# Democrat Obstructionism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455 "2015-02-23T23:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/361 "2015-03-02T18:18:56Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you have a reliable cite for that quote? TPM doesn’t cut it. Do you have any evidence that TPM isn’t a reliable source? Because a **D’Anconia** claim to that effect doesn’t cut it. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/362 "2015-03-02T18:20:46Z")
And while we’re on the subject of obstructionism,[Steve Benen put together a handy little chart](http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/where-congress-excels-manufactured-crises#break) this morning: > [@](#): > > since January 2011, Congress has excelled in one area: manufacturing avoidable crises. If there’s one thing a GOP majority has guaranteed, it’s that the nation’s legislative branch will careen, over and over again, from one self-imposed crisis to the next. > > - April 2011: House Republicans threaten a government shutdown unless Democrats accept GOP demands on spending cuts. > > - July 2011: Republicans create the first-ever debt-ceiling crisis, threatening to default on the nation’s debts unless Democrats accept GOP demands on spending cuts. > > - September 2011: Republicans threaten another shutdown. > > - April 2012: Republicans threaten another shutdown. > > - December 2012: Republicans spend months refusing to negotiate in the lead up to the so-called “fiscal cliff.” > > - January 2013: Republicans raise the specter of another debt-ceiling crisis. > > - September 2013: Republicans threaten another shutdown. > > - October 2013: Republicans actually shut down the government. > > - February 2014: Republicans raise the specter of another debt-ceiling crisis. > > - December 2014: Republicans threaten another shutdown. > > - February 2015: Republicans threaten a Department of Homeland Security shutdown. Yep, that’s Democratic obstructionism for you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/363 "2015-03-02T18:39:02Z")
Takes two to tango. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/364 "2015-03-02T18:39:35Z")
Even Bobby Jindal says the Republicans have to stop being the [Stupid Party.](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/01/25/jindal_republicans_must_stop_being_the_stupid_party_116797.html) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/365 "2015-03-02T19:00:09Z")
That was in 2013, and Jindal seems to have been talking more about Rape Year than obstructionism. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/366 "2015-03-02T19:06:13Z")
That was intended as an example of Republican leaders knowing their party is acting stupid, and being helpless to stop it. There were 50 or so Republican Congressmen who wouldn’t vote for a clean bill to fund DHS for a single week. Democratic votes prevented the Republican crazies from having a shutdown of border security occur already. The Fuck Obama vote (or at least the first one on the subject, considering that there have been more than 50 about ACA already) to try to keep him from stopping deportations (Huh? Yes) is coming _anyway_, just as its own clean up-or-down bill. \*Who \*are the obstructionists? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/367 "2015-03-02T20:45:23Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Even Bobby Jindal says the Republicans have to stop being the [Stupid Party.](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/01/25/jindal_republicans_must_stop_being_the_stupid_party_116797.html) Yes, but since then he has started worrying and has learned to love the Stupid. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/368 "2015-03-02T22:03:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Takes two to tango. Nobody’s doing the tango. In this case, it takes one party to shut down the government, the party that refuses to vote for funding the government unless it gets 100% of its demands met. Your attitude speaks of an ill-informed voter who has swallowed the GOP’s tripe over and over again. All you can do is express platitudes like “both sides do it” because you think it absolves you from actually having to understand the issues and make an informed decision The chart’s pretty clear, having lived through these manufactured crises. The GOP are the only ones who obstruct, the Dems are the only adults in the room ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/369 "2015-03-02T22:57:53Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Nobody’s doing the tango. In this case, it takes one party to shut down the government, the party that refuses to vote for funding the government unless it gets 100% of its demands met. That is, Democrats. You know, the ones that even refuse to go to conference with the bill because they want it 100% their way. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/370 "2015-03-02T23:01:24Z")
Here’s some orange juice. By the way, I pissed in it. Why aren’t you drinking it? You’re such an obstructionist! Everything has to be 100% your way! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/371 "2015-03-02T23:20:01Z")
So, Bonehead cuts a deal with Granny Pelosi to pass the one week desperation extension with the promise that a “clean bill will” be offered next week. She says. He says he did not have political bargaining with that woman, Ms. Pelosi. Somebody’s lying. Place your bets. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/372 "2015-03-02T23:26:55Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > That is, Democrats. You know, the ones that even refuse to go to conference with the bill because they want it 100% their way. They already passed a bipartisan bill to fund DHS through September, that Boehner won’t schedule for a vote. This is all on the Pub’s back. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/373 "2015-03-02T23:37:06Z")
Just because Bonehead won’t allow a vote doesn’t mean he’s obstructing it, he just won’t let it happen! _Totally_ different! ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/374 "2015-03-03T00:34:10Z")
Is Pelosi still in Congress!?!? She’s the kind of frightful, screachy dimwit that keeps us conservotards up at night. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/375 "2015-03-03T00:46:44Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Is Pelosi still in Congress!?!? > > She’s the kind of frightful, screachy dimwit that keeps us conservotards up at night. If she’s a dimwit, Boehner is a drooling retard. She was orders of magnitude better than him as speaker. You may not like her, but she is competent at a very difficult job. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/376 "2015-03-03T04:04:44Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Do you have any evidence that TPM isn’t a reliable source? Mark Kirk is my Senator. Do you have a non-partisan cite that he actually said what TPM claimed he did? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/377 "2015-03-03T04:38:28Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Mark Kirk is my Senator. Do you have a non-partisan cite that he actually said what TPM claimed he did? NPR [good enough?](http://www.npr.org/2015/02/27/389454348/house-senate-divided-over-homeland-security-funding) ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/378 "2015-03-03T04:42:33Z")
Nobody cares what you think Terr, you’ve been shown to be immune to reason. In fact, the opposite of whatever you say more likely the truth. Please don’t reply to me anymore, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/379 "2015-03-03T04:45:33Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Mark Kirk is my Senator. Do you have a non-partisan cite that he actually said what TPM claimed he did? So, I guess you got owned. Your senator SAID IT. ah, I love it. I’m loooving gloating. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/380 "2015-03-03T04:46:58Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Nobody cares what you think Terr, you’ve been shown to be immune to reason. In fact, the opposite of whatever you say more likely the truth. Please don’t reply to me anymore, thanks. If it helps, he got suspended for…being wrong too much, I think it was. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=20)