# Delay in prosecution of Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 15, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708 "2021-09-15T17:47:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/101 "2021-09-23T18:44:12Z")
It looks like at least one lawyer agrees with me regarding USC18 2383 and USC18 2384. Some of the stuff that’s come out this week seems pretty damning. > **[The Failed Game Plan for Overthrowing the 2020 Vote](https://www.thebulwark.com/the-failed-game-plan-for-overthrowing-the-2020-vote/)** > > The basis of John Eastman’s memo: Get Pence to lie, then count on the GOP to be Trump trucklers. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/102 "2021-09-23T19:06:50Z")
It sure is. I hope/want to believe that Garland is conducting an ongoing federal investigation into all this. If he isn’t, this kind of slam-dunk evidence is going to make it awfully hard for him to avoid doing it – no matter how much he’d prefer to avoid the inevitable screeching about political witch hunts from the unhinged Trumpists. The memo is clear, unambiguous evidence of intent, as well as foreknowledge that what they were doing was illegal. It should be noted that The Bulwark was started/is run by Charlie Sykes, a well-known and once-staunch Republican back in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/103 "2021-09-23T20:02:26Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It looks like at least one lawyer agrees with me regarding USC18 2383 and USC18 2384. > > Some of the stuff that’s come out this week seems pretty damning. > > [The Failed Game Plan for Overthrowing the 2020 Vote - The Bulwark](https://www.thebulwark.com/the-failed-game-plan-for-overthrowing-the-2020-vote/) While it is quite obvious now that this should be prosecuted, it is not obvious it would not have worked in real life (or appeared to and not have been overturned by judicial review) at the time. It is far from certain it will not be tried again and that it will not be successful then. Will it not be ironic if T\*\*\*p’s greatest and most consistent sycophant and enabler, Mike Pence, becomes a hero of (large scale) democracy in the future? Perhaps history will focus on Pence’s refusal to go along as a Mount Rushmore like event in our nation’s development. Perhaps once Eastman is convicted and the former guy is further disenfranchised (I have all but given up on seeing him held accountable-- I will settle for further humiliated, disgraced, and forgotten), Pence will re-emerge as a Republican you can trust, a Republican with moral fiber, the new Republican Party leader!! Pence with help from Dan Effin Quail save Liberal Democracy in the modern era? It is like a buddy movie written for (the modern equivalent of) Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone as a last ditch- everything on the line hero epic being cast with (the modern equivalent of) Rick Moranis and Martin Short! The only suspense is waiting to see if Quail will be played by Ed Grimly or Dark Helmet. ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/104 "2021-09-23T20:03:23Z")
There has been no delay because _THERE IS NO EVIDENCE_, and there never has been any evidence! > **[Obama’s top brass contradict public statements about ‘collusion’ under oath](https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/obamas-top-brass-contradict-statements-about-collusion-under-oath/)** > > Newly released House Intelligence Committee transcripts show just how different a picture some top Obama-era officials painted of the Trump-Russia investigation under oath versus the loaded allegat… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/105 "2021-09-23T20:09:09Z")
There was a metric boatload of evidence. However, there was also a toady AG, and a blindly partisan Senate. ETA: And yes, there are other things that Trump may be prosecuted for beyond that which he was impeached (twice) for. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/106 "2021-09-23T20:13:19Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > There has been no delay because _THERE IS NO EVIDENCE_, and there never has been any evidence! > > [Obama's top brass contradict statements about 'collusion' under oath](https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/obamas-top-brass-contradict-statements-about-collusion-under-oath/) I would recommend using better citations. The NY Post is known not to be credible. ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/107 "2021-09-23T20:18:03Z")
> [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > T\*\*\*p’s greatest and most consistent sycophant and enabler You people seriously believe that? Pence has turned out to be a scandalous traitor to all of us, and even to you whether you realize it or not. Some enabler! He refused to delay Senate confirmation of the 2020 election for just ten days so that the state legislatures could conduct audits and consider decertifying their votes if they found discrepancies–all totally within the law and really we should all expect it for a really close election–ESPECIALLY if y’all think Russia is and has been interfering in our elections. But it seems you only have a problem with that when your guy loses, and ESPECIALLY when the rest of us think CHINA is interfering and changed votes to give Biden the win. Y’all are going to feel pretty silly when this is all finally exposed and the criminals and traitors begin to sing like canaries to clamor for a deal in exchange for what they know. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/108 "2021-09-23T20:18:25Z")
