white” culture? And make sure that your definition encompasses all “white” nations, not just the US. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/90 "2004-03-12T16:32:11Z")
Uhhhhh… Franklin Philly… One thing that we are not allowed to do is misquote another poster. Now I may be missing where **LHoD** said the following, but I cannot find it. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Franklin Philly > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Left Hand of Dorkness > > Finally, a word of advice: > > > > Failing such measures, I masturbate sobbingly over pictures of Oprah Winfrey > > > > Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/91 "2004-03-12T16:34:08Z")
> [@](#): > > The Spanish were after gold, not ot settle the land. They wanted to get back to Spain wealthy. What do you think the people in Virginia were doing with the tobacco crops? You’re not wrong, but there was still a permanent settlement. Are the Spanish white, by the way? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/92 "2004-03-12T16:34:29Z")
by **FB** > [@](#): > > Pedro, Mexico is part of Central America How’s Nick doing, Jessica Simpson? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/93 "2004-03-12T16:34:35Z")
Damn, _everybody_ beat me to the punch. ---
**Author:** ![Franklin\_Philly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@Franklin\_Philly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Franklin_Philly)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/94 "2004-03-12T16:36:28Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Aaand, with that blatant rules violation, you prove that you lied when you said in an earlier thread that you’d follow the rules for this forum. So far, my experience with self-described white supremacists online – that they’re invariably dishonest – remains unbroken. > > Sad company you keep, fellow. I’m out of this “debate” based on your latest post, and recognize that you’ll soon be, too. > > Daniel Daniel, you used a word “masturbation” in an off-topic way according to the subject of Debate on this thread. And I’m Jewish. And we Jews have always been Jew Supremacists since Moses said we were the Chosen people. Sorry, but start your own Pro-Daniel club if you need it. Jews (proudly) are the First Supremacist culture on this Planet… and Rightly so because we wrote it down _FIRST!_ ~Your HAPPY HELPER ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/95 "2004-03-12T16:37:55Z")
That’s it? One link confirming an historical fact I already knew? Super. So how about some cites the other two-dozen-or-so extraordinary assertions you’ve made in this thread alone? Opinion does not evidence make; your particular opinion appears to be even lower down that scale. In my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/96 "2004-03-12T16:38:04Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > [Moderator Hat ON] > > Franklin Philly, attempting to make it appear a poster said something s/he did not is against the rules. Do NOT do this again. > [Moderator Hat OFF] Damn, **Gaudere** , you work fast. Thanks! For my part, I’ll hold off on the “report a post” function for awhile – I somehow get the feeling you’re already keeping an eye on this guy’s posts :). Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/97 "2004-03-12T16:38:09Z")
> [@Franklin Philly](#): > > The Spanish were after gold, not ot settle the land. They wanted to get back to Spain wealthy. There is a big difference between flying around the world on a 747 and picking up chunks of rock at stops, but you can’t lay claim to a land until you SETTLE it. Except St. Augustine was settled by the Spanish, with the intention of being a permanent settlement and military base. So that would seem to fit your criteria. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/98 "2004-03-12T16:38:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Daniel, you used a word “masturbation” in an off-topic way according to the subject of Debate on this thread. You’re still not supposed to misquote people. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Jews (proudly) are the First Supremacist culture on this Planet… and Rightly so because we wrote it down FIRST! I’m gonna have to ask for a cite on that, mostly because I know you won’t give one. I’m aware you’re referring to the Bible, I’m talking about proving nobody else had anything saying they were superior prior to that. I find it hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/99 "2004-03-12T16:39:54Z")
> [@Franklin Philly](#): > > The Spanish were after gold, not ot settle the land. They wanted to get back to Spain wealthy. There is a big difference between flying around the world on a 747 and picking up chunks of rock at stops, but you can’t lay claim to a land until you SETTLE it. > > Comprendre? Padre? > [@](#): > > [http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm](http://www.oldcity.com/history-information.cfm) > King Phillip II named Don Pedro Menendez de Aviles, Spain’s most experienced admiral, as governor of Florida, instructing him to explore and **to colonize the territory**. Menendez was also instructed to drive out any pirates or settlers from other nations, should they be found there. > > When Menendez arrived off the coast of Florida, it was August 28, 1565, the Feast Day of St. Augustine. Eleven days later, he and his 600 soldiers \*\*and settlers \*\* came ashore at the site of the Timucuan Indian village of Seloy with banners flying and trumpets sounding. He hastily fortified the fledgling village and named it St. Augustine. > > Utilizing brilliant military maneuvers, Menendez destroyed the French garrison on the St. Johns River and, with the help of a hurricane, also defeated the French fleet. With the coast of Florida firmly in Spanish hands, he then set to work **building the town** , establishing missions to the Indians for the Church, and exploring the land. > > **Thus, St. Augustine was founded forty-two years before the English colony at Jamestown, Virginia** , and fifty-five years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock in Massachusetts - making it the oldest permanent European settlement on the North American continent. So much for your revisionist history, _ **Padre** _. ---
**Author:** ![Franklin\_Philly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@Franklin\_Philly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Franklin_Philly)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521/100 "2004-03-12T16:42:11Z")
> [@Gaudere](#): > > [Moderator Hat ON] > > Franklin Philly, attempting to make it appear a poster said something s/he did not is against the rules. Do NOT do this again. In fact, considering that I’ve warned you twice now the morning of the day you registered, and the fact that your “debates” are uniformly very poorly done, if you so much as sneeze wrong in the near future I will ban you. I also broke your sig links; we do not allow direct links to hate sites, as I mentioned to your previously. > > [Moderator Hat OFF] I always figured the Chief Jew would come out at some point. Thank you for the polite warning. May I correct your Intelligence? The sites you refer to are not hate sites, but love sites, so do try to make a note of it. I know you are terribly busy. I appreciate the censorship- proves that ignorance is still out there and I can shed some light on it. Hugs. ~Have a great Day! …Natalie Merchant is smiling now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defend-white-supremacy-i-dare-you/233521.md?page=6)