Are you kidding? We are taking it easy on Blonde! You should see us when we get rough!
Besides, an OP that’s emotional is one thing, but when a poster ignores two pages of rational and well-reasoned thought to cling to that initial emotional reaction… well, there comes a point where they need to get a rhetorical slap upside the head. The point of this board is, after all, the promotion of “clear thinking.”
Disclaimers first (and I gotta bunch of them on this one).
I haven’t followed this case closely at all.
IAAL, but not in Texas.
In 18 years of practice, I’ve been in a criminal courtroom precisely once, and that was to quash a bizarre subpoena sent to a client by a criminal defendant(and he was nuts). My knowledge of Crim. Pro. is based pretty much solely on a class 20 years ago.
Different jurisdictions have different legal standards for insanity.
What the prosecutor may have been doing here relates to the difference between the legal and medical definitions of insanity. The word insanity has no medical meaning. All of the psychiatric experts may have agreed that the defendant was psychotic/heard voices/was mentally ill. But that doesn’t mean that she, legally, was insane and not responsible for her actions. The prosecutor may have been saying “Sure, she heard voices and suffered from religious delusions, but that doesn’t mean that she didn’t know that (a) she was killing someone; and (b) that killing someone was against the law.”
The other thing that strikes me is whether a father/defendant would have even the slightest chance of the same result. I think there’s a general predisposition for people to decide that any mother who kills her kids must be insane.
Disclaimer: being from TX, I may have overstepped my bounds as to the er, punishment. But, I am appalled at how many posters are feeling so sorry for her (sob). It concerns me that the victims in this case are receiving far less sympathy.
Miller, my initial emotional reaction still holds. But, I do appreciate you taking it easy on me! 'Cause that would be the first time, cowboy.
Either you are not reading the entire thread or you are choosing to ignore the rest of us.
Being new to the board, it has come to my attention that when we want to vent the pit is the place to be. Blonde started her thread here for the sole purpose of letting her outrage be felt by the members. So, if someone wants to go to the pit and say “fry the bitch,” don’t take it so literally. Bottom line–two children are dead and another in serious condition.
After a couple of hours of fun and games earlier with Blonde, I have joined her side.
we already have evidence that you didn’t really listen during your Psych classes in college. We now have evidence that you didn’t listen back in grade school during reading comprehension classes. Just because you have a total lack of compassion for some one who is suffering the effects of mental illlness, doesn’t mean that the rest of us have lacked compassion for the children’s deaths. Since it seems to me, that the rest of us have been, well, rather gentle in our expressions to you, yet you contiue to ascribe positions to us w/out any recognition of our actual posting, why on earth should we continue to keep our kid gloves on?
Once again, you claim that you have some awareness psychology, you choose to ignore the several actual experts in the field who examined the woman, (not simply read some fucking news story, with all of their accumulated knowledge assimilated during their ‘minor’ studies during collegiate life), who agreed that she was legally insane, you’ve decided that despite the evidence that convinced twelve jurors, despite all of us posting how we acknowledge the tragedy of the d2qeaths of the children, you absolutely know better 'cause you, personally, are a mom and you are the true arbitrator of this situation.
YOu don’t know me, I, too, am a mother. And I say, a hearty “Fuck you” to the ends of the earth for accusing those of use who acknowledge the **entire ** tragedy, of somehow being less horrified as to the deaths of the children. YOu’re accusing people and ascribing motives to them w/o substance. Do NOT suggest that I, or anyone else is lacking in sympathy to the children. YOu lack compassion- your lack of compassion for the rest of the victims here, does not constitue a lack of compassion on our parts.
RE; mothers who’ve killed - I personally worked w/more than one mother who’d been responsible for the death of their children. THey served time in both cases, in both cases, to the best of my knowledge, they’ve not returned to any criminal behavior.
In addition, some 20 years ago, a woman w/a name similar to mine killer her newborn son while in the gripes of a severe case of post partum pyschosis, lied intially about the circumstances about the child’s death, sitaution was investigated, she recieved mental health assistance vs. prison time. She’s not been noted again. This was 20 years ago, I recalled the case because not only was her name similar to mine, but the child was only a few months older than my only child, and had the same name. There was exactly ONE letter difference between the two boys’ names. So, don’t lecture to me about having heightened feelings due to a link to the age of the kids. At the time, I grieved not only for her son, but for her, and felt extremely lucky that I’d been mentally healthier.