Oh, there’s evidence… It’s just that at least some of it was complete bullshit concocted by the Hillary Clinton campaign. > **[Grand Jury Indicts D.C. Attorney with Making False Statements to the FBI in...](https://www.justice.gov/sco/pr/grand-jury-indicts-dc-attorney-making-false-statements-fbi-2016-regarding-alleged)** > > Special Counsel John Durham today announced that a federal grand jury returned an indictment in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia charging Michael A. Sussmann, 57, a Washington, D.C.-based attorney, with making a false statement to... So the Steele Dossier was fake, the Alfa Bank story was fake, and all of it was ginned up and paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Perhaps any ‘delays in prosecution’ have more to do with people waiting to see what shoe will drop next, and now hoping the whole sordid mess just goes away. ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/109 "2021-09-23T20:20:18Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It’s just that at least some of it was complete bullshit concocted by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Hide and watch. This is just the beginning of the end of this coup that was been attempted since 2015 and was completed in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/110 "2021-09-23T20:20:19Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > Y’all are going to feel pretty silly when this is all finally exposed and the criminals and traitors begin to sing like canaries to clamor for a deal in exchange for what they know. That is okay, I often feel silly. You are going to be fun to watch on these boards!! Welcome to the Straight Dope! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/111 "2021-09-23T20:21:44Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > He refused to delay Senate confirmation of the 2020 election for just ten days so that the state legislatures could conduct audits andi no consider decertifying their votes if they found discrepancies Yeah, just ten days. Has Arizona had ten days yet? All states had certified their results. No justification existed for any delay. ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/112 "2021-09-23T20:24:40Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > The NY Post is known not to be credible. Wait–and the lying-about-being-in-a-helicopter-brought-down-by-enemy-fire-Brian-Williams IS credible? The caught at least twice now doctoring 911 recordings NBC IS credible? The foisting-forged-documents-to-influence-the-2004-election CBS IS credible? We live in an upside down world where the truth is called lies and lies are called the truth, depending what letter you choose to put after your name. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/113 "2021-09-23T20:26:02Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > No justification existed for any delay. The justification was that the person who gave away top secrets to our Number One adversary (gee, I wish there was a name for that) lost the election. Since The Messiah can never lose, that justifies any length delay. ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/114 "2021-09-23T20:26:07Z")
I’m done with this. Y’all are brainwashed and there ain’t no educatin’ none of yas. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/115 "2021-09-23T20:26:58Z")
What an ironic post. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/116 "2021-09-23T20:27:21Z")
The “shoot someone on 5th ave” thing is true. There’s no way Trump ever sets foot in a jail cell. The smarter move is just to have him fade away. And he has faded, slowly. Go after him and you’re gonna have hoards of re-energized people. It would probably help him to be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/117 "2021-09-23T20:33:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What an ironic post. In another thread someone ( **Whack-a-Mole**?) posted this link. Not wanting to put anymore wind in that guy’s sails, I chose to quote your reply to him. > **[Poe's Law](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law)** > > Poe's Law states:\[1\] ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/118 "2021-09-23T20:42:44Z")
> [@dolfinwriter](#): > > …and ESPECIALLY when the rest of us think CHINA is interfering and changed votes to give Biden the win. Speaking of evidence… Whaddya got? ---
**Author:** ![dolfinwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@dolfinwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolfinwriter)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/119 "2021-09-23T21:13:55Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Speaking of evidence… > Whaddya got? Like I said, I’m done here. Your minds are made up and are not to be confused by facts that disagree with your programming. You are going to disbelieve anything I have to say, or say that any source I cite is “not credible” (which is truly hilarious considering where most of you get your information). I don’t have time for this, so I will end this with simply, hide and watch. All will be revealed. Many will continue to deny despite the evidence that is going to smack them right upside their heads, and many will continue to deny even as they are being handcuffed and taken to jail and tried for treason. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/121 "2021-09-23T21:16:15Z")
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