# Defenders of a Racist President Use Jews as Human Shields **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352 "2019-07-20T16:02:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/1 "2019-07-20T16:02:55Z")
[NYT opinion piece by Michelle Goldberg](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/19/opinion/trump-ilhan-omar.html) The whole thing is worth a read, but here’s some excerpts. > [@](#): > > As Trump’s racist invective against Ilhan Omar and three other freshman Democratic congresswomen has dominated the news, the president’s defenders have used Jews as human shields, pretending that hatred of the quartet is rooted in abhorrence of anti-Semitism. > [@](#): > > It’s true that Omar has said things that were freighted with anti-Semitism, for which she has expressed regret. But it is grotesque to argue that that excuses racism against her, or that Trump’s taunts have anything to do with protecting Jews. > [@](#): > > What we’re seeing is the absurd but logical endpoint of efforts to conflate anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism, and anti-Zionism with opposition to Israel’s right-wing government. > [@](#): > > It’s an almost incalculable insult for Trump and his enablers to act as if he’s helping the Jews when he adopts the language of the pogrom. We have even seen this shit on this board from a once respected poster. Here is one of many similarly themed comments made by **Scylla**. > [@What "Conservative Values" aren't based on bigotry?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/253): > > Her being a rabid anti-American and anti-Semite who has accused him of being a white Nationalist running concentration camps, is probably the relevant reason behind his ire. But he’ll gleefully distort the truth to spread anti-semitic conspiracy theories about George Soros. > [@Is Soros actually actively trying to change U.S. policy? Or what is the basis of the hatred?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-soros-actually-actively-trying-to-change-u-s-policy-or-what-is-the-basis-of-the-hatred/823682/44): > > I find this pretty odious: > > [https://www.dailywire.com/news/37703/media-tout-jewish-leaders-pittsburgh-telling-trump-ben-shapiro](https://www.dailywire.com/news/37703/media-tout-jewish-leaders-pittsburgh-telling-trump-ben-shapiro) > > One of Soros’ organizations basically impersonated the Pittsburgh Jewish community to blame Trump for for the shooting, and suggest he wasn’t welcome in Pittsburgh. The narrative got picked up by several news sources. > > But they don’t speak for anybody and in fact the head of the Synagogue that got shot up said he would welcome Trump. > > So, this kind of shit. What a piece of trash. We’re not falling for your bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/2 "2019-07-20T16:16:48Z")
I was kinda hoping the time away would give **Scylla** some time to reflect and maybe realize the stuff he sometimes says is idiotic crap. Like trying to blame Democrats for Trump or being more concerned with the minor mistakes made by someone with a D behind their name than the gaping racism, hatred, and idiocy of the current President and the Republican base that supports him. I was also hoping for a pony. I think I may have a shot at the pony thing though. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/3 "2019-07-20T19:23:33Z")
He has certainly developed a penchant for weird black is white down is up style arguments that just deny reality. Here he is denying that we live in a patriarchal society with a bunch of unrelated facts about the differences between men and women. > [@Advice columnist: Trump raped me in a fitting room](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/advice-columnist-trump-raped-me-in-a-fitting-room/836042/303): > > There is no such thing as the patriarchy and no such thing as rape culture. > > Men live on average 7-8? Years Less than women. 95% of prisoners in jail are men. It is overwhelmingly men who work the extreme, dangerous, backbreaking and undesirable jobs like coal mining or working the pipes on oil rigs. When there is war, it is overwhelmingly the men who get sent off to die. Women make and nurture new life, which is the be all and all of human existence. > > The patriarchy is a myth. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/4 "2019-07-20T19:37:04Z")
