# Demise of the Battle Bots **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 7, 2005, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526 "2005-01-07T05:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ccwaterback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@ccwaterback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ccwaterback)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/1 "2005-01-07T05:16:54Z")
Wasn’t Battle Bots a hot TV show a couple years ago? I never see them anymore. What happened? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/2 "2005-01-07T05:35:18Z")
It got cancelled. I loved Battle Bots. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![stuyguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@stuyguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stuyguy)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/3 "2005-01-07T07:43:36Z")
Reminds me of something I posted once before: Related story here: My white-haired old mother, whose TV watching habits are not what you’d call cutting edge, took a fancy to watching Weakest Link every night. WL, you will recall, was white-hot popular not too long ago. Its host, Ann Robinson, became an overnight star. Well, much to my mom’s disappointment, about two weeks ago WL was no longer in its usual time slot and she could not find it anymore. Don’t fret, I told her, I’ll do a web search to see where it’s gone. Well, WL has been banished to the 2:00 a.m. slot! How the mighty have fallen. ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/4 "2005-01-07T09:23:10Z")
I remember reading stories about some legal conflicts over who owned the rights to the name and concept of battle bots, both here and in the UK. Plus, I think there were conflicts between the participants and organizers in the USA. I liked the show, although I wish they had an unlimited class where there were no rules on weapons. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/5 "2005-01-07T10:55:15Z")
Are Battle Bots competitions still taking place, but without the show? Or were the competitions dependent on funding from the T.V. network? ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/6 "2005-01-07T11:06:49Z")
Is that like the show we had in the UK called Robot Wars? Nerdy types who’d spent months building sophisticated remote control robots watching in horror as the remote control jammed and their helpless creations were pounded flat in seconds by the “house robots”? That was fun. Cruel, but fun. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Clanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Small\_Clanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Clanger)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/7 "2005-01-07T11:28:37Z")
It looks like Robot Wars [is no more](http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=4465691) (go to the “news” tab). First abandoned(?) by the BBC and moved to Channel 5 and now dumped. I think it ran out of steam with the robots getting more generic (spinners, wedges, flippers. . .) and the show getting very samey. I’m guessing the same thing happened to the US version. > [@mks57](#): > > . . . I wish they had an unlimited class where there were no rules on weapons. Guns, missiles, nukes? ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/8 "2005-01-07T11:54:48Z")
> [@Small Clanger](#): > > Guns, missiles, nukes? I was thinking of shaped charges, projectile weapons, incendiary devices, electromagnetic pulse generators, corrosive chemicals, and bunkers for the judges and audience :). ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/9 "2005-01-07T12:54:24Z")
> [@mks57](#): > > I was thinking of shaped charges, projectile weapons, incendiary devices, electromagnetic pulse generators, corrosive chemicals, and bunkers for the judges and audience :). Add arc welder weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Bernard\_Marx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@Bernard\_Marx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bernard_Marx)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/10 "2005-01-07T12:54:46Z")
I saw one episode of Robot Wars (that was the one that was presented by “Lister” wasn’t it?). At first I thought that the robots were fully autonomous killing machines and I was v. impressed; this soon turned to disappointment when I saw that they were actually remotely controlled ---
**Author:** ![dec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@dec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dec)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/11 "2005-01-07T15:55:35Z")
Money is what killed the whole thing. I attended the original Robot Wars in San Francisco (don’t know if the British thing came first). There was no television coverage and first prize was something like $500. Many of the entries were from small children. People in the pits shared tools and duct tape. It was a damn good time for all involved. Then came TV and money and disputes over who ‘owned’ it and who owned the name. Name change, more TV, more infighting, another name change blah blah. Now that the money is gone, maybe they can hold it in a parking lot somewhere, break out the duct tape and have some good fun again. If they do, I’m there. ---
**Author:** ![Trigonal\_Planar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/0ea827/32.png) [@Trigonal\_Planar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trigonal_Planar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/12 "2005-01-07T16:08:09Z")
I hate to be a spoil sport but I hated the show. Love the idea, but hated the show. The robots the people submitted were crap. I’m not saying that they didn’t take a lot of work (and money), but a show called **Battle** Bots (or Robot **Wars** ) that declares a winner based on which remote control lasts the longest is really a let down. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/13 "2005-01-07T16:16:30Z")
Why does this thread title remind me of the death of Optimus Prime in _Transformers: The Motion Picture_ ? ---
