# Defenders of a Racist President Use Jews as Human Shields **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352 "2019-07-20T16:02:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/21 "2019-07-22T14:16:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > To my gimlet eyes, he appears to equate support for Israel policies as roughly parallel to patriotism. That’s hardly new. It’s been popular for a long time in some quarters to think of Israel as being _the US territory_ in the region, and for its conduct to be uncriticizable based on \*US \*patriotism, claims that its dangerous situation requires permitting some distastefulness, and playing the good ol’ Holocaust/antisemitism card. Certainly Netanyahu isn’t the first Israeli leader to cultivate that possessive sentiment in the US, either. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/22 "2019-07-22T14:25:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Did strike me as odd, that in North Carolina a cluster of MAGAts are triggered by their firm aversion to anti-Semitism. As dubious as it is laudable. Oh yes, all the synagogues in Greenville emptied out to fill up Pirates stadium. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/23 "2019-07-22T14:45:31Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > He’s another one who doesn’t understand that “All ‘A’ are ‘B’ but not all ‘B’ are ‘A’”? Those detention centers are concentration camps now, just as the “internment centers” back in the 1940s were. They’re just not death camps. Oh, wait; children have been dying in the detention centers. Has “refugee camp” been stricken from the lexicon to accommodate this self serving rhetoric? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/24 "2019-07-22T14:50:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As many times as Miller practiced that in the mirror (half the time with spray-on hair, half without), he still screwed up: it was _Ilhan Omar_, not Ocasio-Cortez, who made the arguably-anti-Semitic remarks. I believe what the racist gollum meant by that was that they all look the same to him. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/25 "2019-07-22T15:08:16Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Has “refugee camp” been stricken from the lexicon to accommodate this self serving rhetoric? People are allowed to leave refugee camps. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/26 "2019-07-22T16:09:40Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Has “refugee camp” been stricken from the lexicon to accommodate this self serving rhetoric? No. Do you have another mode besides asking dumb ass questions mode? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/27 "2019-07-22T16:36:06Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > People are allowed to leave refugee camps. Nevertheless, the fact that the migrants are desperately trying to get to the US, where they know there is a good chance they will be detained in the camps, makes the situation markedly different from concentration camps as popularly conceived. Any examples of other concentration camps where the prisoners are flooding in voluntarily? For now, given the term “refugee camp” and the term “concentration camp”, the most accurate is “refugee camp”. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/28 "2019-07-22T16:54:06Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > … Any examples of other concentration camps where the prisoners are flooding in voluntarily? > … They come to the country voluntarily. We put them in the camps. Any other examples of things you don’t understand the order of? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/29 "2019-07-22T17:48:07Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Any other examples of things you don’t understand the order of? That’s a long list, man. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/30 "2019-07-22T17:53:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > He’s another one who doesn’t understand that “All ‘A’ are ‘B’ but not all ‘B’ are ‘A’”? Apparently. > [@asahi](#): > > Just because they’re not German concentration camps doesn’t mean they’re not concentration camps. Needn’t work to convince me. I just sidled in to say he wasn’t mistaking Ocasio-Cortez for Omar. He’s probably dumb, just not…quite…that…dumb. > [@](#): > > Moreover, I reject the idea that the descendants of those who survived or perished in the Holocaust automatically get exclusive ownership of its discourse. Sure and I believe Miller’s crocodile tears are about as real as Trump’s love for his fellow man. It’s just political grandstanding IMHO. That said I do get how language can get emotive for some folks. I once was witness to a rather heated argument between two biology grad students, one of Jewish descent the other Armenian, over the use of the term ‘Holocaust’. It’s just in this particular case I don’t believe Miller\* any farther than I can throw him. ETA: \*Not **Miller** of course, who is a paragon of forthrightness ;). ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/31 "2019-07-22T18:06:39Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > As historian Tim Snyder put it, the real message that everyone ought to be taking from the experience of the Holocaust is “never again.” . I’d say the message is ‘if that could happen to early 1900’s Germany, it can happen anywhere. And by the time you hit Kristallnacht, it’s probably too late; you need to stop it sooner.’ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/32 "2019-07-22T18:23:41Z")
Unfortunately the concept of just what it is that must never happen again is often too narrow, referring only to the ethnic group making the claim, implying that anyone else is on their own and cannot expect support from them. Genocide and ethnic cleansing, and lesser non-murderous policies and efforts, remain common in much of the world, with far too little effort to stop or prevent it. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/33 "2019-07-22T18:44:15Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > They come to the country voluntarily. We put them in the camps. Any other examples of things you don’t understand the order of? Yes they are completely oblivious to what’s going on. That’s why they need white saviors right? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/34 "2019-07-22T18:44:36Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Apparently. > > Needn’t work to convince me. I just sidled in to say he wasn’t mistaking Ocasio-Cortez for Omar. He’s probably dumb, just not…quite…that…dumb. > > Sure and I believe Miller’s crocodile tears are about as real as Trump’s love for his fellow man. It’s just political grandstanding IMHO. > > That said I do get how language can get emotive for some folks. I once was witness to a rather heated argument between two biology grad students, one of Jewish descent the other Armenian, over the use of the term ‘Holocaust’. > > It’s just in this particular case I don’t believe Miller\* any farther than I can throw him. > > ETA: \*Not **Miller** of course, who is a paragon of forthrightness ;). Fair enough. I also wanted to clarify: I think that Jews do have exclusive ownership over the discourse of the WWII Holocaust, at least as it applies to their experience. What I meant was that they don’t control the discourse if someone refers to a detention center along the border as a concentration camp anymore than a Japanese survivor of internment controls discourse over internment camps. Atrocities are atrocities. Now when people say things like “This is exactly like Auschwitz” or “There’s no difference between the way the US is treating the migrants and the way Germans treated Jewish detainees,” that requires push back. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/35 "2019-07-22T19:35:59Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Nevertheless, the fact that the migrants are desperately trying to get to the US, where they know there is a good chance they will be detained in the camps, makes the situation markedly different from concentration camps as popularly conceived. Any examples of other concentration camps where the prisoners are flooding in voluntarily? > > For now, given the term “refugee camp” and the term “concentration camp”, the most accurate is “refugee camp”. “Nevertheless”. “Nevertheless” Everything you wrote after this is just so much garbage. “Nevertheless”. So you acknowledge that these people are not allowed to leave. But but but “nevertheless” So therefore they are not fucking “refugee camps.” Stick your “nevertheless” up your ass sideways. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/36 "2019-07-22T19:39:35Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes they are completely oblivious to what’s going on. That’s why they need white saviors right? No, they need good, decent people who believe that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. So that leave you out. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/37 "2019-07-23T00:05:28Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I dislike defending assholes spouting bullshit, but the claimed offense was Ocasio-Cortez purportedly calling border detention centers ‘concentration camps’. _That_ is what he claims bothered his delicate sensibilities. > So, he’s right in selecting the target of his ire. Just not in much else. Oh, I see (thanks). > [@QuickSilver](#): > > I believe what the racist gollum meant by that was that they all look the same to him. That can’t be entirely ruled out. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352/38 "2019-07-23T00:14:58Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “Nevertheless”. > > “Nevertheless” > > Everything you wrote after this is just so much garbage. “Nevertheless”. So you acknowledge that these people are not allowed to leave. But but but “nevertheless” > > So therefore they are not fucking “refugee camps.” > > Stick your “nevertheless” up your ass sideways. As I’ve said before, this is why talking to Farnaby is a waste of time. This board has an Ignore list. Just saying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defenders-of-a-racist-president-use-jews-as-human-shields/837352.md?page=1)