# Defiance (new SyFy series/game/something) - any chance this is going to be good? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2012, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368 "2012-10-01T07:46:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/41 "2013-04-18T02:22:04Z")
> [@harmonicamoon](#): > > I love sy-fy, and was hoping this would be good. When they were in the rover, the lead kept jerking the wheel from left to right. It was obvious he wasn’t driving. It ruined it for me. . I saw that and said they same thing, it was like Toonces was driving.:rolleyes:🆒 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/42 "2013-04-18T02:27:55Z")
The protagonist is too Tough Guy, there are too many alien species, and that interbreeding thing they alluded to. But Mrs. Plant (v.3.0) likes it, so we will continue to watch it. Peradventure it shall come to pass that it will get better. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/43 "2013-04-18T02:30:02Z")
> [@harmonicamoon](#): > > When they were in the rover, the lead kept jerking the wheel from left to right. It was obvious he wasn’t driving. And he wasn’t watching the road. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/44 "2013-04-18T13:00:53Z")
Part _Terra Nova_, part _[Outcasts](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcasts_%28TV_series%29)_, part _BSG_ New Caprica, a tiny part _Eureka_ = no originality, complete predictability, no risk-taking. It needs a Whedonesque final polish to make it decent, and that ain’t gonna happen. I’ll give it a chance, but I don’t hold out much hope. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/45 "2013-04-18T14:57:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I saw that and said they same thing, it was like Toonces was driving.:rolleyes:🆒 I’d watch that show. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/46 "2013-04-18T16:20:50Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Wait, _mining_ town?? What are they mining? All we have here is limestone! Or are they “mining” the rubble from human civilization? Judging by the promos for next week, they’re “mining” the rubble of St. Louis. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/47 "2013-04-20T22:35:42Z")
I liked the last scene, reminded me of Fallout. I don’t like the makeup they use for whatever type of alien main guy’s daughter is. She looks bad. Also don’t really care for the goth aliens. Did like those ones like the doctor and the traitorous mayor’s assistant. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/48 "2013-04-21T00:24:32Z")
I, an old broad, went out to lunch with a couple of old broad buddies a week or so ago, and they are sci-fi geeks and were telling me they were looking forward to this. I watched about half an hour of the first episode but thought the main character’s alien daughter looked stupid ugly and star-trekky. (So I switched over to something more in my demographic, like QVC!:p) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/49 "2013-05-15T00:19:03Z")
[It has been renewed for a second season.](http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/syfys-defiance-renewed-for-second-season/) ---
**Author:** ![Noelq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noelq/32/16438_2.png) [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/50 "2013-05-15T00:55:20Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > [It has been renewed for a second season.](http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/syfys-defiance-renewed-for-second-season/) They’ll cancel Alphas, but renew this dreck? Pfaugh. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/51 "2013-05-15T01:05:04Z")
Well, I figured it had at least as much staying power as Terra Nova. Now to see if it can beat Dollhouse. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/52 "2013-05-15T01:23:22Z")
They have too much invested to just cancel it after one season. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/53 "2013-05-15T03:45:52Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > [It has been renewed for a second season.](http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/syfys-defiance-renewed-for-second-season/) Color me surprised. I tried to give the show a chance by watching another episode. Pure dreck, and this is coming from a science fiction fan, and you know we have somewhat of a tolerance for dreck. The daughter looks more like a Star Trek character with each episode. I wouldn’t be surprised if more than a few former makeup artists from TNG and DS9 were now working on Defiance. ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/54 "2013-05-15T16:53:45Z")
With this past episode, you can add “part Firefly” to the list of shows this show borrows from. Still watching though. ---
**Author:** ![Musky\_Moon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@Musky\_Moon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musky_Moon)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/55 "2013-05-15T17:20:39Z")
I actually like it. The story and the characters are coming along nicely. Sure it has it’s problems, but it’s still finding it’s legs. Like every sci-fi show I’ve ever liked, the first season is about slinging shit at the wall to see what sticks. The list of genre shows with wobbly first seasons is a mile long, including TNG, X-Files, Buffy and Farscape. Of course, if you don’t like it you shouldn’t waste valuable time torturing yourself. But, I am willing to see where it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/56 "2013-05-15T17:49:34Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > With this past episode, you can add “part Firefly” to the list of shows this show borrows from. Still watching though. The Firefly influence has been obvious from the first episode. Hell, from the commercials \*before \*the first episode. While there’s a lot I don’t like about the show, there are a few things I like that are enough to keep me watching. Jaime Murray’s character–Datak’s wife–has been a high point as the seemingly gentle and subserviant spouse who is actually more conniving and ruthless than her husband. Unfortunately, she wasn’t in this latest episode. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/57 "2013-05-15T20:00:38Z")
> [@Musky\_Moon](#): > > I actually like it. The story and the characters are coming along nicely. Sure it has it’s problems, but it’s still finding it’s legs. Like every sci-fi show I’ve ever liked, the first season is about slinging shit at the wall to see what sticks. The list of genre shows with wobbly first seasons is a mile long, including TNG, X-Files, Buffy and Farscape. Of course, if you don’t like it you shouldn’t waste valuable time torturing yourself. But, I am willing to see where it goes. It’s quite wobbly, but I agree that it is good and will find its legs. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/58 "2013-05-15T21:14:39Z")
I’ve found it engaging to date. I am surprised to be saying so. If they can find a way to bring out the alienness of the new Earth residents without relying merely on makeup and the odd definining character trait (them red haired aliens sure are impulsive!) I think they might have something. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/59 "2013-05-15T21:17:10Z")
They can’t even be consistent about how damaged the arch is. Does it have some huge gap partway through or is it a full arch with just some rough looking patches so that Marilyn Manson can run a radio station at the top? And why isn’t the arch underground with the rest of St. Louis, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/60 "2013-05-15T21:56:43Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > They can’t even be consistent about how damaged the arch is. Does it have some huge gap partway through or is it a full arch with just some rough looking patches so that Marilyn Manson can run a radio station at the top? That has been consistent, as far as I’ve seen, and I’ve been paying attention whenever they show it. There are places where the “skin” is missing, but the internal framework is still there so that there are no empty gaps. It’s been like that in every episode. Actually in some of the promo posters there does indeed appear to be an empty gap in the arch, which is stupid, but I don’t think it’s ever looked like that in the show itself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368.md?page=4)