# DeLay indicted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877 "2005-09-28T16:51:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/61 "2005-09-28T22:34:38Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > …On the other hand, I betcha elucidator is happy right now. Haven’t laughed so hard since they shot Ol’ Yeller. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/62 "2005-09-28T22:48:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Haven’t laughed so hard since they shot Ol’ Yeller. I was wondering when you were going to show up. Figured you were down at the tavern buying rounds to celebrate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_F](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/43a26b/32.png) [@John\_F](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_F)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/63 "2005-09-28T22:50:45Z")
Gun jumpers… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/64 "2005-09-28T22:53:41Z")
> [@John F](#): > > Gun jumpers… 😃 I know, I know, it’s early in the process, and it could take a long time before a verdict is handed down. And the partisan chickens could easily come home to roost if he’s exonerated. But until then, let’s enjoy his political castration for as long as it lasts. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/65 "2005-09-28T22:58:50Z")
Interesting to see how Fox News & etc cover this. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/66 "2005-09-28T23:08:34Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Interesting to see how Fox News & etc cover this. Thoughts? As you might expect, the main story today is [heavily slanted toward the indictment being partisan politics.](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170681,00.html) Any suggestion otherwise is buried in the last few paragraphs of the story. Even then it’s presented in the context of Democrats hounding DeLay. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/67 "2005-09-28T23:40:38Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I was wondering when you were going to show up. Figured you were down at the tavern buying rounds to celebrate. 'Bout the closest thing to a tavern nearabouts is a Brannigans, a Champps and some other God-forsaken yuppie fern bar. If I ever need to drink that bad, I’ll quit. Second off, _buy_ rounds? That’s “Second Coming” level celebration. But there is a package store not far away, and I got my cronies at the SDMB to snicker with, so it all works… Just pounded a bump and told **Eddy** and **Guinn** a couple of Aggie jokes… Thing is, it isn’t that important whether the indictment goes or doesn’t. DeLay (R-Undead) has got away with _murder_ for years. At least part of that is the result of Texas political culture that tends to wink at political corruption with a “good ol’ boys will be boys” attitude. The most important thing that can happen is attention and sunshine, the most marvelous of disinfectant. I know I’ve raved and snorted about this before, but the influence of Texas on American politics is wildly out of proportion. Texas is warm home for some of the most extreme tighty-rightys, the kind of folks who make honest Republicans cringe. Remember Upton Sinclair? “Two things no civilized person should ever be forced to witness: what really goes into sausage, and how a Texas politician makes his daily bread.” Oh, almost forgot! What’s an Aggie seven course dinner? Six pack of Pearl and a road kill possum. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2005, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/68 "2005-09-28T23:50:51Z")
I hope they hang DeLay by his balls, just like they did Nancy Pelosi. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/69 "2005-09-29T00:29:20Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > I hope they hang DeLay by his balls, just like they did Nancy Pelosi. :: splort :: Trying to picture that exploded my Imagino-Scope. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/70 "2005-09-29T00:29:46Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > As you might expect, the main story today is [heavily slanted toward the indictment being partisan politics.](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170681,00.html) Any suggestion otherwise is buried in the last few paragraphs of the story. Even then it’s presented in the context of Democrats hounding DeLay. I watched Brit Hume and Chris Matthews (immediately after) and Chris reported it pretty much the same way. This does look like partisan Texas politics, and the guest that Chris interviewed mostly concurred. Anyone want to bet on a conviction? I’ll take all comers that he isn’t convicted. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/71 "2005-09-29T00:56:40Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Were you indicted based on the outcome of the investigation? From the post I was replying to I was under the impression that Bill Frist was under investigation, not indicted. It’s Tom DeLay that is indicted and it’s not for insider trading… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/72 "2005-09-29T01:13:46Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > …Anyone want to bet on a conviction? I’ll take all comers that he isn’t convicted. I’ll bet with you, I’m a pessimist as well. Tom DeLay couldn’t be _convicted_ (and I emphasize convicted) if he dragged out your Granny and impaled her on the 50 yard line, half-time at the TX-OK game. That is a fact. I have no gauzy illusions otherwise. I rejoice with the righteous, that sunlight falls upon Christopher Lee, and verily, his hand shriveleth… Hallelujuah, brothers and sisters, pals and gals. Some times the good guys win, or at least the bad guys fuck up. If you’re too smart for faith, hope will have to do. