# Democrat Obstructionism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455 "2015-02-23T23:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/221 "2015-02-25T17:07:35Z")
You have a fascinating definition of “open borders.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/222 "2015-02-25T17:15:02Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > Um. Yeah, that’s what we have now. [It’s as good as it’s going to get.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18142031&highlight=border#post18142031) ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/223 "2015-02-25T17:35:42Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [It’s as good as it’s going to get.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18142031&highlight=border#post18142031) Fuck that attitude. I can think of a way to get it better than it is now. CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER@! Oh no no no, see we’ve done all we can. Nothing else can be done. _taps cellphone_ _spies on American citizens_ _searches four-year-old for suspicion of terrorism_ _collects data on citizens’ whereabouts through electronic monitoring of license plates_ Nope. Nothing. I’m not accepting apologist excuses made by a propaganda organization like the AP. Fuck them, I trust them about as much as I trust a monkey with a gun (not the doper) 😉 . ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/224 "2015-02-25T17:42:02Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You have a fascinating definition of “open borders.” Some people say I’m a fascinating guy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/225 "2015-02-25T17:50:11Z")
You want to close the border to our third largest foreign trading partner? ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/226 "2015-02-25T18:03:19Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > Fuck that attitude. > > I can think of a way to get it better than it is now. CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER@! > > Oh no no no, see we’ve done all we can. Nothing else can be done. _taps cellphone_ _spies on American citizens_ _searches four-year-old for suspicion of terrorism_ _collects data on citizens’ whereabouts through electronic monitoring of license plates_ Nope. Nothing. > > I’m not accepting apologist excuses made by a propaganda organization like the AP. Fuck them, I trust them about as much as I trust a monkey with a gun (not the doper) 😉 . Is that just the southern border or the northern one too? If both, pray tell, how do you plan on manning 7,500 miles of border? How much do you think that will cost? Will they just stop using the land border and sail in as from Cuba? There’s a saying, “Show me a 10’ wall and I’ll show you an 11’ ladder.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/227 "2015-02-25T18:04:40Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > I can think of a way to get it better than it is now. CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER@! Shall we build a wall? I know these guys in Europe who have some experience and have been hurting for work the past 25 years or so. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/228 "2015-02-25T18:11:49Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > Fuck that attitude. > > I can think of a way to get it better than it is now. CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER@! Cripes. You’re even stupider than **D’Anconia**. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/229 "2015-02-25T18:34:01Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > I’m not accepting apologist excuses made by a propaganda organization like the AP. Fuck them, I trust them about as much as I trust a monkey with a gun (not the doper) 😉 . Wait a minute. Associated Press, in your view, is a “propaganda organization”? [Quote=Colibri] Cripes. You’re even stupider than D’Anconia. [/Quote] Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/230 "2015-02-25T19:05:19Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Wait a minute. Associated Press, in your view, is a “propaganda organization”? Propaganda is the propagation of a set of ideas. The AP is most definitely a pro-establishment, inside the Beltway, one of the old boys, when reporting on matters DC. When it comes to national matters, AP is a mouthpiece, not a neutral source. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/231 "2015-02-25T19:38:57Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > Fuck that attitude. > > I can think of a way to get it better than it is now. CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER@! I’m genuinely curious as to how that would be accomplished. If ‘the border’ was a single set of swinging doors like an olde timey saloon, it wouldn’t be a problem. Since that’s not the case, your comment is just stupidity on a stick. Unless we’re being whooshed, of course. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/232 "2015-02-25T19:51:53Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > I can think of a way to get it better than it is now. CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER@! > [@Chefguy](#): > > I’m genuinely curious as to how that would be accomplished. We’re going to need a bigger moat. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/233 "2015-02-25T19:57:07Z")
Meh. They can swim. Need a dome, too. At what point do \*we \*suffer, friend? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/234 "2015-02-25T20:10:14Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > Some people say I’m a fascinating guy. Are those people clinical psychologists? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/235 "2015-02-25T20:19:26Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > Fuck that attitude. > > I can think of a way to get it better than it is now. CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER@! > > . There are too many people who are looking to better their lot by crossing over and too much corporate profit to be lost by shutting the border. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/236 "2015-02-25T20:30:22Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > I’m not accepting apologist excuses made by a propaganda organization like the AP. . . . Eh? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/237 "2015-02-25T20:31:28Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Propaganda is the propagation of a set of ideas. The AP is most definitely a pro-establishment, inside the Beltway, one of the old boys, when reporting on matters DC. When it comes to national matters, AP is a mouthpiece, not a neutral source. Whose mouthpiece? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/238 "2015-02-25T23:38:02Z")
So the Senate is moving a clean bill through tomorrow morning. I can’t wait to hear how the House mucking it up is still Democratic obstruction. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/239 "2015-02-26T00:05:46Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Unfortunately, I heard that something like 80% of all DHS employees are considered essential, so even if they’re shut down the TSA and Border Patrol will continue to operate. So will ICE, the Secret Service, and the Coast Guard. All of those folks will have to work without pay, even the ones we like, and the shutdown will only affect poor office schlubs who we probably have no beef with. For what it’s worth, my EMT certification(s) - and recertifications - are administered through the DHS. Indiana DHS handles my Indiana certifications, and my national registry is administered through the national office. > [@Chefguy](#): > > I’m genuinely curious as to how that would be accomplished. If ‘the border’ was a single set of swinging doors like an olde timey saloon, it wouldn’t be a problem. Since that’s not the case, your comment is just stupidity on a stick. Unless we’re being whooshed, of course. I’ve solved the immigration problem. Make Mexico a state. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/240 "2015-02-26T00:32:25Z")
All you’ve done there is push the immigration issues further away while making them worse - you replaced ~3000 km of land border with 10,000 km of unsecured shoreline. Oh, and Mexico doesn’t necessarily _want_ to be the a state, so you probably started a war. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=13)