At least I can read and understand Blondes posts. What the fuck is this dribble?
Blaster, Blonde has given us every reason to take her post literally. You might find some of her other posts of interest.
She will be placed in a hospital. If there is ever a time when she is no longer ill, they cannot keep her. She has not been convicted of a crime. She is there to be helped, not to be punished. (That doesn’t mean that she will ever be released, however. It is possible that she can never recover.
A member of my family (married to a cousin as long as I can remember) has always been one of my favorite people. She was lovely and utterly charming. All of us younger girls wanted to be just like her.
Her children were both bright and fun to be around. The girl had a quiet dark beauty and impeccable manners. The boy was a curly-headed blue-eyed blood who was always laughing. He taught me to play chess when he was eight.
That was the summer that they came to live nearby with their grandparents. I was in early adolescence and never questioned why they were there. I just relished their company.
I was over the age of 50 before I found out that their mother, one of the most gracious women I’ve ever known, had become so mentally disturbed that she was a danger to the children. It is very hard for me to even imagine it. She lived far enough away that I saw her only a couple of times a year and this was a side of her that I had never seen.
She did recover, the children returned home and the cousins never knew the difference until we were all middle-aged. I doubt if the children ever knew. Those children grew up to be mentally strong and healthy. (She was a good mother to them.) Both have their doctorates, happy marriages and children of their own.)
Wring - yep, um, ok.
Let’s consider this thread closed, shall we?
Similarly, I am apalled at your utter lack of sympathy for one of the victims in this case. It concerns me that you could have studied psychology formally and still be so callous and bloodyminded towards the mentally ill.
Enjoy it while it lasts, 'cause it’s just about run its course. Cowgirl.
For some reason, people never seem to get that the Pit, too, is a debate forum. If you “just want to vent,” then you should get a diary. This is a public forum. Don’t post here unless you’re prepared for the public to respond. And don’t expect the public to respond the way you want 'em to.
what, after telling us that we’re immune to the tragedy of the children’s deaths you don’t like to be called on the carpet for your own shortcomings?
Uh…do you want wring to apologize for writing a post that is beyond your reading comprehension skills?
If you can’t understand what that post said either go back to grade school or go back to your simple fun and games with your girlfriend. Don’t blame any of us for her lack of comprehension. :rolleyes:
Point taken. I was under the impression they could still hold her after she became legally sane.
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But what if one of your own children became so delusional that she or he killed a child “for the glory of God.” Would you want your child put to death or would you want your child’s illness treated and mind made whole again?
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Blonde - Unless I missed it, I didn’t see your answer to this question. If one of your children suffered from mental illness and committed a horrendous act while delusional, do you believe they should be put to death or would you rather they be treated? Which is it?
I am a mother of three kids and I am appalled and saddened by the murder of these kids, however, I am just as appalled at your bloodlust. I find your lack of understanding and compassion for the mentally disabled repulsive. Originally, I believed that you were either lying about the Psych minor or you blew your way through the course (IYKWIM, wink wink), but reading this thread I can see that you lack quite a bit of comprehension skills. I don’t think you understood your textbooks.
let me see if I can reword it so you can understand:
“dude, you dissed us. an’ we dint even, like deserve it, man. an you know that other stuff? like you said? well, that’s not even, like, true, man. and it’s like sooooo not kewl, you dissin’ us for like not caring, 'cause, like, we care. dude.”
did that help?
What wring said, both times. And the word is “drivel,” not “dribble.” The latter is what you’re doing on your keyboard right now.
Cute, but it still doesn’t excuse the atrocious spelling and grammar in the post I spoke of. I noticed that you wrote a lot better earlier in the day, so I’m guessing that you suffer from some affliction that progresses with the evening.
Check out the first definition for drivel please. I believe it is dribble. 
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=drivel&x=18&y=14
As opposed to you and Blonde, who seem to have a reading comprehension problem ALL the time? Uh…ok.
BTW, nice try to deflect attention away from you and your girlfriend’s reading comprehension problems by pointing out minor spelling and grammar errors.
Here’s another straw for you to grasp at.