# Democrat Obstructionism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455 "2015-02-23T23:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/101 "2015-02-24T15:51:23Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Some are, some aren’t. I’m both SDSAB and a moderator. **Bricker** is SDSAB but not a moderator. > > Links? > > I don’t think you have any idea what SDSAB means. Straight Dope Science Advisory Board. Links: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18154016&postcount=248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18154016&postcount=248) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18115084&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18115084&postcount=2) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/102 "2015-02-24T15:53:07Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The agency needs funding. The Democrat party is filibustering. That’s obstruction. If the new Senate majority scraps the filibuster rule entirely, I will rejoice. But so long as it is there, there is no reason for the minority party to unilaterally disarm. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/103 "2015-02-24T15:55:10Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > It’s a superfluous Orwellian monstrosity created in the irrational, hysterical aftermath of 9/11 and may well be the totalitarian force that once and for all squashes the spirit of individualism amidst the foregone notion of limited government. > > We’ll see in about 50 years. The DHS is nothing more than central management for several agencies that already existed before 9/11, under different departments. Its creation was only a reorganization. That does not mean it is not dangerous, but we must keep it in its proper perspective. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/104 "2015-02-24T15:57:00Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > This is a disheartening trend. Moving threads to the Pit, where people can insult you, rather than focusing on the issues at hand. ☹ [shrug] It’s happened to all of us. If you want a thread to stay in GD, you need to craft the OP better. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/105 "2015-02-24T16:03:37Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18154016&postcount=248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18154016&postcount=248) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18115084&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18115084&postcount=2) Your first is an attempt by a poster to keep the discussion on topic. It may be junior modding, it may not be; it is not official. You can always report the post, and let the mods handle it. Your second is **Cecil** ’s right hand when it comes to the Straight Dope columns, and in that case **Una** is speaking for the Straight Dope. Not, mind you, the Straight Dope Message Board. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/106 "2015-02-24T16:04:07Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, BG didn’t. But others are overstepping the boundaries. IMHO. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18155979&postcount=251](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18155979&postcount=251) > > And Una Persson, who recently signed a post “For the Straight Dope”. > > There was a thread, not more than a week or two ago, where it was stated that SDSAB doesn’t grant special powers. > > Why are Elendil and Una acting otherwise? [shrug] Take it to ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/107 "2015-02-24T16:05:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [shrug] It’s happened to all of us. If you want a thread to stay in GD, you need to craft the OP better. Yes, that makes sense. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/108 "2015-02-24T16:45:56Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > If the new Senate majority scraps the filibuster rule entirely, I will rejoice. But so long as it is there, there is no reason for the minority party to unilaterally disarm. I agree. It’s perfectly appropriate to feel a rule is unwise, but use it to full advantage as long as it exists. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/109 "2015-02-24T16:55:48Z")
50 years? Dunno. Reminded of something Michael Caine said a while back, that he had to stop calling himself “middle aged” since he didn’t actually know anybody who was 120 years old… ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/110 "2015-02-24T17:05:53Z")
Democrats don’t obstruct. All fault lies in the GOP to try and tie Obama’s immigration plan to the DHS. The GOP should drop their opposition to Obama’s plan. It is a good, moral plan that will make the country stronger. Why do the GOP hate America that much that they’d purposefully weaken it by playing politics? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/111 "2015-02-24T17:16:46Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Democrats don’t obstruct. Yes, they do. Look, a President, any President, doesn’t get to enact his personal agenda by fiat. It takes agreement from both parts of Congress. The House passed the bill. The Democrat Senators are filibustering, even not letting the bill come up for a vote. That’s obstruction. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/112 "2015-02-24T17:29:16Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Straight Dope Science Advisory Board. Ok, you know what the initials stand for. But it’s clear at this point you don’t understand what it actually means in terms of status or authority on the message board. > [@](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18154016&postcount=248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18154016&postcount=248) Looks to me like a polite request to end a hijack rather than a moderator instruction. That could have come from anyone, not just an SDSAB member. If it had been a moderator instruction, it would have been labeled as such. > [@](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18115084&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18115084&postcount=2) As has been pointed out, **Una** was speaking on behalf of the Straight Dope column, not the Message Board. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/113 "2015-02-24T17:46:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, they do. Look, a President, any President, doesn’t get to enact his personal agenda by fiat. It takes agreement from both parts of Congress. The House passed the bill. The Democrat Senators are filibustering, even not letting the bill come up for a vote. That’s obstruction. It’s only obstruction_ism_ if they filibuster Boehner/McConnell’s entire agenda. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/114 "2015-02-24T17:46:51Z")
**D’Anconia,** you are not only the most dishonestly disingenuous but the **whiniest** troll we have seen here in years. As if [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18155072#post18155072) bullshit were not enough, you had to take it [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=750055). ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/115 "2015-02-24T17:48:02Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Despite the political rhetoric, Democrats are just as willing as Republicans to obstruct something they don’t like. Look at Keystone XL, for instance. The key phrase is “something they don’t like.” I don’t have a problem with either party filibustering the occasional other party’s bill that they detest more than most. That’s just politics. The problem AFAIAC is when one party blocks everything pretty much across the board. That’s obstruction **ism** , obstruction as one’s standard approach. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/116 "2015-02-24T17:48:34Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, they do. Look, a President, any President, doesn’t get to enact his personal agenda by fiat. It takes agreement from both parts of Congress. Well, not always, there are many things a POTUS can do on his own authority without consulting Congress, as you know. That covers **most** things a POTUS does, actually. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/117 "2015-02-24T18:03:51Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Oh, you poor oppressed thing. You must be a conservative Christian. Given that D’Anconia is the name of a minor character from _Atlas Shrugged_, I think we can blame the ghost of Ayn Rand for this bozo, and not the Holy Ghost. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/118 "2015-02-24T18:19:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, not always, there are many things a POTUS can do on his own authority without consulting Congress, as you know. That covers **most** things a POTUS does, actually. What about all of the times he’s been overruled by the Supreme Court, 9-0? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/119 "2015-02-24T18:22:24Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What about all of the times he’s been overruled by the Supreme Court, 9-0? If it was given that Obama is in the wrong constitutionally regarding his executive order on immigration, why not fund Homeland Security (ugh, still HATE that name, sounds like the Reichmaster thought it up) and let the Supreme Court rule 9-0 against him? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/120 "2015-02-24T18:22:57Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What about all of the times he’s been overruled by the Supreme Court, 9-0? > **[GOP leader: Supreme Court has ruled 13 times that Obama exceeded his...](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/jun/29/bob-goodlatte/gop-leader-supreme-court-has-ruled-13-times-obama-/)** > > President Barack Obama received a strong rebuke from the Supreme Court last week for his attempt to make appointments wh You really are a simpleton, aren’t you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=7)