# Democracy is dead in Georgia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 9, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697 "2018-10-09T15:19:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/1 "2018-10-09T15:19:47Z")
> **[GOP’s Brian Kemp Purged 1 in 10 Georgia Voters: I’ve Got the Names](https://truthout.org/articles/gops-brian-kemp-purged-1-in-10-georgia-voters-ive-got-the-names/)** > > Stacey Abrams’ GOP opponent used his power as Secretary of State to purge 1 in 10 Georgia voters. Here's his hit list. Over 500,000 names removed from the rolls. Thousands of whom remain GA residents. > [@](#): > > Notably, Swedlund’s analysts found that 108,000 of the names on Kemp’s hit list were also on the notorious “Interstate Crosscheck” list, which my investigations team had obtained from an insider in Kemp’s office as part of my investigations for Rolling Stone. > > The lists were created for Georgia by Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, President Donald Trump’s “fraudulent voter hunter.” Kobach himself, interviewed in Kansas, told me the list was sent to Kemp and others to indicate a voter had moved out of state. In fact, we went through each and every Crosscheck-tagged voter’s name — and only 2,000 of the 108,000 Crosschecked voters who were purged have left the state. And the majority of others purged had not moved from their original registration address. In simple terms, most of those whose registrations have been cancelled are legitimate Georgia voters. Brian Kemp deserves jail time, as do all the people who worked with him on this project. Voting rights aren’t a game. They’re deadly serious, and infringing upon them should be treated as such. People will have voted, but assuming this prevents formerly registered voters from casting their vote, Kemp will not have been Democratically elected. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/2 "2018-10-09T15:41:29Z")
Meet the New Morality-If you can’t be stopped, it is morally right to do it. Accusations, admonitions, evidence etc. are not regarded at all as long as nothing literally stops you from doing it. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/3 "2018-10-09T16:21:27Z")
So, the devil _did_ go down to Georgia?! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/4 "2018-10-09T16:23:41Z")
I wonder what really happened. Not that an article written by the guy filing lawsuits isn’t above question in any particular, of course. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/5 "2018-10-09T16:26:49Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I wonder what really happened. > > Not that an article written by the guy filing lawsuits isn’t above question in any particular, of course. 🙂 > > Regards, > Shodan Thank you for that question. Got any more? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/6 "2018-10-09T16:27:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thank you for that question. > Got any more? Ha ha ha, oh my, ha ha ha! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/7 "2018-10-09T16:32:02Z")
Scumpup shows up one minute after I do-what a coincidence! Get a hobby, Staulky. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/8 "2018-10-09T16:32:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I wonder what really happened. Probably not. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/9 "2018-10-09T16:33:14Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I wonder what really happened. > > Not that an article written by the guy filing lawsuits isn’t above question in any particular, of course. 🙂 > > Regards, > Shodan Do you have any reason to doubt the story? ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/10 "2018-10-09T16:45:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I wonder what really happened. > > Not that an article written by the guy filing lawsuits isn’t above question in any particular, of course. 🙂 > > Regards, > Shodan The man did some reporting. He has a list of names removed from the rolls. He hired an outside analyst who found that thousands of them belong to people who are still residents of GA. He is subsequently taking the Secretary of State to court to get him to release records he won’t voluntarily release. Which part of this do you suggest he is lying about? ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/11 "2018-10-09T16:47:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Scumpup shows up one minute after I do-what a coincidence! > > Get a hobby, Staulky. Are we sure it wasn’t more like 3 seconds, like maybe your reply went out at 26 minutes and 58 seconds after the hour. He has a prefabricated response on his clipboard; he sees your post and a green light switch goes off in his brain after he’s been pressing F5 all morning, hits Reply With Quote, hits Ctrl+V, and sends it off 27:01 after the hour. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/12 "2018-10-09T16:52:16Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Are we sure it wasn’t more like 3 seconds, like maybe your reply went out at 26 minutes and 58 seconds after the hour. He has a prefabricated response on his clipboard; he sees your post and a green light switch goes off in his brain after he’s been pressing F5 all morning, hits Reply With Quote, hits Ctrl+V, and sends it off 27:01 after the hour. It was about as substantial as his other generic attacks, so you might be right…and that’s about as much thought as I want to waste on him, so back to the topic at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/13 "2018-10-09T16:53:41Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Which part of this do you suggest he is lying about? **Shodan** is Just Asking Questions. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/14 "2018-10-09T16:59:10Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Brian Kemp deserves jail time, as do all the people who worked with him on this project. > > Voting rights aren’t a game. They’re deadly serious, and infringing upon them should be treated as such. I agree (assuming he’s actually done what he’s accused of, which I don’t know for sure but have no clear reason to doubt). And yes, of course I’d still agree no matter which party was doing something like this. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/15 "2018-10-09T17:04:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I wonder what really happened. > > Not that an article written by the guy filing lawsuits isn’t above question in any particular, of course. 🙂 > > Regards, > Shodan > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thank you for that question. > Got any more? “I wonder what really happened” is a declarative statement, not a question. Thus has your retort been refuted. Also, [my hair is a bird.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/061/297/nickcage.jpeg) :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/16 "2018-10-09T17:13:59Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I wonder what really happened. > > Not that an article written by the guy filing lawsuits isn’t above question in any particular, of course. 🙂 > > Regards, > Shodan Right, because when governments won’t release information they’re legally required to, a good reporter just shrugs his shoulders and does a story on puppies. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/17 "2018-10-09T17:21:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Scumpup shows up one minute after I do-what a coincidence! > > Get a hobby, Staulky. Whereas it took you a full three minutes after me. I guess **Scumpup** likes you three times better than you like me. I can’t say I’m jealous, but still. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/18 "2018-10-09T17:26:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Whereas it took you a full three minutes after me. I guess **Scumpup** likes you three times better than you like me. > > I can’t say I’m jealous, but still. > > Regards, > Shodan The difference is that I am here to talk about the OP. Speaking of which, why do you doubt the initial story? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/19 "2018-10-09T17:29:00Z")
We had a thread not too long about voters being purged if they didn’t vote in the last one or two elections. This seems to be fairly common (not just Georgia, but other states, too). [Here’s an article about Georgia:](https://politics.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/supreme-court-allows-voter-purges-states-like-georgia/TJZqgnWEAWOBvUMdB9eDOP/) > [@](#): > > Georgia and other states can target people who haven’t cast ballots in a while in efforts to purge their voting rolls, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday in an Ohio case that has drawn wide attention amid stark partisan divisions and the approach of the 2018 elections. Is this an example of that policy? If so, there is a chance that what is being done is legal. It wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case, but it’s hard to tell for sure from the OP’s article. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697/20 "2018-10-09T17:39:29Z")
It is a [combination](https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/10/09/us/ap-us-election-2018-georgia-governor-voter-registration.html)of purging infrequent voters and purging people with trivial differences between their registration and their ID documents, such as a dropped hyphen in one’s last name. It is bullshit, and more evidence that our country is in a cold civil war. The GOP seems to be happy with that, as they have the upper hand. We’ll see how long that lasts. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democracy-is-dead-in-georgia/822697.md?page=2)