# Democrat Obstructionism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455 "2015-02-23T23:01:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/161 "2015-02-25T01:11:44Z")
> [@andros](#): > > So…Grover only wanted to drown it in a bathtub _a little_? Hate to be the one to break it to you, but he was being metaphorical. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/162 "2015-02-25T01:11:53Z")
I’m glad this thread is here, because I’ve been wanting to tell **D’Anconia** what a dishonest moron he is for awhile, but I couldn’t be arsed to start a thread to do it. Dumbshit’s vehicle has no reverse gear; no matter how idiotic the argument he makes, he never backs down from it an iota. It’d be maddening if there were any reason to take him seriously. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/163 "2015-02-25T01:19:43Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Hate to be the one to break it to you, but he was being metaphorical. Is that what we are calling treason and dishonesty these days? Good to know. Conservatives are so metaphorical. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/164 "2015-02-25T01:21:28Z")
To get this thread back on . . . “topic” seems too strong a word . . . well, anyway, [here’s](http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/gops_mortifying_shutdown_cave_mitch_readies_surrender_on_dhs_funding/) an article speculating on how McConnell is going to spin the separation of the deportation riders from the DHS funding bill without admitting he simply caved. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/165 "2015-02-25T02:09:41Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Was the Obama Administration legally obligated to defend the Bush Administration’s position? They stopped defending the DOMA, from the Clinton Administration, after all. No, I suppose they were not legally obligated to continue. But neither did they originate the policy, which was (in my reading) the implication of your criticism. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/166 "2015-02-25T02:30:25Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I did. 1 and google the rest is rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/167 "2015-02-25T03:16:10Z")
Thank you, \*\* D’Anconia \*\*! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/168 "2015-02-25T03:25:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, I suppose they were not legally obligated to continue. But neither did they originate the policy, which was (in my reading) the implication of your criticism. And it really is a useful custom for a new administration to continue defending a lawsuit. It’s all about continuity. Nobody wants a new administration to flush everything down the toilet the minute it gets in office. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/169 "2015-02-25T03:37:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > And it really is a useful custom for a new administration to continue defending a lawsuit. It’s all about continuity. Nobody wants a new administration to flush everything down the toilet the minute it gets in office. Yes, I’m sure there are circumstances where the new administration would drop or give up on a lawsuit from the old one, but that would require some serious public-policy differences be involved. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/170 "2015-02-25T03:50:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, I suppose they were not legally obligated to continue. But neither did they originate the policy, which was (in my reading) the implication of your criticism. No, they didn’t originate the policy, and that was not my implication. If the Obama Administration didn’t agree with the policy, why did they go before the SCOTUS to defend it? As you said, they didn’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/171 "2015-02-25T03:58:32Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, they didn’t originate the policy, and that was not my implication. You agree, then, that the Bush administration’s policy that was repudiated by the decision was clearly wrong? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/172 "2015-02-25T04:04:16Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > You agree, then, that the Bush administration’s policy that was repudiated by the decision was clearly wrong? Yes, clearly. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/173 "2015-02-25T04:14:13Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > And it really is a useful custom for a new administration to continue defending a lawsuit. It’s all about continuity. Nobody wants a new administration to flush everything down the toilet the minute it gets in office. One of the first things the Republicans do when they get the executive branch is stop any corporate lawsuits and anti-trust policies and SEC oversight. Reagan dumped most of Carter’s energy policies like they were radioactive turds with ebola. This including ripping out a solar energy demonstration system on the roof of the White House. Democrats used to start voting rights lawsuits a few days after taking over. The right wingers are just a whole lot more metaphorical than liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/174 "2015-02-25T04:40:42Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > They have voted four times against funding the DHS. Is that obstruction, or not? That’s the debate. > > The House passed a bill. The Senate Democrats won’t even allow it to come to a vote. You’re either being deliberately obtuse, or willfully ignorant. Have you read the responses to your nonsense? Do you understand that bill riders that go against administrative policy will result in the defeat of that bill or the eventual veto of same? Remove the rider and it will sail through; McConnell has admitted as much and intends to try to introduce a ‘clean’ bill that will pass. Christ. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/175 "2015-02-25T04:59:33Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Do you understand that bill riders that go against administrative policy will result in the defeat of that bill or the eventual veto of same? Remove the rider and it will sail through; McConnell has admitted as much and intends to try to introduce a ‘clean’ bill that will pass. Why the sudden love of “administrative policy”? I’m quite sure you didn’t agree with it from 2001-2009. Even if McConell introduces a clean bill, so what? It’s not likely to pass in the House. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/176 "2015-02-25T05:08:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why the sudden love of “administrative policy”? I’m quite sure you didn’t agree with it from 2001-2009. > > Even if McConell introduces a clean bill, so what? It’s not likely to pass in the House. Because the House wants to hold the DHS hostage, so they can placate the racists that make up the GOP base. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/177 "2015-02-25T05:11:30Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, they didn’t originate the policy, and that was not my implication. > > If the Obama Administration didn’t agree with the policy, why did they go before the SCOTUS to defend it? As you said, they didn’t have to. Let’s be clear. You had no idea they weren’t behind the policy, because you’re an empty vessel that does nothing more than echo what you hear on the RW media. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/178 "2015-02-25T05:12:48Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Because the House wants to hold the DHS hostage, so they can placate the racists that make up the GOP base. Opposing the Administration is not racist, moron. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/179 "2015-02-25T05:17:47Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Opposing the Administration is not racist, moron. You don’t have to sign your posts. Also, they want to kill immigration reform, because the people you vote for want Mexicans and other brown folk to suffer. So, that’s why they’re racist. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455/180 "2015-02-25T05:18:26Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Let’s be clear. You had no idea they weren’t behind the policy, because you’re an empty vessel that does nothing more than echo what you hear on the RW media. Of course I did. And I don’t listen to RW media. Funny how you don’t comment when Glutton quotes liberal media for the umpteenth time. IOW, you don’t know what you’re talking about, so just shut up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-obstructionism/713455.md?page=10)