# Democrat Obstructionism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455 "2015-02-23T23:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/41 "2015-02-24T01:50:17Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Slow down some. That’s not how it works. Mods don’t respond to things immediately. Also, now that it’s in the Pit, he’s less likely to see your post. You can send him a PM, but even then, a mod can take up to a day or so to get back to you. Also, no one gives a fuck about a thread where some loon - who can’t even properly identify the party he’s railing about - is doing nothing more than regurgitating Boehner’s talking points. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/42 "2015-02-24T01:57:14Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > This is a disheartening trend. Moving threads to the Pit, where people can insult you, rather than focusing on the issues at hand. ☹ You can’t possibly be serious. Your OP was trolling, not an attempt to create a genuine debate. There might be a debate here, but leaving out the entire context of the DHS funding votes makes your aim pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/43 "2015-02-24T02:04:00Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > It’s a superfluous Orwellian monstrosity created in the irrational, hysterical aftermath of 9/11 and may well be the totalitarian force that once and for all squashes the spirit of individualism amidst the foregone notion of limited government. > > We’ll see in about 50 years. Jesus, I wish there was a ‘like’ button I could use here. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/44 "2015-02-24T02:04:08Z")
They have voted four times against funding the DHS. Is that obstruction, or not? That’s the debate. The House passed a bill. The Senate Democrats won’t even allow it to come to a vote. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/45 "2015-02-24T02:04:57Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > It’s a superfluous Orwellian monstrosity created in the irrational, hysterical aftermath of 9/11 and may well be the totalitarian force that once and for all squashes the spirit of individualism amidst the foregone notion of limited government. > > We’ll see in about 50 years. When the fuck did you start making sense? ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/46 "2015-02-24T02:06:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, it’s the Democrat Party, as long as posters like iiandyiii gets to redefine words to his liking. Ok. Then you won’t mind my referring to you as **D’Analwort**. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/47 "2015-02-24T02:06:51Z")
Technically, yes. Any time someone votes against something, he is obstructing it. This is why complaints about Democratic or Republican “obstructionism” over the past few years is largely nonsensical. Anytime a bill does not pass unanimously, it means someone tried to “obstruct” it. ---
**Author:** ![get\_lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@get\_lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/get_lives)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/48 "2015-02-24T02:07:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You can’t possibly be serious. Your OP was trolling, not an attempt to create a genuine debate. There might be a debate here, but leaving out the entire context of the DHS funding votes makes your aim pretty clear. Wait… D’Anconia trolls, and you’re SURPRISED? Shit, I haven’t seen a sincere post out of him YET. He trolls so hard that he has to hire a crew to demolish the bridges that spontaneously form above his house. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/49 "2015-02-24T02:09:03Z")
Have conservatives suddenly decided obstructing is a bad thing? Too late. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/50 "2015-02-24T02:11:05Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > They have voted four times against funding the DHS. Is that obstruction, or not? That’s the debate. > > The House passed a bill. The Senate Democrats won’t even allow it to come to a vote. Why don’t you tell us whether you think it is or not and why? Please be sure to include the specific reason(s) that the Democrats oppose the spending bill, which as we all know must originate in the [Republican controlled] House. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/51 "2015-02-24T02:15:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Why don’t you tell us whether you think it is or not and why? Please be sure to include the specific reason(s) that the Democrats oppose the spending bill, which as we all know must originate in the [Republican controlled] House. It’s obstruction that literally all of the Democrats won’t bring it up for an up and down vote. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/52 "2015-02-24T02:18:22Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Have conservatives suddenly decided obstructing is a bad thing? Have liberals suddenly decided it’s terrific? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/53 "2015-02-24T02:19:16Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, it’s the Democrat Party You are wrong. It’s officially been the Democratic Party since 1844. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/54 "2015-02-24T02:23:51Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Have liberals suddenly decided it’s terrific? Actually, it’s not all that sudden. The Senate has had more debate on amendments in one day than Reid allowed all of last year. Obstruction. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/55 "2015-02-24T02:24:52Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s obstruction that literally all of the Democrats won’t bring it up for an up and down vote. > > Why is that? The Republicans put language in the bill that would cut off funding for President Obama’s immigration executive orders. If the Democrats let it get to an up or down vote, the bill will pass and go to the President, which will force him to either sign it, thereby blocking his executive order, or veto it, which will look bad and let people say he’s weak on national security. The Senate Democrats don’t want to put the President in that sort of position, so they’re blocking the bill from coming to a vote. McConnell just announced that he would separate out the funding from the executive order block, so that might get the homeland security funding passed. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/56 "2015-02-24T02:28:30Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > McConnell just announced that he would separate out the funding from the executive order block, so that might get the homeland security funding passed. Do you have a link for this, because I would like to read it. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/57 "2015-02-24T02:41:59Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you have a link for this, because I would like to read it. [Here ya go](http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/mitch-mcconnell-looks-to-trap-democrats-with-a-standalone-immigration-bill-20150223). It’s horseshit, all of it. But the Democrats aren’t obstructing anything, yet. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/58 "2015-02-24T02:50:04Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > [Here ya go](http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/mitch-mcconnell-looks-to-trap-democrats-with-a-standalone-immigration-bill-20150223). People on both sides of the aisle have reasons to disagree with McConnell. But this move is brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/59 "2015-02-24T02:59:27Z")
D’Anconia, this is the second thread like this you’ve started in the last few hours. If you’re going to post in Great Debates, you need to bring a real debate to the initial post. I’m moving this over to the Pit again but - again - it’s just a short rant. If you launch another thread in Great Debates like this you’ll be warned. ETA: Heck, I’m even merging the two threads. They’re nearly identical. Don’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/60 "2015-02-24T03:03:05Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > D’Anconia, this is the second thread like this you’ve started in the last few hours. > > If you’re going to post in Great Debates, you need to bring a real debate to the initial post. > > I’m moving this over to the Pit again but - again - it’s just a short rant. If you launch another thread in Great Debates like this you’ll be warned. > > ETA: Heck, I’m even merging the two threads. They’re nearly identical. > > Don’t do it again. I won’t. But why don’t you shut down BG’s drive by links that don’t contain actual debates? Is there some sort of bias going on, here? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=4)