# Defiance (new SyFy series/game/something) - any chance this is going to be good? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2012, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368 "2012-10-01T07:46:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/61 "2013-05-16T01:11:32Z")
I don’t like any of the characters, and I don’t like any of the stories. No more _Defiance_ for me. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/62 "2013-05-16T01:22:47Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I don’t like any of the characters, and I don’t like any of the stories. No more _Defiance_ for me. It isn’t boring. Has lots of problems; token Black guy who does nothing save act like a puppy about the daughter. Umpteen alien races; they could have a story line about each one. As someone pointed out, part of St. Louis is buried deeply enough to mine, and the arches are still up. I wonder if McDonald’s paid bribery for that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/63 "2013-05-16T01:39:54Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It isn’t boring. > Has lots of problems; token Black guy who does nothing save act like a puppy about the daughter. Umpteen alien races; they could have a story line about each one. As someone pointed out, part of St. Louis is buried deeply enough to mine, and the arches are still up. I wonder if McDonald’s paid bribery for that. 🙂 The city underground was briefly explained in the first or second episode. It must have been, because I remember something about a quirk of the terraforming causing the city to sink and get formed over rather than destroyed like other cities, and the arch was thrust upward so it’s 1/3 buried or something. I couldn’t have made that up in my own head. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/64 "2013-05-16T02:15:38Z")
The Arch is build on a limestone ridge of sorts, so it’s possible it could’ve stayed elevated while everything around it sank. Of course, most of downtown St. Louis is _also_ on that same limestone, and sinkholes aren’t unknown. > [@Tangent](#): > > That has been consistent, as far as I’ve seen, and I’ve been paying attention whenever they show it. There are places where the “skin” is missing, but the internal framework is still there so that there are no empty gaps. It’s been like that in every episode. There is a really cool movie about the construction of the Arch that you can watch while waiting to go up in the Arch. The people doing art direction for this show should have gone and watched that. ---
**Author:** ![And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/and_his_buzzer_goes/32/377_2.png) [@And\_his\_buzzer\_goes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_his_buzzer_goes)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/65 "2013-05-16T08:49:53Z")
I had my doubts when I saw the simultaneous game launch, still the pilot preview looked good. After the pilot itself though I gave up. It felt as though I had been watching an SF B-movie. All those cliches thrown together, ugh. The final “battle” sealed the deal for me though. ---
**Author:** ![Sister\_Vigilante](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Sister\_Vigilante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sister_Vigilante)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/66 "2013-05-16T18:17:10Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > The Firefly influence has been obvious from the first episode. Hell, from the commercials \*before \*the first episode. > > While there’s a lot I don’t like about the show, there are a few things I like that are enough to keep me watching. Jaime Murray’s character–Datak’s wife–has been a high point as the seemingly gentle and subserviant spouse who is actually more conniving and ruthless than her husband. Unfortunately, she wasn’t in this latest episode. Yes but now they’ve got an actual River Tam clone. I like Datak’s wife too. We call her Lady Macbeth, which I think I got from this site. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/67 "2013-05-17T20:21:50Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > They can’t even be consistent about how damaged the arch is. Does it have some huge gap partway through or is it a full arch with just some rough looking patches so that Marilyn Manson can run a radio station at the top? > > And why isn’t the arch underground with the rest of St. Louis, anyway? Well, **Mahaloth** got that one… > [@Mahaloth](#): > > It’s quite wobbly, but I agree that it is good and will find its legs. It’s a plot device, so it’s nigh-indestructible. Plus, in all the shows, it’s only partially-severed; the only place I’ve seen a flat-out gap is in a drawing on the website. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/68 "2013-05-17T20:35:31Z")
We watched the latest episode last night. They seem to have borrowed from _Stagecoach_ and _Hombre._ Things worked out better for Joshua than they did for John Russell. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/69 "2013-05-18T02:20:38Z")
I just wanted to say that although Julie Benz still has a voice that makes me want to punch kittens, she has matured into one fine-lookin’ woman. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/70 "2013-05-19T02:43:25Z")
Jeesh, there’s no pleasing some of you guys. I like this show and am gald it got renewed. Also, I am in love with albino mom. I’d take a bath with her any day. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/71 "2013-05-19T16:34:19Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > Also, I am in love with albino mom. I’d take a bath with her any day. Well, yeah. But one shouldn’t turn one’s back. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/72 "2013-06-24T20:51:10Z")
My wife and I started watching this OnDemand and we like it enough to keep watching. It isn’t great, but it is entertaining enough in my mind. The production quality certainly isn’t Game of Thrones, but it s better than I expected. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/73 "2013-06-26T00:18:52Z")
Are they just making the story arc up as they go? They take all the trouble to set up the ex-mayor as the big bad, then just kill her off in the b-plot of a wedding episode. Oh and by the way she’s an alien like that astronaut guy was! It’s almost like a bad fanfic someone would’ve written if the show had been canceled and ended with the episode that aired the week before. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368/74 "2013-06-27T15:43:13Z")
Yeah, the writing has been really weak. Especially anything involving the Irathiants. I get embarrassed for the actors in those scenes. The young lovers are really awful, too. When I saw the episode title, I was hoping the groom was going to be killed off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/defiance-new-syfy-series-game-something-any-chance-this-is-going-to-be-good/636368.md?page=3)