Steven
I did not write that artical! I pushed the wrong button
trying to reply.I'm new here,I do not agree with it,and
it pains me to have people think it was mine.
FrankoJust read the decision, and I must say I found the following line rather amusing:
Was it just me, or did several portions of that decision fair brim with judicial irritation and indignance at the ridiculous nature of Moore’s counsel’s position? The author sounds to me like an exasperated parent explaining to a child for the umpteenth time why he’s not allowed to have candy before dinner.
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Originally posted by GodlessSkeptic
The number ten in nowhere mentioned in regards to the commandments.
From the KJV:
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
To update the story at hand, Fox News is reporting that Judge Moore is going to be suspended as Chief Justice.
Unfortunately, there’s no link at this time.
Yeah, for a whole 10 days.
Ahh…so it does!I somehow managed to read through Exodus three times in it’s entirety and not see that.My next question would be WHY does God seem to think these commandments number only TEN?!?According to the accounts he himself lists thirteen seperate commanmenmts within the 17 relevant verses and there are a number of other commandments listed within Deuteronomy that could just as easily be included within “The” comandments!
Your contention, if it became the prevailing view, would essentially force the Courts to rewrite the First Amendment to say “…respecting an Establishment of A religion” instead of simply saying “respecting an establishment of religion” like the way it was actually written.
Max, it appears that the suspension (with pay) was an automatic one when a complaint is made before the judicial ethics committee - kinda like a cop being placed on desk duty while a shooting is investigated. The judicial ethics committee still has to hold hearing and rule, and they may well impose heavier sanctions.
Sua
If all the "thou shalt"s and the "thou shalt not"s in the OT are counted up, there are actually 613 commandments–248 "thou shalt"s, and 365 "thou shalt not"s. So in addition to the Old Testament god being unjust, jealous, vengeful, capricious, he was also a petty tyrant, laying down useless laws that contained gross scientific errors, e.g., a bat being a bird, a rabbit chewing the cud.
Not quite. The Judicial Inquiry Commission first has to decide a reasonable basis exists to charge a judge with an ethics violation or other misconduct. That seems roughly equivalent to a grand jury indictment. It clearly takes more than somebody filing a complaint to get a judge suspended.
It’s the Court of the Judiciary, actually. They have the power to remove from office, suspend, or censure a judge found to have violated the rules of judicial ethics or committed other misconduct.
Stop assuming that all Christians or all religious people are on your side.
I am Christian. I detest this monument’s existence and Moore’s actions and support the actions of the Federal Judiciary.
No government institution has any place adding a monument that is solely religious in nature to its edifice like Moore did to his courthouse. That building belongs to all Alabamans – including Hindus, Muslims, atheists and others.
You cannot put a monument that honors one religion, because that is in turn a smack at the beliefs of anyone else who must appear before that court. It is, in effect, saying that Christians are real Americans, all others need not apply.
I doubt that you would be so supportive if Moore had put up a giant statue of Mohammed authoring the Sharia.
Totally different. That’s individual speech.
A person burning a flag is engaging in individual, free speech.
A governmental official placing a monument to Christianity in a government building is not.
How can the religious zealots be so stupid that they can’t see the difference here?
I support the display of the Ten Commandments – by persons on their own property. Not in government buildings that are for ALL the people – not just for the Christians.
How would you fundies feel if you were accused of a heinous crime, were dragged kicking and praying before a judge who was known for espousing “strong atheist” views adn who had a plaque on the wall behind him which contained some strong atheist sentiment or the other and who had erected a statue of Madeline Murray O’hare in the front of the courthouse.
You would not feel a little uneasy?Because I would be absolutely terrified to appear before Judge Moore, to the point that I would probably cop a plea even if I were totally innocent of the crime I was accused of.
THAT is why we have SOCAS.THAT is why officials speaking or acting in an OFFICIAL capacity cannot endorse one religion over another any more than they are allowed to endorse one race over another.
That raises a good point GS. Does this event make Judge Moore unable to render an impartial verdict in cases involving non-Christians? If I was an athiest convicted in his court, I would certainly appeal on those grounds. I would argue that the monument creates a hostile environment, and the judge’s avowed belief that the law is based on the ten commandments makes an impartial judgement in his court impossible. Can any lawyers address the likelyhood of winning such an appeal?
You are being intentionally dishonest. The specific “ten commandments” referred to in that case are NOT the “Ten Commandments” that appear on that Alabama decoration item.
Here’s how I parse them:
I
Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst.
II
But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images (for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God), lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they play the harlot with their gods and make sacrifice to their gods, and one of them invites you and you eat of his sacrifice, and you take of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters play the harlot with their gods and make your sons play the harlot with their gods.
III
"You shall make no molded gods for yourselves.
IV
"The Feast of Unleavened Bread you shall keep. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, in the appointed time of the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt.
V
"All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. "And none shall appear before Me empty-handed.
VI
"Six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; in plowing time and in harvest you shall rest.
VII
"And you shall observe the Feast of Weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the year’s end. "Three times in the year all your men shall appear before the Lord, the LORD God of Israel. For I will cast out the nations before you and enlarge your borders; neither will any man covet your land when you go up to appear before the LORD your God three times in the year.
VIII
"You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leaven, nor shall the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover be left until morning.
IX
"The first of the firstfruits of your land you shall bring to the house of the LORD your God.
X
You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk."
Or, in modern mouth-noise:
I
Do not make treaties with foreigners.
II
In addition, destroy their religious establishments.
III
Do not make idols.
IV
Keep the Feast of Unleavened bread in the month of Abib.
V
You must pay a blood price for all firstborn male animals and people in your household. Nobody is exempt.
VI
You must refrain from labor on the seventh day.
VII
The three feasts (of Weeks, of Ingathering, and Year’s End) must be observed.
VIII
The following sacrificial abuses are prohibited: Offering blood with leaven, leaving leftovers in the Feast of Passover.
IX
First of the firstfruits are a mandatory sacrifice.
X
Do not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.
It’s remarkably stream-of-consciousness.
I can’t boil a young goat in its mother’s milk? Shit, now I gotta order a pizza or something.
I’m being dishonest?? The only commandments mentioned in the Old Testament as being THE ten commandments are those listed in Exodus 34:1-28. The ones posted on the monument are NOT called the ten commandments in the OT. So I guess that pointing out a fact is an unacceptable thing to do in a discussion.
Note that this is the number of days in a year, and the number of human bones thought to be in the body at the time. Which means that someone decided that there had to be a certain number of commandments before they even knew what they would all be. It’s possible to be a little TOO into numerology, sheesh.
G’ O"Reily:
I think they all thought you were claiming that this reference to the TC WAS refferring to the monument’s version. GS said they appeared nowhere in regards to THE TC (meaning the ones Moore is displaying) but I think you interpreted him to be saying that it appears nowhere in the OT at all (which he wasn’t, and which isn’t true).