# Delta Flyer VS Millennium Falcon **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2001, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275 "2001-02-13T05:29:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2001, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/21 "2001-04-07T13:12:10Z")
I think one advantage the Delta flyer has is that it gives you Medallion segments every time you travel. I wonder how many light-years until you rise to the elite “Platinum” status? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2001, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/22 "2001-04-14T15:02:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bartman \* > \*\*You simply can’t compare the two universes. \*\* Actually, you can. An apple is a nonspherical object, typically in red, yellow, or green. An orange is a spherical object, and it’s orange. One usually removes the peel from an orange, but it is very common to consume the peel of the apple. Oranges grow in a more tropical climate, whereas apples can be grown in regions with a less consistent climate. See what I mean? 🙂 You can compare the two universes, just like you CAN compare apples and oranges. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2001, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/23 "2001-04-14T19:38:28Z")
The Flying Sub from Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea could kick their asses. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Brainlego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7993a0/32.png) [@Brainlego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainlego)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2001, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/24 "2001-04-14T21:58:56Z")
If I heard correctly, and I’m not betting my life on this, the Kessel run goes as this: The Kessel Sector is littered with a great number of closely spaced somethings-or-others (black holes? space debris?). I forgot exactly what it was that the Kessel sector had in it, but it was definitely something that you wouldn’t want to ram your ship into. Han Solo was saying that he found a way through the Kessel sector that was only 12 parsecs distance (remember: 1 parsec = 3.26 light-years.). If you ask me, the Falcon would win in a close-range engagement (in empty space), and the Flyer at a longer range. In an atmosphere, of course the Flyer would win (aerodynamics, mein freund, aerodynamics…). ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/25 "2001-04-15T00:50:20Z")
> [@](#): > > I forgot exactly what it was that the Kessel sector had in it, but it was definitely something that you wouldn’t want to ram your ship into. A Black Hole cluster. The “Kessel Run” was when you’d fly your ships closer to the black holes to avoid detection from Imperial ships (while smuggling Glitterstim, a form of spice/drug). A short “Kessel Run” meant you got close to the black holes… the closer you get, the faster you have to be going to avoid getting sucked in. > [@](#): > > In an atmosphere, of course the Flyer would win Most definitely. Unless there’s any form of turbulence, which would make the Flyer (or any Star Trek vessel, for that matter) crash instantly. 😃 (How many times has that been used as a plot device, anyway?) ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/26 "2001-04-15T04:07:26Z")
**Brainlego:** > [@](#): > > In an atmosphere, of course the Flyer would win (aerodynamics, mein freund, aerodynamics…) I say nay: Han Solo, mein freund, Han Solo… Let’s face it: Tom Paris isn’t qualified to even breathe the same air as Han Solo. _That’s_ the deciding factor. While Paris is reading sensors trying to analyze shield frequencies, Han would have already had his lunch money and have flown half-way home. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/27 "2001-04-15T06:33:58Z")
Gotta disagree with you, ExTank… the Falcon’s speed in atmosphere much more limited than the Flyer’s. In deep space, Han could always make a quick micro-jump if he needs to… in the atmosphere, he’s trapped. In addition, the Flyer could hover just beyond the horizon, and pop up briefly enough to throw a quick phaser blast. Of course, with Han behind the helm, he’ll be smart enough to know that he can’t outrun the Flyer in atmosphere, so he’ll head up into a high orbit post-haste. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/28 "2001-04-15T06:47:31Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s the deciding factor. While Paris is reading sensors trying to analyze shield frequencies, Han would have already had his lunch money and have flown half-way home. Exactly… and the reason he could only fly _half-way_ home is because his shitty hunk of space crap he calls a ship would have broken down and left him standed with no hyperspeed. At this point, Parris would meet up with him, board his ship, phaser whip him, beam all his supplies aboard, booty rape any Druish immigrants he was smuggling and get back to his ship. The- and this is the clincher- he flys _all the way_ home in a ship that is **not** made of galactic garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/29 "2001-04-15T06:59:20Z")
> [@](#): > > **Exactly… and the reason he could only fly half-way home is because his shitty hunk of space crap he calls a ship would have broken down and left him standed with no hyperspeed.** Well, that’s odd. In _Truce at Bakura_, Solo seemed to be able to fly the Falcon across the galaxy in a matter of weeks without a single problem. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/30 "2001-04-15T07:10:53Z")
… and I bet you bought that one in the _Fantasy_ section. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/31 "2001-04-15T07:41:15Z")
Actually, it was in the Science Fiction section with the rest of the Star Wars novels. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2001, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/32 "2001-04-15T09:55:39Z")
Mr. Nenno, I believe that you’re stereotyping the capabilites of the _Falcon_ based on a single incident. The reason Han had so much trouble with the hyperdrive in _The Empire Strikes Back_ was because he was in the middle of repairs when he had to evacuate. In _A New Hope_, the ship handled quite well, even after taking some damge from TIE Fighters. And in _Return of the Jedi_, it’s performance was exemplary and outstanding for a ship that supposedly “breaks down all the time”. She may not be able to outrun the _Flyer_ at sub-light speeds, but I think she’s a much tougher ship than you give 'er credit for. (I know… I’m WAAAAAAAY too nerdy in this post.) ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2001, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/33 "2001-04-19T17:39:25Z")
Bear\_Nenno wrote: > [@](#): > > the reason [Han Solo] could only fly _half-way_ home is because his shitty hunk of space crap he calls a ship would have broken down and left him standed with no hyperspeed. At this point, [Tom] Parris would meet up with him, board his ship, phaser whip him, beam all his supplies aboard, booty rape any Druish immigrants he was smuggling and get back to his ship. Funny, she doesn’t _look_ Druish. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2001, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/34 "2001-04-19T18:25:32Z")
SPOOFE Bo Diddly wrote: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Now, the “official” maps I’ve seen show the Federation as big - it sprawls over most of the Alpha Quadrant. So, it’s safe to figure we’re talking at least 10,000 light years here. > > It’s actually about one-fifth of that (2000 light years). **That’s** odd. According to the original Franz Josef _Star Fleet Technical Manual_ from 1975, the Federation is damn near perfectly circular in shape (as viewed from “above” the plane of the Milky Way galaxy) and stretches from the edge of the Milky Way damn near all the way to the outskirts of the central galactic bulge. That’s over **20,000** light years. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2001, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275/35 "2001-04-20T06:17:34Z")
Actually, I just double-checked… and we’re all wrong about the Federation’s size (admittedly, I was GROSSLY under the true size, so I apologize). [http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Industry/Industry1.html](http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Industry/Industry1.html) Right at the top of the page, it’s mentioned that the Federation is 8000 light-years across. I imagine this is the widest point (I doubt it’s a a perfect circle). However, it’s mentioned that there’re only 150 planets (note: it’s speculated that this number only refers to major planets, not small colonies), so while Federation space may be 8000 light-years wide, only a small fraction of the systems in that area are populated. I imagine this has something to do with the fact that the Federation’s been in existence only for a couple centuries… not enough time for much terraforming. In any case, it would take more than 8 years for a Federation ship to cross that distance… the entire premise of the _Voyager_ series relies on the fact that it’d take them 75 years to travel a 70,000 light-year distance. That can be roughly approximated to a 1:1 ration of “years of travel” to “thousands of light-years traveled”. In any case, I apologize for my error… I really have no idea where I got the 2000 lightyear guess from. Fused neurons in my brain, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delta-flyer-vs-millennium-falcon/54275.md?page=1)