**Author:** ![Papermache\_Prince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Papermache\_Prince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Papermache_Prince)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/14 "2005-01-07T16:20:24Z")
If you want autonomous robots, there’s still MIT and the [Autonomous Robot Competition](http://web.mit.edu/6.270/). If you’re in the Boston area, swing on by. Seeding Rounds Sunday, January 23, 2005, 10:00am, [Kresge Main](http://whereis.mit.edu/map-jpg?selection=W16) The first two rounds of the contest. Elimination Rounds Wednesday, January 26, 2005, 10:00am, Kresge Main The first two elimination rounds of the contest. Final Rounds Wednesday, January 26, 2005, 6:00pm, Kresge Main The final rounds of the contest. Robots will compete until a winner is decided. This event will be televised live on MIT Cable. No flame throwers allowed. ---
**Author:** ![ccwaterback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@ccwaterback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ccwaterback)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/15 "2005-01-07T17:31:28Z")
So it looks like the Battle Bots were defeated by the TV Lawyer Bots. The Battle Bots are still battling though: [http://www.battlebots.com/meet\_the\_robots3/meet\_results.asp?search=1&weight\_class=all&search\_string=&season4=1&season3=1&season2=1&season1=1&lv99=1&lb99=1&sort\_by=bot\_name&submit.x=31&submit.y=3](http://www.battlebots.com/meet_the_robots3/meet_results.asp?search=1&weight_class=all&search_string=&season4=1&season3=1&season2=1&season1=1&lv99=1&lb99=1&sort_by=bot_name&submit.x=31&submit.y=3) ---
**Author:** ![RevCo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@RevCo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RevCo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/16 "2005-01-07T17:50:43Z")
> [@Small Clanger](#): > > It looks like Robot Wars [is no more](http://www.five.tv/home/frameset/?content=4465691) (go to the “news” tab). First abandoned(?) by the BBC and moved to Channel 5 and now dumped. I think it ran out of steam with the robots getting more generic (spinners, wedges, flippers. . .) and the show getting very samey. I’m guessing the same thing happened to the US version. Yeah - the thing that killed that show for me was the lack of variation - the whole “playfield\*” never changed, so what worked for one robot worked for another. Also, there was not enough encouragement for improvisation and creativity. Seemed safe to have a plain, boring, flat robot thing or something winning every time. I recall that the ones that tried to be creative were ripped on by the guest/host when they eventually lost. That always pissed me off (but I get Battle Bots and Robot Wars confused.) Regarding fighting robots: I would have prefered to see a robot with a flamethrower or M-80’s firing, but that’s just me. Hell - they could have made the zone bulletproof, long term remote controls with no audience, put .22’s on the things and let 'em have at it. - I didn’t see close to every episode. ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/17 "2005-01-07T17:51:56Z")
IMHO, the Battle Bots fad burned out for the same reason most fads do: It quickly became both repetitious and boring. BattleBots distilled the competiton of the earlier “Robot Wars”–which included obstacle courses and some non-combat elements–into a series of repetitive 1-minute fights surrounded by 20 minutes of blathering commentary. As someone mentioned, most battles were inevitably decided by whose remote control lasted the longest. And as for the battles themselves, the blowouts were always the most spectacular and so most eye-catching, though by definition they didn’t last very long (I still remember one robot being tossed the length of the field in the first five seconds by his opponents saw). Even then, it was rare to see an opponent substantially damaged (the 'bot would usually just stop moving), much less utterly destroyed–c’mon, why else have a saw or flamethrower unless a robot can be split in two or incinerated? The longer fights were usually an exercise in defensiveness, until time mercifully expired and the match was decided by that bane of interesting competition, the judges (for this reason alone, that the result is determined solely by subjective judges, I do not consider such athletic events as figure skating or gymnastics to be sports). ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/18 "2005-01-07T19:00:06Z")
Gotta agree with RevCo. There was no incentive for people to build interesting robots. The show ended up with almost all the robots being those stupid flat wedge thingies. The wedges are really hard to damage because they have such a low profile, but they’re boring as hell. I remember one guy built this really cool giant spider kind of thing, but it got clobbered pretty quickly. And a lot of the contestants were basically building ram-rods. No weapons - all they can do is crash into the other robot. That gets old after awhile. Oh, and the commentators were borderline retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Fenestrarum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rex_fenestrarum/32/7265_2.png) [@Rex\_Fenestrarum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Fenestrarum)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/19 "2005-01-07T20:37:14Z")
And yet, _Trading Spaces_ is still on. Truly there’s no justice in this world. Rex _who watched three episodes of Battle Bots and got bored with it._ ---
**Author:** ![ccwaterback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@ccwaterback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ccwaterback)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526/20 "2005-01-07T20:47:30Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > Oh, and the commentators were borderline retarded. Probably true, but you have to admit Mick Foley is one crazy dude. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/demise-of-the-battle-bots/283526.md?page=2)