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/73 "2005-09-29T02:12:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’ll bet with you, I’m a pessimist as well. > > Tom DeLay couldn’t be _convicted_ (and I emphasize convicted) if he dragged out your Granny and impaled her on the 50 yard line, half-time at the TX-OK game. > > That is a fact. I have no gauzy illusions otherwise. > > I rejoice with the righteous, that sunlight falls upon Christopher Lee, and verily, his hand shriveleth… Hallelujuah, brothers and sisters, pals and gals. Some times the good guys win, or at least the bad guys fuck up. > > If you’re too smart for faith, hope will have to do. He’s a masterful politician in a politician’s world. He didn’t create the rules, he just exploited them. I don’t particularly like the guy or his politics, but if you can’t stand the heat, get out of Congress-- it ain’t for the faint of heart. The Dems are doing today pretty much what the Pubs did back in the early 90s. It’s a great strategy for the minority party, and it just might work. The Pubs are practically handing the reigns of power back to the Dems the way they’re mucking things up. The pendulum just might be swinging… ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/74 "2005-09-29T02:13:36Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Ooooh…the schaeden is strong in this thread! I’m drooling, can’t you tell? You’ll come for the schaeden, you’ll stay for the freude. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/75 "2005-09-29T02:19:19Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > He’s a masterful politician in a politician’s world. He didn’t create the rules, he just exploited them. I don’t particularly like the guy or his politics, but if you can’t stand the heat, get out of Congress-- it ain’t for the faint of heart. The Dems are doing today pretty much what the Pubs did back in the early 90s. It’s a great strategy for the minority party, and it just might work. The Pubs are practically handing the reigns of power back to the Dems the way they’re mucking things up. The pendulum just might be swinging… I think it’s great. I’ll have a whole NEW bunch of people to bitch about!!! Yippeeee! 😃😃😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/76 "2005-09-29T02:29:29Z")
They had Coulter on to comment. What did she say? I don’t know, I don’t listen to her. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/77 "2005-09-29T02:57:56Z")
Damn, I just tuned into _The Daily Show_ and so far, nothing-they’re too busy snarking on Michael Brown. Of course, maybe he said something in his opening remarks? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/78 "2005-09-29T03:00:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Damn, I just tuned into _The Daily Show_ and so far, nothing-they’re too busy snarking on Michael Brown. > > Of course, maybe he said something in his opening remarks? In his opening he comment and promised a detailed attack tomorrow. It was funny. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/79 "2005-09-29T03:15:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Mr. DeLAY. Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Burton substitute and in favor of full disclosure. > > The time has come that the American people know exactly what their Representatives are doing here in Washington. > > Are they feeding at the public trough , taking lobbyist paid vacations, getting wined and dined by special interest groups? Or are they working hard to represent their constituents? > > The people, the American people, have a right to know. > > Only the Burton substitute will let the American people decide what is appropriate activity and what is inappropriate activity for their Representatives. > > Let us not kid ourselves here today. We are beating ourselves on the heads to prove we are pure enough to deserve the people’s trust. Some Members are so distrustful of themselves and their colleagues, that they would rather we talk with no one in a casual setting, that we set up an artificial wall between us and the public . > > I say the best disinfectant is full disclosure, not complete isolation. We serve our constituents poorly if we believe that all Representatives are on the take and need to be taken away from the public , and we serve no one if we set up an ethics minefield that will only bring further dishonor to this House, for activities that most Americans do every day. > > Should it be unethical for a Member of Congress to eat dinner with a constituent? > > Why do we not let the people decide what is right and what is wrong? Why do we not just tell the people what gifts we get, through full disclosure, and stop this ridiculous charade of public virtue at the expense of common sense. > > The American people sent us here to represent them, not to hide every time they call to join them for dinner. Support full disclosure. Support the integrity of the House. Support the Burton substitute. Source: Rep. Tom DeLay, TX - Congressional Record, House of Representatives - November 16, 1995 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877/80 "2005-09-29T03:27:01Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > They had Coulter on to comment. What did she say? I don’t know, I don’t listen to her. Probably something like “Libruls bad, thank gawd for NeoCons. I killed a baby once after I walked past a poster for a Michael Moore movie (that fat fucking fuck) - what more proof do you need that Libruls are destroying the universe?” -Joe, paraphrasing [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-indicted/323877.md?page=5)