**Scylla** lost his ddamned mind; I don’t engage with him anymore. At all. Don’t even read his posts. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/5 "2019-07-20T19:49:17Z")
GQ recently published a great article on this subject also, the takeaway of which is that[The Jews Are Tired.](https://www.gq.com/story/anti-semitism-political-shield?fbclid=IwAR1yxBkklrlh4ma9AkrL_3HLIEJBDPgh99BSHsstV0v-dfTxtY_7SndU-a0) Which is absolutely correct. I’ll follow that up with how the conversation about Israel from both the left and the right is [patronizing imperialist bullshit.](https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/287674/how-to-talk-about-israel-and-palestine?fbclid=IwAR08wlmtxzIdRO3dmLz-iVRj1LXjmB4vcgmoTc7lc9WqzMHByQzdITf_9aM) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/6 "2019-07-20T20:29:05Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I’ll follow that up with how the conversation about Israel from both the left and the right is [patronizing imperialist bullshit.](https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/287674/how-to-talk-about-israel-and-palestine?fbclid=IwAR08wlmtxzIdRO3dmLz-iVRj1LXjmB4vcgmoTc7lc9WqzMHByQzdITf_9aM) Amen, amen and a-fucking-men. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/7 "2019-07-20T20:33:08Z")
Did strike me as odd, that in North Carolina a cluster of MAGAts are triggered by their firm aversion to anti-Semitism. As dubious as it is laudable. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/8 "2019-07-20T21:36:21Z")
Some of Omar’s statements on the Israel-Palestine conflict have, undeniably, contained some pretty obvious anti-Semitic dog-whistles. But it’s a bit fucking rich watching MAGA Chuds accuse _anyone_ of bigotry. It’s like, if I’m playing a game and I get caught cheating, I deserve to be called out, but Lance Armstrong better not join in. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/9 "2019-07-20T21:50:54Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > I’ll follow that up with how the conversation about Israel from both the left and the right is [patronizing imperialist bullshit.](https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/287674/how-to-talk-about-israel-and-palestine?fbclid=IwAR08wlmtxzIdRO3dmLz-iVRj1LXjmB4vcgmoTc7lc9WqzMHByQzdITf_9aM) I normally find Tablet either dull or insufferable, but that is a superb piece. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/10 "2019-07-20T22:14:14Z")
I’m hopeful and confident that most of us American Jews recognize that it’s white supremacists and their allies, like Trump and co, who have always been and still are the greatest threat to our existence, and thus there’s no great danger of any significant number of us converting to that side. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/11 "2019-07-21T00:59:27Z")
One can rely on the unity of Jews. They hate to argue, after all. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/12 "2019-07-21T18:29:00Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > GQ recently published a great article on this subject also, the takeaway of which is that[The Jews Are Tired.](https://www.gq.com/story/anti-semitism-political-shield?fbclid=IwAR1yxBkklrlh4ma9AkrL_3HLIEJBDPgh99BSHsstV0v-dfTxtY_7SndU-a0) Which is absolutely correct. > > I’ll follow that up with how the conversation about Israel from both the left and the right is [patronizing imperialist bullshit.](https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/287674/how-to-talk-about-israel-and-palestine?fbclid=IwAR08wlmtxzIdRO3dmLz-iVRj1LXjmB4vcgmoTc7lc9WqzMHByQzdITf_9aM) Seems like an excellent lead-in to [this “Scenes From a Multiverse”](http://amultiverse.com/comic/2019/06/25/the-shiksa/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/13 "2019-07-21T19:09:53Z")
That radical lefty rag _Daily Kos_ reports, by way of _WashPost_, that Il Douche’s minions advised him to shift his attacks to questions of patriotism rather than ethnic origins. To my gimlet eyes, he appears to equate support for Israel policies as roughly parallel to patriotism. > **[Trump continues his attacks on four non-white Democratic congresswomen](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/21/1873373/-Trump-continues-his-attacks-on-four-non-white-Democratic-congresswomen)** > > Donald Trump continues to escalate his attacks on four non-white Democratic congresswomen, mere days after being forced to half-heartedly distance himself from racist "Send her back!" rally chants directed at American Congresswoman Ilhan... > [@](#): > > …The Washington Post reported that Trump’s advisers “wrote new talking points and handed him reams of opposition research” on the four congresswomen, urging him to “pivot” to attack their “patriotism” rather than on their “identity.” Trump’s morning tweet claiming that he doesn’t “believe” they “are capable of loving our Country” appears to be his characteristically dumbed-down, bellowing interpretation of that advice. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/14 "2019-07-21T20:03:36Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Seems like an excellent lead-in to [this “Scenes From a Multiverse”](http://amultiverse.com/comic/2019/06/25/the-shiksa/) That’s brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/15 "2019-07-21T20:21:48Z")
“As an American Jew, I am profoundly outraged by the comments from Ocasio-Cortez.” Hebrew Everyman Stephen Miller speaks out today on Fox News; is mildly reprimanded by Chris Wallace. > **[Chris Wallace Shuts Down Stephen Miller's Lie About Racist 'Send Her Back'...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-wallace-stephen-miller-racist-chant_n_5d347c7de4b0419fd32e5873)** > > The "Fox News Sunday" host also grilled the president's policy adviser about the racist birther conspiracy theory Trump has peddled about Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/16 "2019-07-21T23:27:14Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > “As an American Jew, I am profoundly outraged by the comments from Ocasio-Cortez.” > > Hebrew Everyman Stephen Miller speaks out today on Fox News; is mildly reprimanded by Chris Wallace. > > [Chris Wallace Shuts Down Stephen Miller's Lie About Racist 'Send Her Back' Chants | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-wallace-stephen-miller-racist-chant_n_5d347c7de4b0419fd32e5873) As many times as Miller practiced that in the mirror (half the time with spray-on hair, half without), he still screwed up: it was _Ilhan Omar_, not Ocasio-Cortez, who made the arguably-anti-Semitic remarks. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/17 "2019-07-21T23:40:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As many times as Miller practiced that in the mirror (half the time with spray-on hair, half without), he still screwed up: it was _Ilhan Omar_, not Ocasio-Cortez, who made the arguably-anti-Semitic remarks. I dislike defending assholes spouting bullshit, but the claimed offense was Ocasio-Cortez purportedly calling border detention centers ‘concentration camps’. _That_ is what he claims bothered his delicate sensibilities. So, he’s right in selecting the target of his ire. Just not in much else. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/18 "2019-07-22T02:26:29Z")
Is he losing his hair more? I think he’s losing his hair more. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/19 "2019-07-22T08:56:58Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I dislike defending assholes spouting bullshit, but the claimed offense was Ocasio-Cortez purportedly calling border detention centers ‘concentration camps’. _That_ is what he claims bothered his delicate sensibilities. > > So, he’s right in selecting the target of his ire. Just not in much else. He’s another one who doesn’t understand that “All ‘A’ are ‘B’ but not all ‘B’ are ‘A’”? Those detention centers are concentration camps now, just as the “internment centers” back in the 1940s were. They’re just not death camps. Oh, wait; children have been dying in the detention centers. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/20 "2019-07-22T12:52:01Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I dislike defending assholes spouting bullshit, but the claimed offense was Ocasio-Cortez purportedly calling border detention centers ‘concentration camps’. _That_ is what he claims bothered his delicate sensibilities. > > So, he’s right in selecting the target of his ire. Just not in much else. Just because they’re not German concentration camps doesn’t mean they’re not concentration camps. Moreover, I reject the idea that the descendants of those who survived or perished in the Holocaust automatically get exclusive ownership of its discourse. As historian Tim Snyder put it, the real message that everyone ought to be taking from the experience of the Holocaust is “never again.” What this country’s government is allowing, what it seems to be encouraging, is maltreatment of the most vulnerable people in our society, which is analogous to how much of Europe treated German Jews fleeing Nazi Germany. Nobody’s saying it’s exactly the same thing - it doesn’t have to be. People of all stripe must unite against this kind of barbarity being committed in all our names, and it starts by stripping off the protective bark of bullshit euphemisms. These are concentration camps. Full stop. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352.md?page=2)